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MiniDSP fans will likely rejoice at the latest offering, the HDMI-based nanoAVR. The new unit allows users to tweak and tune eight channels of uncompressed digital audio. With all the functionality that MiniDSP is famous for plus an all-digital signal path. I'll dispense with journalistic objectivity and admit that I want one. Now. Fortunately, I'll have a chance to check out a review unit soon enough, so stay tuned for that.

 

The NanoAVR offers 32-bit floating-point processing, two HDMI 1.4a inputs and one HDMI 1.4a output. It passes along the video signal while performing its magic on the audio signal. Input and output resolution is 24-bit, and it supports 192 kHz input—although processing is performed at 96kHz. You can find more info on the miniDSP website.

 

The new nanoAVR from miniDSP is an all-digital, HDMI-based device

 

Here is the back panel of the new nanoAVR

 

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Wow! That thing is awesome! I wonder what the price is going to be? Any word on that? Depending on price, I might have to pre-order one of these bad boys! I would love to have the flexibility to do an active crossover and EQ on a pair of 3-way speakers and duel subs! I wonder if this until will replace any of the other MiniDsp units?
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This is wicked. Can it beat Audyssey? biggrin.gif I'll buy it if it's better than XT32. A hope for those with XT-only AVR.
With the USB connection, it reminds me of SVS AS-EQ1. rolleyes.gif
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It all depends on how their floating point signal processing goes. Also adds 10 parametric EQ's per channel, but one would hope the "digital" processing aspect of it would render the parametric EQ part unnecessary.

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Interesting piece of gear for those that need that functionality.

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Wow, that is nice! If the price is right I would be up for a pre-order. I just ordered a UMIK-1 and am starting to get into REW. This couldn't have come out at a better time for me. biggrin.gif
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Hopefully we'll soon be seeing some info on how to pre-order, and on pricing. At the right price, the simplicity of use of this thing could make it a real winner.

 

Will whoever sees price and pre-order details first, please post the info here?  Thanks.

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So this sits between the source like a BR player and the receiver or prepro? Interesting concept, but I'm trying to wrap my head around how it would really work especially since the processing would happen before any sort of bass management in the receiver. If it could handle bass management then it would be very cool. You would just use the AVR for DAC's, preamp and amp.

What would be interesting would be to be for MiniDSP to allow for the signal to be further processed into something like a 16 outputs for actively crossed LCRs and user controlled bass management along with volume control across all channels. That would be pretty similar to the DataSat RS20i minus the Dirac Live algorithms.
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I wish there was a Toslink and\or SPDIF output on this thing. It would be a perfect solution for those who invested big money at the start of HDMI era in super expensive AVRs.
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Love the idea, curious to see how it handles HDCP negotiations and whether it passes hardware info back and forth properly in the case of a computer as source.
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So this sits between the source like a BR player and the receiver or prepro? Interesting concept, but I'm trying to wrap my head around how it would really work especially since the processing would happen before any sort of bass management in the receiver. If it could handle bass management then it would be very cool. You would just use the AVR for DAC's, preamp and amp.

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With 10 bands of PEQ per channel, selectable sub crossovers are easy (right?). Redirecting bass from main channels would be tough, I guess.

Does "matrix mixer for routing of audio" mean it can redirect bass?
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I wonder whether this unit could be used with Dirac Live or some such.

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With 10 bands of PEQ per channel, selectable sub crossovers are easy (right?). Redirecting bass from main channels would be tough, I guess.

Does "matrix mixer for routing of audio" mean it can redirect bass?

Guess only since the product isn't out but my 10x10 can easily combine inputs.

On the Inputs tab, you select which inputs are active and can rename the inputs to be descriptive.

The next tab, Routing, is where you select which input is associated to which outputs. This can be 1 to 1 or 1 to many.

The final tab, Output is where you select which crossover points, EQ settings, and delays to apply to each output.
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I wish there was a Toslink and\or SPDIF output on this thing. It would be a perfect solution for those who invested big money at the start of HDMI era in super expensive AVRs.

 

The MiniDSP 10x10 might be worth a look for people in that situation....

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Which formats will this accept as input and what formats can it output. Looks to me like this is a PCM only solution?
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Which formats will this accept as input and what formats can it output. Looks to me like this is a PCM only solution?

 

Yes, PCM only, so you would have to have a source which can be set to output PCM instead of bitstream (but isn’t that all BD players?). It will output PCM to the AVR but all AVRs can handle that AFAIK.

 

It has to work on PCM - it wouldn't be able to EQ bitstreamed output for obvious reasons.

 

Are you seeing that as a problem or a negative?  It doesn't matter whether the player does the decoding or the AVR, so why worry?  

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Yes, PCM only, so you would have to have a source which can be set to output PCM instead of bitstream (but isn’t that all BD players?). It will output PCM to the AVR but all AVRs can handle that AFAIK.

It has to work on PCM - it wouldn't be able to EQ bitstreamed output for obvious reasons.

Are you seeing that as a problem or a negative?  It doesn't matter whether the player does the decoding or the AVR, so why worry?  

So if this unit only supports PCM, does that mean that it does the DAC converting instead of the source or the receiver? If so, I wonder how the DAC chips are in this unit?

Also, could this unit be connected straight to a Bluray player & amp, leaving the receiver or pre/pro out of the loop? I have been on the fense about ordering an Oppo BDP-105 or BDP-95 and run it straight to the amp as I only use this setup for Bluray movies. The downside to the Oppo--->amp is that I would loose room correction software, but I could always use a MiniDsp to handle the EQ'ing.
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Yes, PCM only, so you would have to have a source which can be set to output PCM instead of bitstream (but isn’t that all BD players?). It will output PCM to the AVR but all AVRs can handle that AFAIK.

It has to work on PCM - it wouldn't be able to EQ bitstreamed output for obvious reasons.

Are you seeing that as a problem or a negative?  It doesn't matter whether the player does the decoding or the AVR, so why worry?  

So if this unit only supports PCM, does that mean that it does the DAC converting instead of the source or the receiver? If so, I wonder how the DAC chips are in this unit?
 

 

No - it simply means that the BD player is decoding the TrueHD/DTS-HD MA etc codec instead of letting the AVR decode it. It is still a digital signal (it is being sent via HDMI remember).

 

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 Also, could this unit be connected straight to a Bluray player & amp, leaving the receiver or pre/pro out of the loop? I have been on the fense about ordering an Oppo BDP-105 or BDP-95 and run it straight to the amp as I only use this setup for Bluray movies. The downside to the Oppo--->amp is that I would loose room correction software, but I could always use a MiniDsp to handle the EQ'ing.

 

No - the amp requires an analog input not a digital one, amps being analog devices. This unit has two HDMI inputs and one HDMI output. There has to be an HDMI input on the 'receiving' end of the nanoAVR and an amp doesn’t have one of course.

 

You can of course use the Oppo directly to an amp via its analog outputs and the 105 is equipped with a volume control to facilitate this. As you say, you will lose room correction and the loss of that usually has a far more damaging effect on sound quality than using a digital-digital solution so, IMO at least, it isn't a good idea. Unless you can EQ somewhere else - but if you have a BD player connected directly to the amp, then the EQ has to go between the two and that is impossible with the nanoAVR as it has not been designed to provide such a solution. You may care to explore the MiniDSP 10x10 which can handle 8 analog channels and two digital channels and could therefore be interposed between the analog outputs of the Oppo and the analog inputs of the amp.

 

[Incidentally, all modern DACs of the sort likely to be used in AVRs and equipment of the type we are discussing, long since surpassed the abilities of human hearing wrt to distortion and other artefacts. So any decent DAC of this kind will have no audible differences that can actually be heard by human beings, so even if your question was leading to the DACs, it wouldn't matter in the real world). But that is OT for this thread - there are many other threads where this is discussed at length though.]

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Pretty cool I'll b keeping an eye on it.

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Also adds 10 parametric EQ's per channel, but one would hope the "digital" processing aspect of it would render the parametric EQ part unnecessary.

What does one have to do with the other?

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Hello All,
While I was at CES I spoke to Tony from MiniDSP...he informed me that the unit would be around the $300 range.

Hope this helps
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While I was at CES I spoke to Tony from MiniDSP...he informed me that the unit would be around the $300 range.

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I'd love to see some image processing features included in this device (or in a different version, even if it had to cost a little more). Dedicated video processors are way too expensive for what they do, and MiniDSP could get a lot of market share with a $300 to $500 device that includes not only audio processing but things such as customizable video scaling and masking (no need to bother including all the basic image controls that everyone already has in their display or AVR).
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I just got an email from MiniDSP.. the page for the nanoAVR is up...Price is ...what I was told $299.. enjoy

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Looks good, but I'd like to see them give access to whatever video processing the HDMI transceiver chip allows. It's probably limited to changing the active video area (blanking a user-defined number of rows and columns at the edges), and maybe some control over colour space conversions, but the programmable masking alone would be worth it for me (to fit movies with unusual aspect ratios to my scope screen).
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If DIRAC releases a plugin for this, I'm probably sold in the long term! This could do to audio what Lumagen does to video. The total price is very palatable compared to the top end Audyssey offerings

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If DIRAC releases a plugin for this, I'm probably sold in the long term! This could do to audio what Lumagen does to video. The total price is very palatable compared to the top end Audyssey offerings

That would be awesome! I'm in for one of these new nanoAVR's...
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Is there anything the regular mindsp does that the Nano cant do???

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Is there anything the regular mindsp does that the Nano cant do???

Provide analog inputs and outputs.

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