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yes, running 20-90hz test tones. It only took me about 15 minutes to get it dialed in. I will do it again in a few days just to make sure the fully breaking in process doesn't change the numbers.

I take it, it was done using REW and a mic? I am about to dive into reading all about REW and doing some tests.
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I take it, it was done using REW and a mic? I am about to dive into reading all about REW and doing some tests.

I don't use rew anymore. I download test tones from here
http://www.audiocheck.net/audiofrequencysignalgenerator_sinetone.php

and measure each tone 20,30,40,etc. When I hooked it up and initially listened I could hear that the 40hz region was hot. Did the measuring and it was 8dbs hot and 70 hz was 7dbs hot(too much)

I boosted a few areas 2-3dbs, and lowered 40, and 70. THen re-ran all the tones and measure again. Sometimes it takes 4-5 run threws to get it balanced. I like the 60-70hz region about 3dbs warm to get extra chest thump.

I know rew is more exact but I think I get 90% there with this method and I don't think that you can hear the difference between rew and running your own test tones.
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I take it, it was done using REW and a mic? I am about to dive into reading all about REW and doing some tests.

When you do dive into it please take some notes. I'll be messing with all of this in about a week as well. I'm hoping that once I get through it I can put together a little how to on how to set things up (mainly on the inuke end ). I'll probably start a new thread and could use all the help I can get.

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When you do dive into it please take some notes. I'll be messing with all of this in about a week as well. I'm hoping that once I get through it I can put together a little how to on how to set things up (mainly on the inuke end ). I'll probably start a new thread and could use all the help I can get.

Will do, but I don't think I will be much help. I looked at some videos and read some stuff and most of it is still going right over my head. I read a bunch on one of the threads here that explains how to do it, simplified.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1449924/simplified-rew-setup-and-use-usb-mic-hdmi-connection-including-measurement-techniques-and-how-to-interpret-graphs
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I don't use rew anymore. I download test tones from here
http://www.audiocheck.net/audiofrequencysignalgenerator_sinetone.php

and measure each tone 20,30,40,etc. When I hooked it up and initially listened I could hear that the 40hz region was hot. Did the measuring and it was 8dbs hot and 70 hz was 7dbs hot(too much)

I boosted a few areas 2-3dbs, and lowered 40, and 70. THen re-ran all the tones and measure again. Sometimes it takes 4-5 run threws to get it balanced. I like the 60-70hz region about 3dbs warm to get extra chest thump.

I know rew is more exact but I think I get 90% there with this method and I don't think that you can hear the difference between rew and running your own test tones.

I may have overlooked it, and if I did, I apologize, but are any of you guys using a receiver with Audyssey XT32? Wouldn't that eliminate the need for all of the extra calibrating? It has 512x filter resolutions just for the subs.
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Zeus, I don't think he is using to adjust his receiver. He is using to adjust the DSP in the Behringer Amplifier. I don't have Audessey I have YPAO and it does have some PEQ functions for the sub but its very minor. I might be wrong but I think that is what he is using it for. I know its what I am looking to use it for as well. The receiver will handle all the measurements for the speakers and I will leave the adjusting for the subs to the Behringer DSP.
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I may have overlooked it, and if I did, I apologize, but are any of you guys using a receiver with Audyssey XT32? Wouldn't that eliminate the need for all of the extra calibrating? It has 512x filter resolutions just for the subs.

xt32 does do a good job of eq'ing subs. What it doesn't do is let you customize exactly what you want. WIth the behringer I can bump up or down frequencies that I prefer. I don't like the flat setting. Also the behringer has a really good hpf with different slopes.

If you have xt32 you definitely could buy just the inuke amp without dsp.
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Man do I have a lot to figure out :| . I have an onkyo 806 and plan on using the pre-amp sub out as an input for the inuke. So the onkyo has audessy and the inuke its own DSP. Any tips? So far I only have two klipsch RF3 towers and building the marty. 

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I may have overlooked it, and if I did, I apologize, but are any of you guys using a receiver with Audyssey XT32? Wouldn't that eliminate the need for all of the extra calibrating? It has 512x filter resolutions just for the subs.

Personally the XT32 on my Denon 2113 makes my frequency response worse - still looking into what is causing that. But with Rew I can achieve the curve that I want. XT32 does do well setting up the distance or delays.
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If you have xt32 you definitely could buy just the inuke amp without dsp.

You would still want the DSP feature or a miniDSP to put the HPF.
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Man do I have a lot to figure out :| . I have an onkyo 806 and plan on using the pre-amp sub out as an input for the inuke. So the onkyo has audessy and the inuke its own DSP. Any tips? So far I only have two klipsch RF3 towers and building the marty. 

What kind of tips are you looking for? Setting up the theater? Building the cube?

Chalugadp added my equipment list that i purchased on the first post - it includes a RCA to XLR adapter if that is what you are concerned about.
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Personally the XT32 on my Denon 2113 makes my frequency response worse - still looking into what is causing that. But with Rew I can achieve the curve that I want. XT32 does do well setting up the distance or delays.
You would still want the DSP feature or a miniDSP to put the HPF.

Your receiver has Audyssey MultEQ XT not XT32, there's a big difference between those two.

Audyssey MultEQ XT32 with Sub EQ HT is a totally different animal and that's the one most guys want.

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Your receiver has Audyssey MultEQ XT not XT32, there's a big difference between those two.

Audyssey MultEQ XT32 with Sub EQ HT is a totally different animal and that's the one most guys want.


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If your getting the inuke its worth the extra money for the dsp just for the hpf. Also in the future you might go the route of seperates and having the dsp may be needed.

Its a lot of fun to play around with the inuke dsp. Instant changes on the fly to tweak to your hearts delight.
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Personally the XT32 on my Denon 2113 makes my frequency response worse - still looking into what is causing that. But with Rew I can achieve the curve that I want. XT32 does do well setting up the distance or delays.
You would still want the DSP feature or a miniDSP to put the HPF.

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xt32 does do a good job of eq'ing subs. What it doesn't do is let you customize exactly what you want. WIth the behringer I can bump up or down frequencies that I prefer. I don't like the flat setting. Also the behringer has a really good hpf with different slopes.

If you have xt32 you definitely could buy just the inuke amp without dsp.

Thanks for the clarification.
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"So does anyone see any issues doing something similar to this with my build when I do it? I like the idea of downfiring because I have small kids and don't want them to go poking and playing around with the new speaker...ever! hahahaha...I will be using the SI 18 D2, I am assuming it doesn't have any issues with sagging in a downfiring configuration?

I haven't decided to do this for sure yet...I may just do the standard cube, inset the driver and make a speaker cover for it too ...that seems to keep them from messing with my currents subs.."

because the port is firing into the floor, the tuning **may** come in a single hz or so lower, no biggie.

it appears to be a great design and i'm sure that we will see more like it!

iirc i ran the numbers on the si18 and it came out right at 5% which should be fine as far as concerns about "sag".

Thanks, I'm still deciding if I want to do down-firing or not...but nice to know if I go that route there should be no issues...I think this thing is going to be a monster..I just got my SPEAKON cable...never having seen one before and the cable alone is already bigger than I thought..hahaha...I did put a cardboard box of the rough size in the place where it will go and it worked and looked fine though..

My wife was informed today of the new sub (when the cable showed up and she wondered what it was) that I would be building and she said, well for that money you could have just gotten the same sub my mom has ( the new version of the RW-12D) and I said...yeah, but it's not quite the same thing... (i didn't mention it's bigger too..haha)..she was happy with my two velodyne vx-11's and thought they were too loud...uh-oh.. eek.gif ..I was going to tell her, but this one will sound so much better at the same volume or less as the old ones..but wasn't going to get into it... smile.gif
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1) Full Marty (Green in graph) 2' by 2' by 4' ~ 17hz tuning in 11cuft box (1100 watts)
2) MiniMarty (Green in graph) 2' by 30" by 36" ~17hz tuning in 10cuft box (1100watts)
MiniMarty (Green in graph) 2' by 2' by 40" ~17hz tuning in 9cuft box (1100watts)
3) Martycube (Black in graph) 2' by 2',by 2' ~20hz tuning in 5 cuft box (1100 watts)
4) Just for fun the blue line in graph is 4cuft sealed sub (1100 watts)
5) Just for wows is the red line which is Martycube with Uxl18 driver (2200 watts)



I was wondering if this chart will look any different if the UXL was adjusted to 1100 watts like the SI 18 in the various configurations?
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Can someone explain what I am seein in this graph? I have the Marty cube. I'll be comepletely honest that I don't understand these graphs at all.biggrin.gif
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Thanks, I'm still deciding if I want to do down-firing or not...but nice to know if I go that route there should be no issues...I think this thing is going to be a monster..I just got my SPEAKON cable...never having seen one before and the cable alone is already bigger than I thought..hahaha...I did put a cardboard box of the rough size in the place where it will go and it worked and looked fine though..

My wife was informed today of the new sub (when the cable showed up and she wondered what it was) that I would be building and she said, well for that money you could have just gotten the same sub my mom has ( the new version of the RW-12D) and I said...yeah, but it's not quite the same thing... (i didn't mention it's bigger too..haha)..she was happy with my two velodyne vx-11's and thought they were too loud...uh-oh.. eek.gif ..I was going to tell her, but this one will sound so much better at the same volume or less as the old ones..but wasn't going to get into it... smile.gif

Oh just wait. I went from 2 rw-12d subs and right now just 1 18 is better than the 2 klipsch. Your going to love it.
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1) Full Marty (Green in graph) 2' by 2' by 4' ~ 17hz tuning in 11cuft box (1100 watts)
2) MiniMarty (Green in graph) 2' by 30" by 36" ~17hz tuning in 10cuft box (1100watts)
MiniMarty (Green in graph) 2' by 2' by 40" ~17hz tuning in 9cuft box (1100watts)
3) Martycube (Black in graph) 2' by 2',by 2' ~20hz tuning in 5 cuft box (1100 watts)
4) Just for fun the blue line in graph is 4cuft sealed sub (1100 watts)
5) Just for wows is the red line which is Martycube with Uxl18 driver (2200 watts)



I was wondering if this chart will look any different if the UXL was adjusted to 1100 watts like the SI 18 in the various configurations?
At half power the uxl would.be I believe 3dbs less.
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Since the Si d4 is no longer available and the dayton 18 is not DVC what driver are you modeling that will draw 1100w? The reason I ask is that I have built two Marty's and bought a 3000dsp that I wanted to wire two Dvc drivers at 2ohm loads for each channel of the amp. But now I am at a loss for what driver to use. Maybe the new Dvc Dayton driver that is supposed to be available April?
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Since the Si d4 is no longer available and the dayton 18 is not DVC what driver are you modeling that will draw 1100w? The reason I ask is that I have built two Marty's and bought a 3000dsp that I wanted to wire two Dvc drivers at 2ohm loads for each channel of the amp. But now I am at a loss for what driver to use. Maybe the new Dvc Dayton driver that is supposed to be available April?

You can run a single d2 off one inuke3000 and put the limiter on . Would need 2 inukes. Or wait for the. Dayton. I'm sure their are other options but I'm not a wiring pro.
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A couple of observations with dual cubes. Fighting scenes with punching are more visceral . Can really feel the kicks and crunches. Doors closing are more pronounced as well. Tomorrow my wife and kids are going over to the inlaws so I can really crank it then :thumbup:
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That's awesome about the second driver coming online for you. Are you just using the dsp on the inuke to balance them or do you have audyssey or something like it on your AVR? I guess I will just wait out the new Dayton drivers arrival.
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That's awesome about the second driver coming online for you. Are you just using the dsp on the inuke to balance them or do you have audyssey or something like it on your AVR? I guess I will just wait out the new Dayton drivers arrival.

I did the dsp on the second one by itself. Then I used the peq of my emotiva umc200 to do both at once. I am sure it will take a week or two to get it just how I like it. I like to tweak it a lot.
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For subs the si d2 is the equivalent of the ho for cheaper. I would then get the 6000dsp. Always good to have more power and you can always put the limiter on it like alphie does. Sorry about upgradeitis tongue.gif

Just ordered 2 of the SI D2 and a 6000dsp to power 2 Martycubes . Can't wait to hear them. Here's to hoping its a noticeable upgrade over my two dual opposed mfw15s.
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For subs the si d2 is the equivalent of the ho for cheaper. I would then get the 6000dsp. Always good to have more power and you can always put the limiter on it like alphie does. Sorry about upgradeitis tongue.gif

Just ordered 2 of the SI D2 and a 6000dsp to power 2 Martycubes . Can't wait to hear them. Here's to hoping its a noticeable upgrade over my two dual opposed mfw15s.

I think it will be . Let us know with pics wink.gif
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I work in dental offices and this ported subwoofer was in the office of a Doc that likely makes around a half a mil a year...  I seriously had to LOL.  the CD in the picture is not closer to the camera than the speaker, it is parallel to it.

 

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I am loving the dual subs. I have played all my demo stuff and finally I am happy with all scenes. There wasn't any clips that left me wondering , would it be better if I had a little more. My mains currently are the minions and they look pretty puny on the cubes. My focus now will be upgrading my mains. I have it narrowed down to the tempests and the tux 1099.
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I have a Dayton ultimax 15 inch sub. Can this be used in a marty enclosure?
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