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Preferably a monitor but towers welcome too. Looking for big soundstage and most of all an enchanting midrange.
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the ultimate design that is... if you have good wood working skills and deep pockets. these speakers can beat and have beaten $200,000 speakers. enter if you dare!

 

http://www.humblehomemadehifi.com/download/Humble%20Homemade%20Hifi_Galactica_copy.pdf

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$200,000
Approx cost of the xover.
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That design is way too expensive. So far I count $1200 for the drivers not including the mid-range driver since I can't find the price. Add the crossovers and cabinets = way over $900.

Nice design though
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http://www.diysoundgroup.com/forum/index.php?topic=182.0

use separate subs. works better that way. or, if you really want to, built the subs into the same cabinet for a 3 way.

Listen. It's All Good.
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Or if looking for a more conventional low-efficiency design, Curt Campbell's Statements (towers) or Finalists (monitors). Sorry posting from a tablet and too lazy to provide links.
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Jim Holtz/Curt Campbell's Statement Monitors or their Finalist monitors can both be built for around $900 a pair: http://www.speakerdesignworks.com/index_page_2.html

The Statements have been built by lots of people and are very well reviewed at the DIY events. I have heard both and they both sound great, though I am slightly more partial to the Statements. If you have the room i would also consider the larger Statement minis or the full Statements. Great sounding speakers.
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Or if looking for a more conventional low-efficiency design, Curt Campbell's Statements (towers) or Finalists (monitors). Sorry posting from a tablet and too lazy to provide links.
I noticed that the mids are open. Will that affect low volume intelligibility? Will this make the 1-5khz range seem laid back? Many people like laid back mids but I do not. Placement may be a problem for me. How good are the Finalists with the tunnel sealed?

So far I've seen the Khanspires but want something with a slightly smaller size.
The Absonica looks good with its Anarchy woofers but I don't like the rather large dip in the charts between 2-4khz.
Any thoughts on the Paul Kittinger's Amaroso? or his Cavatina? Sonatello?
More suggestions or thoughts welcome.
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I suspect that "enchanting midrange" would suffer more than anything if you plug the tunnels on Statements/Finalists or push them too close to a wall.

Have a close look at LTD's suggestion, they are reportedly very good and will have a leg up on many other designs in terms of clarity and intelligibility due to their focus on controlled directivity. Less room, more speaker.
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I did look at them but isn't a properly implemented 3-way superior to a properly implemented 2-way in the midrange? Second doesn't forced directivity of a horn produce a less expansive/spacious soundstage?

Please don't get the wrong idea. Horn designs are just as good as traditional speakers as far as SQ is concerned. It's just my experience with Klipsch that horn designs have a more narrow sweet spot. I want my speakers to disappear.
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A bit more than $900pr but another great choice is Jed's Dynamic series. I have the 2T's and am almost finished building the 4T's.

http://www.clearwavespeakers.com/webapps/category/98515/300200/82317
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I listened to some galactica's built with bambo ply powered by some Bryston mono-blocks. Hands down the absolute best speaker I've ever heard. Audio nirvana! Those phl mids are serious business. These speakers make the demi-god AV123 LS9's sound like white van special speakers. If your serious about building one of the best diy speakers of all time... look no further. They will blow your mind. And.... they look mean as hell. Piano white or black would be astonishing!
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A bit more than $900pr but another great choice is Jed's Dynamic series. I have the 2T's and am almost finished building the 4T's.

http://www.clearwavespeakers.com/webapps/category/98515/300200/82317

Heard good things about Jed's Designs. Sadly out of my price range.
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I listened to some galactica's built with bambo ply powered by some Bryston mono-blocks. Hands down the absolute best speaker I've ever heard. Audio nirvana! Those phl mids are serious business. These speakers make the demi-god AV123 LS9's sound like white van special speakers. If your serious about building one of the best diy speakers of all time... look no further. They will blow your mind. And.... they look mean as hell. Piano white or black would be astonishing!

Yeah I heard some high end designs that just made me go eek.gif. Realized nothing from a brick and mortar would compare unless it costs a fortune. Started to realize that the Songtower woofers were not too expensive yet slaughtered the brick and mortar brands at their price bracket. Looked at DIY and don't think I will ever go back to brands sold at local stores.


Anyone heard Paul Kittinger's Amaroso? Cavatina? Sonatello?
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Finally hit the mother load smile.gif
Huge list with pics of DIY speakers
http://www.quarter-wave.com/Gallery/Gallery.html
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^^ I wouldn't waste my time with almost all of those.
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Oh I know. But there are some designs from people like Paul K that I didn't know existed. To make use of this list one must recognize good designers though. If someone doesn't know who the good designers are then this list is worthless.
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You haven't said if its for movies or music. Or other factors that decide what you want.
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Both movies and music. More for music though. I used to have some Andrew Jones Pioneer's with 85db ish sensitivity and it was loud enough for me. Occasionally I will crank the volume but I would rather not suffer hearing damage. Monster SPL speakers are not that big of a requirement. Sound quality is.
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You haven't said if its for movies or music.
What difference does that make?
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You haven't said if its for movies or music.
What difference does that make?

Makes a huge difference . Listening to movies at loud (not reference ) requires very dynamic speakers with high sensativity if you have a 80 watt receiver . Speakers with 83-87 db are difficult to drive without an amp.

People who tend to just listen to music tend to prefer ribbon tweeters liker the raal. These are not absolutes , but tend to be the case from seeing dozens of threads here.
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lol...I spec for headroom for folks who listen to music!

full reference on movies only goes to 105db or so.

full reference on music is...well...as loud as you want and can go up past 120db with peaks when played loud.

the biggest difference is in the extension required out of the subwoofers.

save pipe organs, very little music has content below about 30hz.

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The ideal DIY 3-way for music, IMHO, would be a RAAL tweeter + Seas mids + Scan Speak or AE TD woofers!

Those are some very expensive drivers, though. I actually may be doing a build like that. I already have a pair of the RAAL tweeters and a single Seas mid. Just saving up for the other mid and a nice pair of woofers. Then comes the hard part, which is the crossover! Luckily I have a good friend that is willing to design an active crossover utilizing either a Behringer iNuke1000dsp or a MiniDsp and some unknown amp!
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How about this

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Silver flute w20 8ohm. Morel something mid. Can't remember right now. And vifa xt25 tweeters. Total about $300 per, plus construction.

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BTW, the silver rim around the woofer is something the guy who made these did. They come black. He built them, I designed the XO as a favour.
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Read the following link regarding The ER18's build:

 

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/diy-corner-tips-techniques/68531-new-diy-mtm-towers-designed-dennis-murphy-paul-kittinger.html

 

The kit cost about $700.00 plus wood,glue, etc. costs.

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Read the following link regarding The ER18's build:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/diy-corner-tips-techniques/68531-new-diy-mtm-towers-designed-dennis-murphy-paul-kittinger.html

The kit cost about $700.00 plus wood,glue, etc. costs.

That is a very nice, and well thought out/designed speaker that looks to be close to a Salk HT-2TL. I wonder how this duel woofer ER18's and Fountek NeoCD3.0 ribbon tweeter compare to the actual HT2-TL? The later used the more expensive W18 woofers and the RAAL 70-20xr, if my memory serves me correctly. This design competes with the Statements quite well, so well, actually; that it might sound better than the Statements!
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Read the following link regarding The ER18's build:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/diy-corner-tips-techniques/68531-new-diy-mtm-towers-designed-dennis-murphy-paul-kittinger.html

The kit cost about $700.00 plus wood,glue, etc. costs.
The thread is about 3 ways - that's a 2 way.
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