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post #241 of 264 Old 06-12-2014, 06:16 PM
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They're almost done.

Karma-15's are completed and there's one final listening round before they show up.
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They're almost done.

Karma-15's are completed and there's one final listening round before they show up.
Very exciting news, Erich!!!!!.
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how will the Karma-15's compare to the Fusion-12's?
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how will the Karma-15's compare to the Fusion-12's?
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the speaker line on DIYSG can some one line them up from good to best? list the difference in the lines? only thing on there now is the fusion. karma? alpha? thanks
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Is there or can there be any GTG events to compare the new FUSION 15 vs the old one, with perhaps a FUSION 12, FUSION 8, and whatever else is out there for comparison sake.

I'd be really interested in the feedback from that.

Seems like enough of these are out in the wild now to make this possible.

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The more it costs the better it is. The bigger it is the better it is. That simple.
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I sense sarcasm ?

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Nope. For real.
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Easy enough! Only if everything was that simple.
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I sense sarcasm ?
Kind of rude of you to call EricH out and think that he would release a more expensive lower performing speaker. He isn't making a profit so what motive would he have to do so?
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Only 8 of the original Fusion-15's ever sold, Gorilla83 has three, Chopshop bought three then sold them to someone in NY after the idea of something bigger got off the ground and someone got the last two remaining drivers/crossovers a few months ago. So there are not a lot of those out there.


Gorilla's GTG back in the spring of 2013 had the most SEOS speakers of any GTG I know of, the complete Fusion lineup 8"-15" though we did not get a chance to listen to Tux's Fusion-10's due to the shear number of speakers at that GTG.
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Kind of rude of you to call EricH out and think that he would release a more expensive lower performing speaker. He isn't making a profit so what motive would he have to do so?
I wasn't calling anyone out, I just thought that some thing like the 1099 is smaller than the Fusion 15 but probably a bit better. I know it generally works that way, but it's not automatic. I didn't mean any disrespect to anyone, it was just a question.
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Only 8 of the original Fusion-15's ever sold, Gorilla83 has three, Chopshop bought three then sold them to someone in NY after the idea of something bigger got off the ground and someone got the last two remaining drivers/crossovers a few months ago. So there are not a lot of those out there.


Gorilla's GTG back in the spring of 2013 had the most SEOS speakers of any GTG I know of, the complete Fusion lineup 8"-15" though we did not get a chance to listen to Tux's Fusion-10's due to the shear number of speakers at that GTG.

I bought my Tempests based on the comments and recommendations on this GTG. I'm happy with them.

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I thought the Fusion 15 was generally preferred at that GTG, which sorta reinforces what I said about bigger and more expensive is better. But maybe not. I can't remember the results specifically. I just remember my speaker didn't get play time and I was relieved
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Sorry, I have to add. I can't believe only 8 sold with such good looks, high performance, top notch components, and how many times it was recommended. Dang I mean, I can't remember how many times I recommended it. So many people come here saying "I want lots of midbass and SPL" and I would throw out the Fusion 15 right away. Maybe the size didn't suite people. They were quite wide.

I know the Fusion 10s didn't sell all that well either. Maybe it was the aesthetics. People like the SEOS 12 on a 12" woofer.
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Erich and I thought it might have been the lack of a flatpack option. What's funny is after he took it off the site because they were not selling and we were unsure about the future availability of the 15PS76 because B&C listed them as a discontinued model lots of people started asking about them.


I'm good knowing the new Fusion-15 sounds better then the old one. I gave Erich the parts list and schematic the other day so it's all in his hands now.
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There were other reasons the original Fusion-15 didn't get ordered too much.

The SEOS project was still kind of new. It used a SEOS-12 over a 15" woofer instead of the SEOS-15. And it wasn't in stock for very long. I initially had them priced too low to break even because it was right when all of this started. Once I got nailed a couple times and realized it and took them down. They were out of stock for a long time until eventually we knew they were going to get redone with a different woofer and waveguide. So there was no reason to get flat packs made or anything like that. Heck, even the photo didn't show all the parts correctly. It was just not done right because it was one of the first ones we did.

Actually that original Sentinel project had bad luck things pop up through every step of it's existence. Wrong custom shipping boxes, wrong woofer hole cut out, wrong shipping costs, literally every step of getting that model out had funky things happen. We actually considered changing the name because it's jinx in my book. And I still think we should change the name! Just not sure what it should be.
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Change the name !

FUSION 15 V2.0 : "The asskicker"

FUSION 15: Damage Inc.

FUSION 15: "all hail the king"

Fusion 15... COME GET SOME..

Fusion 15: It's good to be the king.

lol. Ok I'll stop. But seriously... hearing Matt say they are better than the old ones and knowing the old ones were good makes me seriously want a pair. My short list is a 1099 or a FUSION15 if I don't get brave and try something else myself with active crossovers and dual woofs. I'm just not ready to pull trigger quite yet...

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How large/volume is the new fusion 15"?

I am initially impressed with my newly aquired special 88 and I need a set of mains to match!
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Kind of rude of you to call EricH out and think that he would release a more expensive lower performing speaker. He isn't making a profit so what motive would he have to do so?
If I remember correctly Erich himself said that the cost was not indicative of the performance. He said they were all good and the price had no relation to performance. The cheap thrills were only like $200 or something because of the buy-out woofer.
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How large/volume is the new fusion 15"?

I am initially impressed with my newly aquired special 88 and I need a set of mains to match!
Get the Fusion 12 Tempests if you are looking for L/R for the Special 88's. It was set up to be a center and by the same person who did the Tempest. He voiced them the same.

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Get the Fusion 12 Tempests if you are looking for L/R for the Special 88's. It was set up to be a center and by the same person who did the Tempest. He voiced them the same.
That is true. I just moved the 88 special on top one of my 18" subs and it fits rather nicely !
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