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WarrenBerry's Avatar WarrenBerry
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So I want to build a LCR of DIY speakers. I would mostly use them for home theatre and definitely video games. Problem is I originally wanted to build a 3 set of Fusion 15 Sentinels but I think Sibuna got the last ones! tongue.gif I emailed Erich and he told me that its going to be a few months til the speaker designer gets the new Fusion 15's up and running.

I dont have that kind of patience(or do I?) so I though I might ask the community as to what we be a good course of action. Building one of the other excellent speakers or waiting til the 15 is up and running? How does the performance of a speaker with a 12" woofer hold up to that of a 15?

Thanks for any and all comments.

PS there isnt an option for my anticipation level on the website, mine is up in the stratospheric "I WANT IT NOW NOW NOW" category
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No real advantage here to using a 15 over a 12. The 12s will do a fine job, probably require a smaller cabinet, and should cost a little less. Sure, you can probably get a few more dB out of the 15s but it really is overkill for home use.
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I really wanted the sentinels too but went with the tempests instead, since there were no (sentinel) flat packs available. While I absolutely love my tempests, I still would like to get those sentinels (or some other SEOS high-end offering) when they they become available. I already have a couple of buyers lined up to take the tempests off my hands so I can finance my next builds. Hopefully MTG will have the new sentinels ready sooner than later
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Build the tempests and you might just love them . I think you could sell them and I think it will be a few months before there ready.

I wanted the tux 1099 but I didn't want to wait. Built the fusion alchemy mtm and love it. Might still build the tux in a few months .
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What did I do now?

Anyway the 12s won't dissapoint
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PS there isnt an option for my anticipation level on the website, mine is up in the stratospheric "I WANT IT NOW NOW NOW" category


This. I've been drooling over the Alpha 12's for a very long time, and will finally be able to order them in a couple weeks. biggrin.gif
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No doubts...wait for version 2 of the Sentinels!!!
That's what I am doing as I don't want any buyers remorse.
This is diy so get the best you can afford!!
The new version will come with a seos 15 waveguide and most likely
a better driver too.
I am sure the tempest would be good too but if you are remotely considering
the Sentinel, wait for the new one...
Sorry to rain on everyone else thoughts!! Lol
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No real advantage here to using a 15 over a 12. The 12s will do a fine job, probably require a smaller cabinet, and should cost a little less. Sure, you can probably get a few more dB out of the 15s but it really is overkill for home use.
Ha ha!!! I love this: overkill for home use!!! This is the whole reason to do diy!!
Damn right it is overkill...if you can fit a tempest, you can fit a sentinel too...
Nearly all of the seos speakers are overkill and yes I am waiting for the 18" ported subs to
which is even more overkill!!
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So I want to build a LCR of DIY speakers. I would mostly use them for home theatre and definitely video games. Problem is I originally wanted to build a 3 set of Fusion 15 Sentinels but I think Sibuna got the last ones! tongue.gif I emailed Erich and he told me that its going to be a few months til the speaker designer gets the new Fusion 15's up and running.

I dont have that kind of patience(or do I?) so I though I might ask the community as to what we be a good course of action. Building one of the other excellent speakers or waiting til the 15 is up and running? How does the performance of a speaker with a 12" woofer hold up to that of a 15?

Thanks for any and all comments.

PS there isnt an option for my anticipation level on the website, mine is up in the stratospheric "I WANT IT NOW NOW NOW" category

I can't speak to the sound, but if you go with the 15" woofs you MUST build your own box. There is a 2.0 cuft Flat Pack for the 12" Tempests. I am a HUGE fan of the flat packs due to their engineering and precision CNC cuts, and to me that alone is reason enough to go with the Sentinels.
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I can't speak to the sound, but if you go with the 15" woofs you MUST build your own box. There is a 2.0 cuft Flat Pack for the 12" Tempests. I am a HUGE fan of the flat packs due to their engineering and precision CNC cuts, and to me that alone is reason enough to go with the Sentinels.
According to the speaker designer mtg90, the version 2 sentinels will come with flat packs and assembled crossovers but
obviously EricH will have the final word on that...
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According to the speaker designer mtg90, the version 2 sentinels will come with flat packs and assembled crossovers but
obviously EricH will have the final word on that...

Flat packs AND an assembled cross over??? eek.gif

WINNER! smile.gif
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According to the speaker designer mtg90, the version 2 sentinels will come with flat packs and assembled crossovers but
obviously EricH will have the final word on that...

lemans...Has MTG90 shared this info about a Sentinel V2 via PM, or is it posted somewhere?
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lemans...Has MTG90 shared this info about a Sentinel V2 via PM, or is it posted somewhere?
Yeah...I pm'd him early in January and he replied with that info.
Now that the seos 15 is here, hopefully the v2 sentinel will be available by spring...
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According to the speaker designer mtg90, the version 2 sentinels will come with flat packs and assembled crossovers but
obviously EricH will have the final word on that...

I sooooo hope you are right about this. I am down for three first day it comes out.
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Me to!! Lol
Now what surrounds would work best with these sentinels other than
'It depends...'?? DIYSoundGroup has quite a few choices including some coax's
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yeh,perhaps mtg could whip up something for surrounds that would blend well with the sentinels v2:D
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Me to!! Lol
Now what surrounds would work best with these sentinels other than
'It depends...'?? DIYSoundGroup has quite a few choices including some coax's

The V8 or V10 coaxial speakers would be a great fit for this purpose. I know that some of you folks get very anal about having matching drivers for timbre matching, but in my opinion this is much less of a concern with surround speakers and being that their are no small Seos-15/DNA-360 designs to match these bad boys you might as well try the V8's or V10's as I doubt that you would ever be in a position, sonically, that you could tell they are different drivers, unless you listen to a lot of multi channel music, in which case, I would suggest that all 5 speakers match.
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Right now we're experimenting with an Eminence woofer for the Fusion-15. It's sort of a hidden gem that was looked into quite a while ago and we're pretty confident that it will perform quite well in a smaller enclosure. If not, we have a back up model.

The past woofer is being phased out by B&C and the newer models would put the price of the kit pretty high, and likely too high for the Fusion line. And it wouldn't make any sense to use a lower priced B&C for the Alpha Line.
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Right now we're experimenting with an Eminence woofer for the Fusion-15. It's sort of a hidden gem that was looked into quite a while ago and we're pretty confident that it will perform quite well in a smaller enclosure. If not, we have a back up model.

The past woofer is being phased out by B&C and the newer models would put the price of the kit pretty high, and likely too high for the Fusion line. And it wouldn't make any sense to use a lower priced B&C for the Alpha Line.

Swwweeeeet! Can't wait!!!!!
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Right now we're experimenting with an Eminence woofer for the Fusion-15. It's sort of a hidden gem that was looked into quite a while ago and we're pretty confident that it will perform quite well in a smaller enclosure. If not, we have a back up model.

My Fusion 10 Pures have Eminence woofers. Anytime you can put a high quality American product out there, I am proud to own it.
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Right now we're experimenting with an Eminence woofer for the Fusion-15. It's sort of a hidden gem that was looked into quite a while ago and we're pretty confident that it will perform quite well in a smaller enclosure. If not, we have a back up model.

The past woofer is being phased out by B&C and the newer models would put the price of the kit pretty high, and likely too high for the Fusion line. And it wouldn't make any sense to use a lower priced B&C for the Alpha Line.
What will the nominal impedance be: 4 or 8 ohm??
Hopefully stay with 8 ohm as I can get 3 bridged 8 ohm amps for cheap
to power LCR @ 600 watts each...
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My Fusion 10 Pures have Eminence woofers. Anytime you can put a high quality American product out there, I am proud to own it.

as a guitar player thats experimented with a lot of speakers for my custom cabs... i hate Eminence. they look and feel cheap. especially the binding post. never been a fan of any of their speakers.


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as a guitar player thats experimented with a lot of speakers for my custom cabs... i hate Eminence. they look and feel cheap. especially the binding post. never been a fan of any of their speakers.

Does that include the Eminence 12" Definimax 4012HO or the 12" Eminence Delta Pro-12A?

Or just Eminence in general?
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Don't bother Warren ,
Its a bottomless pit
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Don't bother Warren ,
Its a bottomless pit

Lol fair enough. Avs might have to look at another zephyr thread here pretty soon
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Does that include the Eminence 12" Definimax 4012HO or the 12" Eminence Delta Pro-12A?

Or just Eminence in general?

any and all. there's a reason not one major guitar amp company doesn't use their speakers. eminence is for low budget diy cab builders. i guess you can say their good for the money. for a lot better, you spend a little extra.


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Right now we're experimenting with an Eminence woofer for the Fusion-15. It's sort of a hidden gem that was looked into quite a while ago and we're pretty confident that it will perform quite well in a smaller enclosure. If not, we have a back up model.

The past woofer is being phased out by B&C and the newer models would put the price of the kit pretty high, and likely too high for the Fusion line. And it wouldn't make any sense to use a lower priced B&C for the Alpha Line.


Does this mean there WILL be an Alpha-15 with a more expensive B&C 15 " woofer?? Still don't understand why you don't just use the 15FW76 woofer as its only around $30 more than the 15PS76 in the original fusion-15...


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We're trying to find something for the Fusion-15 that's around $400 - $425 per speaker but obviously sounds very nice and smooth with high output. The last kit was $406 and after figuring all costs, that was at a loss of $10 each. Basically I messed up when trying to calculate things for free shipping, which is one reason I took them down. So that kit should have been closer to $425 just to be safe. Add another $30 for the extra cost of the 15FW76 and it's up around $450-$460. That's high for the Fusion line.
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Eminence makes great products. Made in America, excellent quality control, great value. Nothing wrong with using what ever eminence woofer you have planned Erich.

I was always fond of the sentinel, so looking forward to what Matt does next.
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We're trying to find something for the Fusion-15 that's around $400 - $425 per speaker but obviously sounds very nice and smooth with high output. The last kit was $406 and after figuring all costs, that was at a loss of $10 each. Basically I messed up when trying to calculate things for free shipping, which is one reason I took them down. So that kit should have been closer to $425 just to be safe. Add another $30 for the extra cost of the 15FW76 and it's up around $450-$460. That's high for the Fusion line.

What's in a name?

Why not simply eliminate the 15" Fusion from the line, and for those needing a 15" SEOS product, make a nice Alpha 15 that goes into that $450 range? I could be wrong, but nobody really buys a set of speakers with 15" mid/bass drivers and expects it to be inexpensive, the one-off Cheap Thrill being the exception.

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