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Old 11-11-2013, 07:24 AM - Thread Starter
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I am contemplating getting a pair of tempest 12" + 15" dayton subs for my basement. The look ok and I understand the sound is very good, but are these more directed towards cinema usage, or would they be good at playing Sarah McLachlan and softer music that has great demands when it comes to lack of box-resonances and shoutiness? Are they truly on par with very good high-end Hifi-speakers?

Answers are greatly appreciated.
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Old 11-11-2013, 12:05 PM - Thread Starter
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You'll honestly have never heard a better speaker in your life.

Not only are they on par, they beat them handily. It only gets better with movies.
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You'll honestly have never heard a better speaker in your life.

Not only are they on par, they beat them handily. It only gets better with movies.

+1 Love the over all clarity of the SEOS designs. Instruments sound like you are standing in front of them.
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They are super clear and detailed with music. Not to mention easy to drive.
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I am contemplating getting a pair of tempest 12" + 15" dayton subs for my basement. The look ok and I understand the sound is very good, but are these more directed towards cinema usage, or would they be good at playing Sarah McLachlan and softer music that has great demands when it comes to lack of box-resonances and shoutiness? Are they truly on par with very good high-end Hifi-speakers?

Answers are greatly appreciated.


I have heard the Tempests in my room and the 18" Dayton HO's as well. Both are outstanding. I like my speakers more, especially for music, but I sure as he** better for how much more expensive they are.

The Tempests extended very low in my room when ran full range, check this out:




Hearing the Dayton 18" subs is what pushed me over the edge to go DIY and sell my Submersives (GREAT subs too btw).
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Would the Tux1099 be an equivalent to the fusion tempest 12?
I'm having second thoughts on which one I should get after reading some of your comments here.
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I think it would help to know what you currently have? I love my tempest and think they sound great but I also haven't heard quite the variety of speakers some on here have.
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I have them and i love them for music, A few others have heard them recently (popalock, NathanJ and a few others) down at popalocks house, They all seemed to really enjoy them and the "live" sound they have, They are really similar to the larger models (cheap thrills and Sentinels). In certain rooms (like Carps) they will play damn near full range.

are there better sounding speakers for music? - Yes

are there better sounding speakers for music for what these cost? - If there is id like to see it
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I have them and i love them for music, A few others have heard them recently (popalock, NathanJ and a few others) down at popalocks house, They all seemed to really enjoy them and the "live" sound they have, They are really similar to the larger models (cheap thrills and Sentinels). In certain rooms (like Carps) they will play damn near full range.

are there better sounding speakers for music? - Yes

are there better sounding speakers for music for what these cost? - If there is id like to see it


Absolutely, I was VERY impressed with them. How much does cost per speaker fully assembled/finished? If I remember right mrsmithers told me he built his (that's what I heard in my room) for 250 a piece? Is that right? It was a while back so I might be remembering that wrong.

They had some of the same characteristics of my old eD Cinema 12's (same kind of dynamics) but they had smoother highs and extended a LOT lower and just had a more pleasing overall sound.
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kit from DIY sound is $318

thats with all the components and the front baffle

the full flatpack adds another $69 if you don't want to build your own box, roughly 400 per speaker for the raw mats
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My guess retail complete speaker is about 1500 each, roughly =klipsh rf7 but better.
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kit from DIY sound is $318

thats with all the components and the front baffle

the full flatpack adds another $69 if you don't want to build your own box, roughly 400 per speaker for the raw mats


Oh, a little more than I remembered but still an incredible bargain.
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carp,

I just saw you "pictures of my room" thread and noticed your LCR's immediately
What are they?
Do you like'em?
Man they look menacing!!! eek.gif

Where are they from?

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carp,

I just saw you "pictures of my room" thread and noticed your LCR's immediately
What are they?
Do you like'em?
Man they look menacing!!! eek.gif

Where are they from?

JTR Noesis 212 Ht

http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/noesis-212ht/
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Hey fatshaft,

They are JTR Noesis 212's. Very expensive - 2199 per speaker. I NEVER thought I would spend that kind of money on LCR speakers until I heard them.

I've had them for 1 year now and I've posted so many times how much I love them that I'm sure it's getting old for people so I sometimes cringe when I post yet another post about how I like them... but I can't help it! smile.gif

They are as dynamic of a movie speaker as you can find (or at least that I've heard) but that's not why I bought them, I bought them for how they sound for music since that's my priority by a long shot.
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Hey fatshaft,

They are JTR Noesis 212's. Very expensive - 2199 per speaker. I NEVER thought I would spend that kind of money on LCR speakers until I heard them.

I've had them for 1 year now and I've posted so many times how much I love them that I'm sure it's getting old for people so I sometimes cringe when I post yet another post about how I like them... but I can't help it! smile.gif

They are as dynamic of a movie speaker as you can find (or at least that I've heard) but that's not why I bought them, I bought them for how they sound for music since that's my priority by a long shot.

Holy cow!
I think I'm gonna pass...way over my budget!
I'd love to hear them one day !!!!
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JTR Noesis 212 Ht

http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/noesis-212ht/

Big thank you Sibuna !

Gonna go read a little

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Well, I have owned a lot of speakers but have found controlled dispersion very important.

My greatest fear with those big enclosures is that they will resonate and mud up the sound. Are they good for quieter music such as Alison Krauss and even mellower stuff?

What amps do you use? AVRs?
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i run mine off an Emotiva XPA-3 but they will run fine off an AVR, as for quieter music i dont know who Alison Krauss is so i cant think or what may compair. I listen to a wide range of music (mostly rock) but i do listen to folk and classical (think Beethoven and such) and never noticed any great differences in the type of music being played

the MDF kit boxes are pretty dead acoustically.
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:08 AM - Thread Starter
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What?? You aren't familiar with Alison Krauss? Where have you been the last 10 years?!?!?

Just kidding.

It is bluegrass music, but I am thinking about softer, low-tempo music that requires them to "shut up" in the stops within a song. Some speakers seem to make sound all the time.
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I have built the Cheap Thrills and the Fusion 8. I would not characterize either designs as 'muddy' in any way, however I would not characterize them as bright either. The CT sounds a little darker perhaps, owing to the 15" woofer and the crossover design. The Fusion 8 sounds remarkably similar, although perhaps actually a little more 'in your face'. They are designed for the most part to have a flat response. Damping the cabinet should take care of resonances that might be considered muddy. They blend in a surround system nicely for movies. Music sounds great on either.

I listen to a ton of classical guitar; from Julian Bream to Pepe Romero to Manuel Barruecco. IMHO the dynamic range of these designs is everything you could hope for, including low volume and delicate passages; this would include Alison Krauss (although I am not a fan particularly).

Having said all this, buying any speaker without hearing it is a crap shoot; a little like buying a projector without seeing it. Certainly the consensus of those who have heard SEOS designs (at least around here) is that for the money these are the best value going in speakers. Ya' pays yer money and ya' takes yer chances. I am pretty sure the Tempest 12" and a 15' Dayton sub would provide a quality listening experience no matter what music genre you were lightning to.
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Or you could use an Acoustic Elegance TD12X and a tower like I did, feed it 300-400W a channel, and melt your face. Full range in any room for about $100 more a speaker.
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I can appreciate that Bhazard, but getting the enclosures as a flat pack and the holes neatly recessed is mandatory for me. I am not good at woodworking. smile.gif

Your solution is of course very appealing, but I like to have decent aestethics and that would not be an expresseion suited to describe the project when finished, I can guarantee that.
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I can appreciate that Bhazard, but getting the enclosures as a flat pack and the holes neatly recessed is mandatory for me. I am not good at woodworking. smile.gif

Your solution is of course very appealing, but I like to have decent aestethics and that would not be an expresseion suited to describe the project when finished, I can guarantee that.
Ditto on that!! I've been trying for over a month to get someone to cut me some wood! Apparently my friends have zero wood skills also.
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I'll be building three of these for my front stage, run off a Sherbourn PA 7-150 (150x7 and basically an Emotiva amp).
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This is exactly what I'm doing with mine, powering them with Sherbourn PA 7-150. My measurment graphs weren't as good as the ones Carp posted with a big deep in 50-70 hz range which sucked most of the bass from the speakers due to the room mods where my previous full-range towers didn't show the same issue. So if you don't have a dedicated room where you can do some sound treatements you can run into similar issues.

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Ok, perhaps I should just order. I have been thinking about the smaller kits, but the Fusion 8 has a smaller waveguide, the Fusion 10 Pure looks a bit odd with such a "small" driver. Tempest has better proportions, and if painted white matte, perhaps even looks quite good?
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I have them and i love them for music, A few others have heard them recently (popalock, NathanJ and a few others) down at popalocks house, They all seemed to really enjoy them and the "live" sound they have, They are really similar to the larger models (cheap thrills and Sentinels). In certain rooms (like Carps) they will play damn near full range.

are there better sounding speakers for music? - Yes

are there better sounding speakers for music for what these cost? - If there is id like to see it

How did they sound in comparison to Popalock's Klipsch towers?

 


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IMO better but thats gonna vary from person to person. the Klipsch have a lot more bass by design and are IMO overly bright, ive never liked how bright the klipsch are
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