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post #1 of 154 Old 01-28-2014, 06:42 PM - Thread Starter
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Winner Winner Chicken Dinner.
I "think" this might be the Top 20 systems list... (no?)

This is AVS DIY... so a few people are "likely" to get knocked from the list, and I've probably missed some. (Start up a Top 50 list? eek.gif)

Let's set some "basic" ground rules at least:

If you are "working on it", as long as you are 'likely' to complete the system within a "reasonable" amount of time, then it could be considered.
(2 years is the hard cut-off) A higher degree of freedom could be given to those whom are/were already on the list vs newcomers.
No vapour-ware though, you have to prove that you've at least purchased the sub drivers, again, for those already on the list we could probably just take your word for it (I think?? biggrin.gif)
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I've added wattages to the list too, just because.

As of today, I think the order might be:
1) ChopShop1 (24 AE IB 18's) 10kw (or MUCH more?)
2) TheEAR (20 or 36 subwoofers of type blaa blaa blaa?) 40kW?
3) N8DOGG (8 21's, a ghorn, and 4 uxl 18's) 53kW
4) audiovideoholic (10 sealed 21's?) 20kW?
5) JapanDave (7 IB XXX-18, 4 sealed LMS-18) 17kW?
6) BassThatHz (all sealed: 2 21's, 4 LMS-18, 8 Dayton PA-18's, 6 UM-15's) 68kW
7) Scott Simonian (8 SI 18's, 4 SS RLp18's, 12 15 JBL 2226's) 28kW
8) Ricci (8 XXX-18's, 1 LMS-18 horn, 2 SDX-15's?) 31.6kW?
9) NotNyt (8 ported LMS-18's) 35.2kW
10) Health Nut (4 DO 8 LMS-18) 28kW
11) Popalock (16 sealed SI 18's) 17.6kW
12) Gorilla83 ( 4 18's, 4 UXL-18's, 2 DTS-10's?) 32.6kW?
13) 316 (8 SI-18, 10 JBL) 22kW
14) Fatshaft (4 21's, 4 18's) 17.6kW?
15 beastaudio (8 sealed SI 18's, 2 IB XXX-18's?) 10kW?
16) gpmbc (4 UXL-18, 8 Fi SSD15's, DTS-10) 18.6kW
17) BrianArnold2 (6 AI-21's IB) 4kW
18) MkTheater (8 FI IB3 18's) 17.6kW?
19) Warpdrv (3 DO 6 LMS-18) 24kW
20) lukeamdman (2 othorn LMS-18, 2 ghorn LMS-18) 17.6kW

Contenders
21) keager (4 IB XXX-18's) 8.8kW
22) saabracer23 (8 sealed um-18's) 15kW
23) scomed99 (4 Beyma 21's, 4 BMS 18's) 18kW
24) ssabripo (4 sealed 18's, 4 ported 18's?) 6.4kW?
25) robertcharles (Octal PR 4 LMS-18) 16kW
26) Bossobass (8 custom 15's), 35.2kW?
27) edoggrc51 (4 LMS-18) 17.6kW
28) jbrown15 (4 UXL-18) 17.6kW
29) carp (8 SI 18's?) 5kW?
30) bass addict (8 SI 18's) 5kW?
31) desertdome (8 AE IB15) 6kW
32) pdxrealtor (4 18's) 15kW
33) Cobra-427 (6 LMS-R 15's)

If I messed up the specs let me know, where I didn't know, I guessed, so... biggrin.gif

It's really hard to make such lists because our systems vary SO MUCH in: efficiency and design and displacement and watts. (So buy a Term-Lab folks!!!! biggrin.gif)

To even make the list you have to have at least 6 UBER subwoofers (or 8+). HOLY SMOKES BATMAN!!! eek.gif

If anyone thinks they've made "the list"... let's hear about it wink.gif



Let the insanity BEGIN!!!
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Just for reference, here is my Quad LMS-18's @ 2ft at 10hz and 55hz powered with just one clone.


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Damn you octal "cheapo" 18-incher builders...
Many people are already being knocked off the list because of you folks, and we have barely even started yet!!! (Like a BOSS!!!!!!) tongue.gif

See, I told you it would change!!! biggrin.gif
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Fat Shaft has to be up there.
Added Fatshaft to the list. I think that's about right?
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I have 6 ultimax 18's on the way (well in February) that will be run on 7.5k watts. In another 3 months I'll be adding another 2 ultimax 18s and another 7.5k watts, that way I'll have 7.5k watts per bank of four drivers.

For now the 8 drivers will be in sealed cabinets. My wife and I are house shopping now and as soon as I find the perfect basement (or should I say "bassment" hehe) I'll plan on cloning Not's setup. The poor mans version haha. If that's ok Not.

So in total 8 ultimax 18s and 15k watts. May not count as they're not here, but they're paid for.

Right now I'm running a velodyne spl10, so that right there should get me somewhere on the list.

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Good enough for me. I put you on the list saabracer.
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If SI would give me freight shipping quotes for the 18s and 24s I'd bump myself on up but......been over a week now and know they are selling 18s like hot cakes so may never even have chance at them. Prolly thought was waste of their time. I mean how many times do they get inquiries on pallet costs.
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Added some more people, and now 7 people off the list eek.gif

List is getting crazier by the second.
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I'm not really into lists like this, but wanted to mention that, unless Ricci changed his setup, last I heard he had 8x XXX not 2.
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These are all top-notch UBER systems, to make even the top 30 is something to behold and take notice, for example: edoggrc51 would be able to burst up to about 146db @ 55hz @ 2ft and he's currently in the 23rd spot.

I figured Ricci would have something beefy to go with all those heavy 8002's etc etc wink.gif

The list is a good reference index to see what people have and how their stuff might compare to each other (well, in-theory at least).
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The list is a good reference index to see what people have and how their stuff might compare to each other (well, in-theory at least).

Yes, theoretically. There are no relevant and calibrated measurements in this list and the rooms are not considered.

Beside that SPLmax is not everything. I would suggest to use a few other metrics that should count equally. But without reliable measurements this list is worthless.

Possible metrics:
  • Elimination of room modes (decay, group delay etc.)
  • Seat-to-seat variation
  • cutoff frequency
  • in-room THD (is there rattling something?)

A subwoofer system should not be loud only. smile.gif
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I realize its just for fun but I'd be more interested in a list of top sub system under 3k. Tougher to quantify for sure. I do love top lists though cool.gif
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I realize its just for fun but I'd be more interested in a list of top sub system under 3k. Tougher to quantify for sure. I do love top lists though cool.gif

Hmmm. Interesting category. I do believe my entire sub system (not including JBL's) with amps came out to be ~$3,000.

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All said and done, my 8 drivers and two amps come in at $3036. Guess I'm out.

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24 sub drivers and two clone amps for 3k. Must have been a blowout sale tongue.gif
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3400 € (= $4600) for 18 drivers, 1 FP14000 and other material (wood, screws, glue, cables etc.). I'm out, too. smile.gif

But a friend of mine built a damped SBA with 6 x 12" in bassreflex for about 500 €. SPL is enough for him. That's a really cost effective system.
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Hmmm. Interesting category. I do believe my entire sub system (not including JBL's) with amps came out to be ~$3,000.

You and I are bros in the 'Bang for the Buck' subcategory -- 4 FI 18's, 8 SI 18's, and 3 QSC DCA 1622's came in just under $3000. Leaving out the QSC Basis 922az dsp, of course... smile.gif
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Added some more people, and now 7 people off the list eek.gif

List is getting crazier by the second.

BTHz, just so you know, those of us "normals" with 5.1 setups think your thread topic should be re-named to "top twenty crazy people who are now deaf..."

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My system cost $3075. You know 30 drivers in a giant room can sound anemic compared to 4 drivers in a closet wink.gif Also, some of these drivers listed hardly have any excursion for down low so I would not count on them for the low stuff.
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BTHz, just so you know, those of us "normals" with 5.1 setups think your thread topic should be re-named to "top twenty crazy people who are now deaf..."

I'm not deaf!

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If, when you say systems, you are including the entire signal chain, Bosso's has to be better than 22nd. I would take that system over the rest.

Oh and mine would not even make the top 100 on here.
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I realize its just for fun but I'd be more interested in a list of top sub system under 3k. Tougher to quantify for sure. I do love top lists though cool.gif

I'd put my money on two uxl loaded Gjallarhorns and a clone for right at 3k. Two ultra loaded would be just over $4k. I have two lmsu loaded g-horns and they bring the thunder in my big open room.

There is a thread in the subwoofer forum that has a list going that has a decent way to measure subs against each other to arrive at the scoring.
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I didn't know QSC DCA amps could be used to power 18" subs. I have two DCA amps powered all 7 speakers in my HT.
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I like "top lists" because they give me something to go read and learn about. I really don't care who is #1 and #20 or even "runner up" because the order is subjective. I look at them all and see what they say about themselves. If you get upset about subjective ordering then that is a something you need to deal with. Glad the OP made this list because I just search for "threads started" by each of the people on the list and have a good read. Thanks again.

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8 Acoustic Elegance IB15 drivers - $1083.96

2 Face Audio F1200TS amps with 4400 watts - $1100

1 piece of plywood & PL Premium - $50

Dayton 4 conductor 13 gauge wire & Speakons - $125

2 manifold grills - $157.98

Total = $2516.94

Rather than go for massive power, my system is probably one of the most efficient systems. It only takes about 40-50 watts per driver to reach maximum excursion at 10 Hz. Also, since the drivers have an Fs of 16 Hz and Qts of .7, the room gain is higher than the rolloff. They need to be pulled down by about 10 dB at 10 Hz. Yet by having so much power on hand, they can still reach 130 dB from 30 Hz and up while staying within their excursion and thermal limits. I am -3dB at 6 Hz.

One thing not mentioned much here is the impedance curve of the drivers. My drivers have a 50 ohm impedance peak at 16 Hz. At 72 volts per channel, the amp will only be outputting 100 watts per driver (2 drivers/channel) at 16 Hz. From 9 Hz to 30 Hz, the drivers have an impedance above 8 ohms. When you combine the impedance curve, low Fs, Qts, and room gain you can see how the drivers won't bottom at the low end even with all the power I have available.

My mains are ported line source LS-6 speakers and each speaker has the displacement of a high excursion 13" driver. They are flat down to 20 Hz in room. I shade the subwoofers and mains over 3 octaves which provides unlimited (for me) headroom in the midbass.
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Of all the homes I've visited, desertdome's eight 15" sub infinite baffle system mounted in a crawl space attached to his suspended wooden floor has been the most tactile. We measured his system during that demo at 127dB peaks on my omnimic. I've measured a full 10dB hotter than that in some concrete slab rooms with my same omnimic, which of course is quite a significant difference in SPL, but I've never otherwise felt replicated his tactile floor bounce/rumbly feeling... His sub system was not the most capable in volume (I've heard dual orbit shifters, dual gjallarhorns, dual s2s, eight SI 18"s, etc), or even the best at recreating low ULF FR, but it was the most tactile. Of the group of enthusiasts that demoed his theater that day - all agreed with that tactile distinction - at least that I talked with. This due in most part to the suspended wooden floor. The couch literally felt like it was going to vibrate out from under you. FWIW.
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desertdome's bass setup is mighty impressive. The subs are mounted directly into the living room's suspended wooden floor on the main level in an older home. They are still to this day probably the most tactile subwoofer experience I've had, including the recent visit to popalock's with his 16 SI drivers which are handicapped in the arena of tactile feel becasue of Austin's concrete slab floor. Popalock's system goes much louder, Dual Orbit Shifters, as heard in the 2012 KC blind meet go much louder, other systems I mentioned in the post Michael quoted above have gone louder - - meaning you feel more spl pressure/accoustic energy on your body, but I'd still say nothing has replicated the spectacular tactile effect from the floor in desertdome's home.
It's a different type of tactile...
Popalock's sixteen subwoofers were making people's clothes move around with just accoustic energy like there was a fan pulsing on them. Bass was completely surrounding you, it was incredible!!! and I don't think desertdome's system could manage that - but in the realm of most tactile feel - I think Michael's system is going to be right up there at the top because of his suspended floor and direct mount design.

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"desertdome's bass setup is mighty impressive. The subs are mounted directly into the living room's suspended wooden floor on the main level in an older home."

ah, so he is getting twice the effect for the money...pressure coming from both sides of the floor!?

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If this list had an inverse I would be at the top!!!

Also, I believe this list should be renamed 'fist 20 people that will need hearing aids!'

wink.gif kidding - keep it up guys... I really wish you all shared my love for modifying cars for more hp/tq because some of you guys would have rocket ships!!
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The first thing I think of when I see 12, 16, 24, or 30 sub systems is that one could cut the cost, space, power consumption and reliability allotments in half and sacrifice just 6dbs. I'm hoping I don't have to build another pair for my eventual space.


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