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Chaluga, is that the 8 cu ft flat pack from DIY soundgroup? If so, then that looks like it's a sealed dual opposed design. If your proposed design is a ported, I guess that mean you are cutting your own wood. What would be the performance difference between a ported 8 cu ft and the regular 11 cu ft Marty?

LOL.... careful, assuming that a wood shop teacher will be using a flat pack might come off a little insulting!....lol tongue.gif
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LOL.... careful, assuming that a wood shop teacher will be using a flat pack might come off a little insulting!....lol tongue.gif

Ooops, I forgot Chaluga is a woodshop teacher and he has access to all those wonderful tools. I shall consider my wrist slapped and report for detention.
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I would be interested in 1, possibly 2 UXL-18 drivers but I am waiting on specs from EricH regarding an 18" ported subwoofer flat pack. Looks like it should be around 10 cubic ft with 2 6" round ports similar to the 4 cubic ft flat pack I would assume.

Really not interested in going sealed as I want to pressurize my whole 6000 sq feet living/dining/kitchen as it is open concept.

Once I get feedback from ErichH, I will confirm my interest...

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I would be interested in 1, possibly 2 UXL-18 drivers but I am waiting on specs from EricH regarding an 18" ported subwoofer flat pack. Looks like it should be around 10 cubic ft with 2 6" round ports similar to the 4 cubic ft flat pack I would assume.
Really not interested in going sealed as I want to pressurize my whole 6000 sq feet living/dining/kitchen as it is open concept.
Once I get feedback from ErichH, I will confirm my interest...

What's the port tune going to be on that flat pack?
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8cu ft is the size I am going to use. 25 x 31 x 24. Cmon join the group tongue.gif

Chaluga, is that the 8 cu ft flat pack from DIY soundgroup? If so, then that looks like it's a sealed dual opposed design. If your proposed design is a ported, I guess that mean you are cutting your own wood. What would be the performance difference between a ported 8 cu ft and the regular 11 cu ft Marty?

Not much at all. Will lose 1-2 hz in tuning so instead of 16 it will be 17-18. Now I can put it to the left of my tv and my.left front tower will be in my living room instead of the dining room smile.gif

I also have a surprise in the build that I have never seen anywhere in the DIY threads. Oh , by the way ... no detention ... just a shiny apple biggrin.gif
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I would love to see Erich come up with that new 8cf vented FP. It would do for vented over here what the sealed version has. It might even do better? I know I sure would have found it tempting, or still for that matter.
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I would be interested in 1, possibly 2 UXL-18 drivers but I am waiting on specs from EricH regarding an 18" ported subwoofer flat pack. Looks like it should be around 10 cubic ft with 2 6" round ports similar to the 4 cubic ft flat pack I would assume.
Really not interested in going sealed as I want to pressurize my whole 6000 sq feet living/dining/kitchen as it is open concept.
Once I get feedback from ErichH, I will confirm my interest...

I am also waiting for a response from Erich about the specs on the rumored 18 inch ported flatpack. I will be in for 2 if I can find a ported enclosure, tuned below 20hz, that has good performance. I am researching "the Annihilator" on another thread to see if that would work for me...
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I would be interested in 1, possibly 2 UXL-18 drivers but I am waiting on specs from EricH regarding an 18" ported subwoofer flat pack. Looks like it should be around 10 cubic ft with 2 6" round ports similar to the 4 cubic ft flat pack I would assume.
Really not interested in going sealed as I want to pressurize my whole 6000 sq feet living/dining/kitchen as it is open concept.
Once I get feedback from ErichH, I will confirm my interest...

This sounds interesting! I would really like to know the port tune for this flat pack as well. I would also like to avoid doing another build in my basement, so I hope it's at least equal to the Marty. Too bad I don't have access to Chaluga's workshop.
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Not much at all. Will lose 1-2 hz in tuning so instead of 16 it will be 17-18. Now I can put it to the left of my tv and my.left front tower will be in my living room instead of the dining room smile.gif

I also have a surprise in the build that I have never seen anywhere in the DIY threads. Oh , by the way ... no detention ... just a shiny apple biggrin.gif

Now Chaluga, that's not fair. Am gonna be agonizing over what that "surprise" could be. And that's worse than detention
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I am also waiting for a response from Erich about the specs on the rumored 18 inch ported flatpack. I will be in for 2 if I can find a ported enclosure, tuned below 20hz, that has good performance. I am researching "the Annihilator" on another thread to see if that would work for me...

Here is the link to "The Annihilator":

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1494135/annihilation-sub-coming-soon

But I can't fit these builds in my room. I can do tall, but I can't do tall and deep. If I am going to do tall, I would like to keep the footprint to less than 24" x 24". Can anyone recommend a program to design my own box, besides winISD? I am having trouble figuring that program out.
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Here is the link to "The Annihilator":

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1494135/annihilation-sub-coming-soon

But I can't fit these builds in my room. I can do tall, but I can't do tall and deep. If I am going to do tall, I would like to keep the footprint to less than 24" x 24". Can anyone recommend a program to design my own box, besides winISD? I am having trouble figuring that program out.

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Here is the link to "The Annihilator":

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1494135/annihilation-sub-coming-soon

But I can't fit these builds in my room. I can do tall, but I can't do tall and deep. If I am going to do tall, I would like to keep the footprint to less than 24" x 24". Can anyone recommend a program to design my own box, besides winISD? I am having trouble figuring that program out.

A 22"x22" and 42" tall would give you around 10cu/ft.
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A 22"x22" and 42" tall would give you around 10cu/ft.

Thanks JBrown,

Is there a program that I can buy/download that will let me play with different dimensions of the cabinet? One that will account for the amount of volume that is taken up by the bracing and porting components? The enclosures on the driver's website are either sealed or they are tuned too high (28hz).
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Thanks JBrown,

Is there a program that I can buy/download that will let me play with different dimensions of the cabinet? One that will account for the amount of volume that is taken up by the bracing and porting components? The enclosures on the driver's website are either sealed or they are tuned too high (28hz).

http://www.the12volt.com/caraudio/boxcalcs.asp#top
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So I packed up my hsu sub (took two hours) and just have one martysub with si18 . Adjusted the trim level and played a few test tracks and output is very close to before. Can't wait to see what uxl18 will do in ported enclosure . C'mon guys , need a few more orders eek.gif
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Hey chal.. How much did you sell your sub for if you don't mind me asking??

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I got 700 for it. Shipping is 100 bucks so. I made 600. There are not many for sale so you can get good coin for it. I'm happy and he saves 300 for a sub with no scratches , marks , and I don't push them crazy hard so it should have many years to go.
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I got 700 for it. Shipping is 100 bucks so. I made 600. There are not many for sale so you can get good coin for it. I'm happy and he saves 300 for a sub with no scratches , marks , and I don't push them crazy hard so it should have many years to go.

Cool! I ask because I was willing to pay $800 +shipping. wink.gif lol

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I would love to see Erich come up with that new 8cf vented FP. It would do for vented over here what the sealed version has. It might even do better? I know I sure would have found it tempting, or still for that matter.
eek.gif oh! I’m going to have to put my Columbo hat on. This new crowd over here sure has reved things up! smile.gif
I hope EricH is reading this too!!!

I am only speculating based on the current 12" ported subwoofer flat pack which
has two 3" ports designed for 20hz tune @ 24" length.

Since Eric would probably only like to use 2 sheets of 4x8 MDF, an optimum size
for the uxl-18 would be: 23.5w x 30h x 30d. With these dimensions, we should have
a net enclosure of around 10 cubic feet which should give a tune of 17hz with
two 6" ports around 48" in length. Using PVC tubing would allow the tune to be
changed quite easily as long the enclosure is also designed to use 90 degree 6"
elbow joints. If we used three 4" ports, they could all be 25" length with no elbows
giving a tune of around 19hz.

Basically a reincarnation of an Epik Conquest sub...is what I would like Eric to build
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I hope EricH is reading this too!!!

I am only speculating based on the current 12" ported subwoofer flat pack which
has two 3" ports designed for 20hz tune @ 24" length.

Since Eric would probably only like to use 2 sheets of 4x8 MDF, an optimum size
for the uxl-18 would be: 23.5w x 30h x 30d. With these dimensions, we should have
a net enclosure of around 10 cubic feet which should give a tune of 17hz with
two 6" ports around 48" in length. Using PVC tubing would allow the tune to be
changed quite easily as long the enclosure is also designed to use 90 degree 6"
elbow joints. If we used three 4" ports, they could all be 25" length with no elbows
giving a tune of around 19hz.

Basically a reincarnation of an Epik Conquest sub...is what I would like Eric to build

Yeah! that sounds like a great idea at first glance. I bet they would do very well. Ok the PM's are starting to roll in so I better square things up. I was only playing with chal regarding buying his sold HSU. smile.gif

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Cool! I ask because I was willing to pay $800 +shipping. wink.gif lol

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I am currently running one Mael-X 18 in a Easy Button end table Max powered by an Ep-2500 in a 12x15 sealed room. I know going with sealed subs I will lose dbs down low, but by going multiples I will gain some or more than all of that back.
Since the EB end table is tuned to 13 or 16 Hz I know I will be gaining the sub 10 Hz region by going sealed, but at a cost of dbs above 10 or 15 Hz.
And now here is my question, if I replace the Mael with four sealed UXL's and a IPR 7500 is it going to be a big difference in my room? As in pressurization and db? I believe I will love stuff like the HULK scenes where it gets in the single digits, but I'm not willing to sacrifice the most used frequencies which are 20-50 Hz in my opinion to gain single digits.
Scott Simonian, thanks for already answering my other questions, I just want to see what kind of numbers I can expect and the feel compared to what I have.
Blah, I would also like to thank you for putting in your time with all this. I think you're doing a great job, and I am still on the ropes for four UXL's

As a side note, I have a CNC cut easy button max box that I never assembled, I wonder how the UXL models in these?

It is always difficult for a sealed system to be competitive with the port tune area of a ported sub, all else equal.
Provided the power of the 7500 with the four drivers/subs wired to take best advantage of it, four sealed units would be competitive, if not surpass, the port-tune area of your one current sub, blast it down lower, and kill it up above 30Hz.
I don't use modeling software (no experience yet), but I think I am pretty darn close to painting an accurate picture.
If one of the more learned folks can do some modeling to back my assertion up with numbers that might give it more meaning, please do....or slap my wrist if I am wrong. rolleyes.gif
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Can you put me down for 1 for sure for now but possibly two depending on my thread advice.

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Can you put me down for 1 for sure for now but possibly two depending on my thread advice.

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Yes sir! One more UXL18 added to the Group Buy!!!
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Blah450.... you drive a hard bargain... Go ahead and put me down for 2. biggrin.gif

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Blah450.... you drive a hard bargain... Go ahead and put me down for 2. biggrin.gif

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Done, sir!! Make that two UXL-18 for Aus1095! Only 12 more to go and I turn the names in to Mark (post # 265)! Get 'em while you can!!
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I would be interested in 1, possibly 2 UXL-18 drivers but I am waiting on specs from EricH regarding an 18" ported subwoofer flat pack. Looks like it should be around 10 cubic ft with 2 6" round ports similar to the 4 cubic ft flat pack I would assume.
Really not interested in going sealed as I want to pressurize my whole 6000 sq feet living/dining/kitchen as it is open concept.
Once I get feedback from ErichH, I will confirm my interest...

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I am also waiting for a response from Erich about the specs on the rumored 18 inch ported flatpack. I will be in for 2 if I can find a ported enclosure, tuned below 20hz, that has good performance. I am researching "the Annihilator" on another thread to see if that would work for me...


Fellas, how about a MartySub! by LTD???
I mean, whatever cabinet design you opt for, and there will be one that works...whether a flat-pack or simple DIY like the MartySub!...you will need the drivers for it, and the UXL18 fits the bill in just about any design.
Don't miss the opportunity of the fire-sale price of $410 shipped for the one ingredient you need no matter what you light on with design.
If each of you need two, put your commitments in and then go enjoy the trials and tribulations joy of designing your sub cabinet! wink.gif
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atabea...you about ready to throw in for 4 of these bad boys?

I would love to turn our order in to Mark sooner than later and you could put this fantastic deal that much closer to reality for all of us.

No pressure of course....biggrin.gif
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I was going to recommend these to my dad but with two questions going unanswered related to a SQ comparison to the LMS 5400, I'm dropping out of this thread. I look forward to hearing what people think when they get them and especially if some of the early driver issues have been addressed. Enjoy everyone!
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^^^^That's too bad, dgage. SQ comparison is the most subjective of all things in the audio world...especially when the question is posed of two premium drivers wherein it would be difficult to find someone that would have had the financial opportunity to compare the two drivers head to head in an apples to apples comparison. Best of luck to you, sir!
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