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Interesting that you feel that more content comes from the left. I have noticed that for a LONG time in my room.

Back to the soundstage thing. Even though my image is dead centered like you said about yours, I often feel like a bit more content comes from the left. It's not louder...but often I fell like I can hear the cymbals more clearly on the left side of the soundstage. This makes me think it's my hearing but I was tested recently and my hearing is very good. Not all music has this slight left thing going on, but it does happen.

Carp, the left/right balance of instruments is "designed" during the mixdown in the studio. Between the engineer(s), the producer(s) and the band members, where things get "placed" in the mix is decided. In my recording studio days, and being a drummer myself, I used to put the hi-hats panned to the left and had the toms and other drums panned appropriately from left to right to re-create my left/right hearing perspective while sitting behind my drum kit. Also, the overhead mics used to record cymbals and the "ambiance" of the kit would be panned left and right. Others would prefer to set things up from an audience perspective, which if the band's drummer is a traditional right handed player, would have the hi-hats on the right side of the mix. Others set things up without such a logical "realistic" approach.
For flushing out what is actually happening in your room with the left side, FOH's suggestion of using pink noise would be much more accurate than relying on whatever some crazy recording engineer panned this way or that. biggrin.gif
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Carp, the left/right balance of instruments is "designed" during the mixdown in the studio. Between the engineer(s), the producer(s) and the band members, where things get "placed" in the mix is decided. In my recording studio days, and being a drummer myself, I used to put the hi-hats panned to the left and had the toms and other drums panned appropriately from left to right to re-create my left/right hearing perspective while sitting behind my drum kit. Also, the overhead mics used to record cymbals and the "ambiance" of the kit would be panned left and right. Others would prefer to set things up from an audience perspective, which if the band's drummer is a traditional right handed player, would have the hi-hats on the right side of the mix. Others set things up without such a logical "realistic" approach.
For flushing out what is actually happening in your room with the left side, FOH's suggestion of using pink noise would be much more accurate than relying on whatever some crazy recording engineer panned this way or that. biggrin.gif


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Funny thing is, I brought several NOHO's with me (Think no-hangover...NOHO, looks like a 5 hr energy). Never managed to take one.... First mistake. Second, didn't eat a whole lot. The fog is lifting though boys, just in time for a Children of Bodom and Death Angel show tonight at the the local venue biggrin.gif

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Had a chance this weekend to listen to Brandon's setup. If I may quote Mr. Bossobass, it sounded "OUTSTANDING." Well done, sir!
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Had a chance this weekend to listen to Brandon's setup. If I may quote Mr. Bossobass, it sounded "OUTSTANDING." Well done, sir!

+1...the Corinthians are nothing short of stellar! The balance of sound in The Beast's room is remarkable...it's really a testimate to how far quality planning and room treatment can take you. One a side note, work sux today..I've yet to demo one new piece of HT gear since I got here this morning.
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I echo Chop and Gorilla's statements above.

I have to say that was my first time in such a dead room and I absolutely loved it! I'd love to see some waterfall graphs sometime because I felt Beast's decay was really on point and everything blended phenomenally. I think the most impressive part to me (besides the SH-50 goodness) was the fact that his SI 18's were only getting like 400 watts a piece...and they totally killed it.

With a bit extra juice they will definitely be able to hang with the Danley's a bit better when being pushed hard.

Should make for an even MORE intense experience for your guests.

Do you still have your room in disarray man? If so, you should post up a pic to remind us how bad we should feel for leaving you hanging...lol

 

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Why not getting more power? Are Crest amps needed somewhere??...biggrin.gif

No....

We switched out his D2's with D4's and now he can take advantage of BOTH channels of his IPR7500.

Nice try Blah! He's good on power.

 

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Yep, just tested it last night. Power for days.... Now onto some more demanding material, and I can report back again.

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No....

We switched out his D2's with D4's and now he can take advantage of BOTH channels of his IPR7500.

Nice try Blah! He's good on power.

D4's to save the day, yet again.


Feels good. I know. biggrin.gif

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We switched out his D2's with D4's and now he can take advantage of BOTH channels of his IPR7500.

Does this mean he bought new D4's or did he get them reconed or what? I would love to trade up my pair of D2's for a set of D4's.
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No....

We switched out his D2's with D4's and now he can take advantage of BOTH channels of his IPR7500.

Nice try Blah! He's good on power.

Ha, popa...you were all over that...wink.gif
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Does this mean he bought new D4's or did he get them reconed or what? I would love to trade up my pair of D2's for a set of D4's.

I had a few on hold for whenever I was able to do the switch.

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D4's to save the day, yet again.


Feels good. I know. biggrin.gif

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Damn you guys with your American branded amps and your dual 4 ohm voicecoils...

Starting my first DIY venture with LMS-U's, I kinda pigeonholed myself into picking up an amp that was capable of serious power @ 4ohm per channel. I hate to say this, but...

Huuuuhhhh....

You win Scott...

D4's FTW....
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I dont think you have a thing to worry about however dude biggrin.gif You have the bass base covered smile.gif

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Damn you guys with your American branded amps and your dual 4 ohm voicecoils...

Starting my first DIY venture with LMS-U's, I kinda pigeonholed myself into picking up an amp that was capable of serious power @ 4ohm per channel. I hate to say this, but...

Huuuuhhhh....

You win Scott...

D4's FTW....

Hahaha! Lol.

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I dont think you have a thing to worry about however dude biggrin.gif You have the bass base covered smile.gif

Aww, yeah. Exactly. No worries. You are covered well beyond my capabilities, my friends.

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I dont think you have a thing to worry about however dude biggrin.gif You have the bass base covered smile.gif

Yeah, bass is covered...but got no damn warranty man!!!!

 

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Love the setup. I'm studying it a lot because my theater dimensions will be almost exactly the same as yours.

How many surrounds do you have? It's hard to see any more than the one pair.

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Love the setup. I'm studying it a lot because my theater dimensions will be almost exactly the same as yours.

How many surrounds do you have? It's hard to see any more than the one pair.
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I can't stress how big of an improvement was made by stacking my subs and getting them at the 1/4 points. I was just talking to Carp about it. I do give up a little with room smoothing with this approach, but it isn't much and those that attended this weekend will attest to that. The sheer output and efficiency of this method is the end-all for me.

I have a full 7.1 system, sides surrounds and then the rears are on the back wall. I want to try pulling the surrounds off the back wall and get them a little closer, but with 2 rows and a bar, I don't have many options. When watching movie clips and having the rears level matched to get 75dB's at the front row, the bar (third row) gets assaulted by surround sound, but if I have a full theater, I just cut the rears off. For 95% of the time, it is just enough people to fill the first two rows (5) and be perfectly happy.

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I can't stress how big of an improvement was made by stacking my subs and getting them at the 1/4 points. I was just talking to Carp about it. I do give up a little with room smoothing with this approach, but it isn't much and those that attended this weekend will attest to that. The sheer output and efficiency of this method is the end-all for me.

I have a full 7.1 system, sides surrounds and then the rears are on the back wall. I want to try pulling the surrounds off the back wall and get them a little closer, but with 2 rows and a bar, I don't have many options. When watching movie clips and having the rears level matched to get 75dB's at the front row, the bar (third row) gets assaulted by surround sound, but if I have a full theater, I just cut the rears off. For 95% of the time, it is just enough people to fill the first two rows (5) and be perfectly happy.



Thanks for your advice, I think I'm gonna take it. cool.gif Plus I really like how they look stacked from floor to ceiling. smile.gif

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I can't stress how big of an improvement was made by stacking my subs and getting them at the 1/4 points. I was just talking to Carp about it. I do give up a little with room smoothing with this approach, but it isn't much and those that attended this weekend will attest to that. The sheer output and efficiency of this method is the end-all for me.

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I loved your rear surrounds! Using your restroom was an experience.

 

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Nice! I got excellent results with my triple stack of up front. My subs don't reach up quite as high as your top ones do. I think there is just under four feet left to the ceiling but still the top drivers are ~6ft off the ground.

Would be interesting to treat the rear of the room in a similar fashion. I guess you have that covered though ... or.... is the XXX18 still part of the system? Almost seems like small potatoes considering what you just had there this weekend. tongue.gif

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Nice! I got excellent results with my triple stack of up front. My subs don't reach up quite as high as your top ones do. I think there is just under four feet left to the ceiling but still the top drivers are ~6ft off the ground.

Would be interesting to treat the rear of the room in a similar fashion. I guess you have that covered though ... or.... is the XXX18 still part of the system? Almost seems like small potatoes considering what you just had there this weekend. tongue.gif

The shadow is retired after this weekend. We didn't even demo it since I pulled one of the RE's for a little out of box comparo to the Ultra and the 24. It was shaking the house in all the wrong places and as most would contest, It doesn't seem necessary with the "front stage" that I am currently running. Seems a shame to put a baby REXXX18 in the corner anyways....

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