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I have 3 modded dts 10's and am wanting opinions on adding 2 othorns in the mix. I feel like the dts-10's although modded are not giving me good bass when playing music. Im also looking for more punch in movies as well. Im adding 2 othorns to integrate into my system. Here is a photo with measurements taken off data bass. These measurements are for one of each so keep in mind I have 3 LMSR DTS-10 and would be adding 2 Othorns.


I have not been able to run rew or Omni mic since I don't know how. I am going to buy a Omni mic and try to upload a picture of the response.

There are a few people on this forum who own the othorn and really like it. Im just wondering if adding the 2 othorns will be a waste. What are you guys thoughts?
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Well, it would certainly give you 25hz and up! at 25hz dual Othorns would equal your 3 DTS-10r's so you will gain 6 dBs overall at 25hz and more than that above.
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Here is a chart showing one LMSR DTS-10 verses one Othorn 21.

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That means you will gain 3 dBs at 25hz rather than 6. At 31.5 hz and above you will gain much more.
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so you say go for it right.
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I hope I can play all 5 at the same time. I need someone to run rew and set all this up. Shoot anyone near Alabama?
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Honestly I would rather see two GH so you gain everywhere and not just midbass.
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Have you measured your response? It is unlikely that you lack output with two DTS-10s. It is more likely that you have response issues in the 50-150hz range causing you to feel like it is missing "punch".
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Honestly I would rather see two GH so you gain everywhere and not just midbass.

I spent a lot modding these to sell them I think. I looked on data bass and 3 of these modded equals 2 GH. I guess.
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I feel like the dts-10's although modded are not giving me good bass when playing music. Im also looking for more punch in movies as well.

I have not been able to run rew or Omni mic since I don't know how. I am going to buy a Omni mic and try to upload a picture of the response.
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Have you measured your response? It is unlikely that you lack output with two DTS-10s. It is more likely that you have response issues in the 50-150hz range causing you to feel like it is missing "punch".

Seems like this is a repeat of a thread some months back...

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Mk here is a graph with the GH added.



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Seems like this is a repeat of a thread some months back...

Yeah. I'm having Deja Vu.
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Seems like this is a repeat of a thread some months back...

Yeah well I don't know how to run REW and no one from this site who does lives close enough.
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I suggest the GH because it is DIY and anyone could get one built. Your DTS-10's are not available so getting 3 more of the same subs would be ideal. If you are selling the DTS-10's then I would think 4 GH's are your best options. You should not be having mid bass problems with 3 DTS-10's with LMSR's and Danley speakers. If you have a computer and a RS meter you can easily measure your response and be in the ballpark enough to figure things out. If you need to PM me and I will walk you through it. REW once setup is very easy.
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Yeah well I don't know how to run REW and no one from this site who does lives close enough.

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Im going to buy one
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If you pick up OmniMic, this community here could step you through the process. OmniMic is so easy, literally within a few minutes you can be measuring ... its really that simple.

Now interpreting those measurements and what actions to take are key, and we could help with that.

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MK im not sure if you understand I would be keeping my 3 dts 10 and adding these 2 othorns. I wonder how they will blend in.
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Wouldn't the othorns and dts10 have different delays (path length)? How would that work out?

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I know, I would build GH's so they all could cover the same range but measure first!
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Wouldn't the othorns and dts10 have different delays (path length)? How would that work out?

Oh yes, combined with the placement it might make the integration rather interesting.

I think the most important thing in this thread is a baseline or lack thereof.

kutlow, REW is not that difficult. You can probably figure it out in under 20 minutes never having seen it before. Yes, there are a ton of advanced features, but to simply take a measurement is pretty straightforward.
Without knowing what exactly what is or is not happening, you may just throwing more money at a problem where there isn't one or one that can be corrected through equalization.

Why not pick up the $100 mic from the mini-DSP site and grab an old laptop or computer and find out? I was running it well on a 8+ year old laptop without issue.

Either way, if you add Othorns you are going to have to measure and EQ to get the best out of your system. You might be worse off after adding them if you don't adjust phase and delay.

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Im holding off on my othorn build and going to try REW or Omni mic. Since I have the mini dsp balanced 2 x 4 wouldn't it be better for me to do rew than Omni mic? If so can someone provide a link to a mic for me to buy.
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Im holding off on my othorn build and going to try REW or Omni mic. Since I have the mini dsp balanced 2 x 4 wouldn't it be better for me to do rew than Omni mic? If so can someone provide a link to a mic for me to buy.

Nah, either will do.
I would buy a UMIK-1 and use REW, but that is just my preference.

If you don't' have a computer to use, you can always pick up a junker on ebay or some open box deal from Best Buy or equivalent.
It really doesn't take much at all, have tried on computers with 1-4 GB of RAM, XP, 7, 8.1, 32/64 bit, Pentium 4 to i7, and it works fine on all of them.

All you need is a free USB port and callibrated mic and free REW...

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jpmst3, all good info.

REW and a calibrated mic etc., would work, but I believe OmniMic may be best in this situation.

Either avenue taken, there's plenty of help around here to aid in determining what's going on.

As I shared with Kutlow in PM, three Danley Synergy tops, mated with three Danley subs, should cover essentially any venue with ample punch, from a HT to a club... as long as they're properly blended, summing correctly, etc, etc. The only deficiency to this system may be the lowest infra octaves below the sub's range. There's no subjective punch or impact down there.

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If you pick up OmniMic, this community here could step you through the process. OmniMic is so easy, literally within a few minutes you can be measuring ... its really that simple.

Now interpreting those measurements and what actions to take are key, and we could help with that.

I will personally hold you to those words when I begin my quest....wink.gif
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I will personally hold you to those words when I begin my quest....wink.gif

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REW and a calibrated mic etc., would work, but I believe OmniMic may be best in this situation.

Either avenue taken, there's plenty of help around here to aid in determining what's going on.

Ya, no matter. At this point anything is better than flying blind. I am curious to see the results.

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I have a laptop and just need to pic a mic. Since I already have the mini dsp balanced 2x4 shouldn't I buy the http://cross-spectrum.com/measurement/calibrated_umik.html? It would load all the changes for me right? If I buy this would anyone who has the same thing be willing to guide me on the phone of how to make a graph sweep and post it for you guys to evaluate?
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I don't know much about the OminiMic setup.

However, when you plug the mic into anything past Windows XP, the UMIK-1 drivers are installed automatically and when you fire up REW it automatically senses the UMIK-1, asks if you want to use it for measurements, then asks for the calibration file to load. It's about as simple as it gets, barring any OS issues you may have. Then it is simply a matter of a couple of clicks to take the measurements within REW.

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