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Hey guys! Many suggested that I seek help and advice in the DIY section, so here I am. smile.gif

I'm convinced that DIY is the way for me to go. I'm also convinced that sealed is the way to go.

I just tried SVS's 45 day trial of both their PB-1000 and PB-2000, both of which I am complimentary of, but they simply weren't enough. The PB-2000 was sometimes quite impressive, but had noticeable "chuffing" on lower bass scenes.

At max, with the SPL measured about a foot in front of the driver was 120db(corner loaded), and at about 2 meters out at the MLP it was 110db.(corner loaded)

I would like more output than that in a sealed enclosure. Basically, my question is where to start. What drivers would you recommend, what amps, what enclosures.. all of that. I currently only have $800, but I plan on spending more, and I have a very flexible budget to achieve what is in my mind, satisfactory woofage. It would be fantastic to have something for less than $2000 that could be very enjoyable in the meantime, that I could add on to.

Some have recommended in the other forums the UXL-18, and the LMS 5400 Ultra, but they still recommended I look here for either more suggestions, or affirmation that one of those would be a good solution for me.

My room is 10x14x8. (MLP is around 11.5 feet from front wall)

Any help appreciated! biggrin.gif

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Is there a box size you are trying to stay with or subwoofer size?
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Two martycubes with uxl drivers are awesome and would destroy the pb2000. The uxl18 with 2200 watts from inuke amp would slightly best the pb13 ultra. If you have the tools just follow my instructions on post one of martysub flatpacks . In that small room it would be devastating .
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Is there a box size you are trying to stay with or subwoofer size?

I can fit 30 inches in width on both sides(for duals), and around 26 inches deep. Height isn't an issue.

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Two martycubes with uxl drivers are awesome and would destroy the pb2000. The uxl18 with 2200 watts from inuke amp would slightly best the pb13 ultra. If you have the tools just follow my instructions on post one of martysub flatpacks . In that small room it would be devastating .

Exactly what I was going to say, or at least close enough. I have a very open area the martycubes are are loud enough to almost take yoru breath away, literally. They are loud and about 1/2 of your budget.
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He wants a sealed setup...

You can get 2 Dayton rss460ho 18s and an inuke6000 for around $900ish I think. I don't remember the amp price off the top of my head but there's a thread here about them. That obviously doesn't include cabinets/wood/paint/etc

There may be other subs in that price range but I haven't been keeping up.
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Guys, thanks for the suggestion, but I'm actually looking for sealed.

Any idea what the RSS460HO would play at?

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go for sealed uxl-18's
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Guys, thanks for the suggestion, but I'm actually looking for sealed.

Any idea what the RSS460HO would play at?

Dayton HO compared to UM-18 if that is what you're looking at.................red HO.........blue UM

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Guys, thanks for the suggestion, but I'm actually looking for sealed.

Any idea what the RSS460HO would play at?

We know, I think its just that we are all so in love with the martycube that we want to push it on people. Doesn't hurt to try. smile.gif
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Dayton HO compared to UM-18 if that is what you're looking at.................red HO.........blue UM

Well who on earth wouldn't by the UM over the HO! that's significantly higher deeper bass. I see you have four of them eh? Nice setup there.

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We know, I think its just that we are all so in love with the martycube that we want to push it on people. Doesn't hurt to try. smile.gif

Well thanks again! I just for some reason seem to prefer the sound of sealed actually. Maybe it's just me, but it seems to have a different sound to the drum kicks and such.

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Since I'm going to do a build and was thinking perhaps sealed still, will subscribe. I do have room for a full size Marty Sub but haven't but briefly checked out the Marty Cube yet....off to find the thread shortly! It might be a better starter to do two sealed 18" singles instead too. Decisions decisions. Curious, was just looking at the original Marty Sub thread and saw no mention of the UM-18....assume it can be substituted in the Marty series for the HO-18?

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AFAIK no one has the UM-18 yet. That's why I didn't bring it up. For that matter it may never exist. I tend to stick to drivers that are available when recommending to people new to DIY or you end up with discouragement.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1500023/dayton-audio-um18-22-18-ultimax-to-be-released/270

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Release date on um 18 was pushed to mid may last I knew.
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Hmm.. maybe I should be considering the Martycube/Full Marty after all.. rolleyes.gif I've been checking out the threads, seems quite impressive! eek.gif
How's port noise/chuffing?

Any reason other than size why one wouldn't go for the Full Marty over the Martycube?

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No port noise, no chuffing. I don't know the exact difference but maybe Chaluga will chime in soon. He had both and last I heard I think he chucked the full marty out of his balcony or off his deck. So many of them being built right now, maybe you can find someone close that has one and go listen to it.
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Mid May might work, didn't notice they're not "in stock" (shows 5/22 right now). Was also thinking about two sealed 18's using the HO or SI driver or maybe even a dual opposed monster. Specs on the Marty Sub are pretty impressive, tho....

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I've thought about swapping my 2 HO dual opposed cabs to 4 Marty's but I've been too busy.

I'd get the UM-18 no question if they were in stock. However, they've already pushed the date out and may again. Who knows...
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Have you seen these:

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/subwoofer-flatpacks-2.html


Downloadable FREE demo discs:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1475769/de...ently-authored 

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Have you seen these:
http://www.diysoundgroup.com/subwoofer-flatpacks-2.html

Yes! Not sure what would be the best option though. I see they removed the option for the 18 inch that they used to have on the 4 cu ft box..

I'm still not sure about ported.. I mean, you do get more bang for your buck, but below that tuning point, it's all gone.
I'm a bit concerned too, because I seem to even prefer the quality of sound from my Atlantic Technology 422SB sub which doesn't have a lot of power or SPL, and is only flat down to like 30hz, But it has a quality I even enjoy more than my PB2000.. even though the output is significantly less.

I just can't decide which driver.. nor what flatpack would be best.

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Yes! Not sure what would be the best option though. I see they removed the option for the 18 inch that they used to have on the 4 cu ft box..
 

No, they didn't:

From http://www.diysoundgroup.com/subwoofer-flatpacks-2/4-sub-flat-pack.html

"I will be getting more of the boxes cut for the Dayton 18" woofer very soon."


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Two martycubes with uxl drivers are awesome and would destroy the pb2000. The uxl18 with 2200 watts from inuke amp would slightly best the pb13 ultra. If you have the tools just follow my instructions on post one of martysub flatpacks . In that small room it would be devastating .

I believe this has been discussed and yes the UXL will only slightly beat the PB-13 ultra in output but it will be doing that with a SIGNIFICANTLY lower amount of distortion. Plus, it can be done for a lot cheaper. I would like to compliment SVS though, that 45 day trial is one hell of an offering they provide. That is one of the only downfalls to DIY, if you don't like what you just built than you are responsible for trying to sell it which can be hard. Although there is so much value in DIY that it is fairly rare that someone is completely disappointed with the outcome, unless it is builder error. smile.gif
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Hmm.. maybe I should be considering the Martycube/Full Marty after all.. rolleyes.gif I've been checking out the threads, seems quite impressive! eek.gif
How's port noise/chuffing?

Any reason other than size why one wouldn't go for the Full Marty over the Martycube?

Never had any port noise or chuffing on any martysub . Either sealed or ported will kill it in your room. It depends on what your goals are. My room is over twice the size of yours and two marty's is plenty for me. If your gut tells you sealed then go with that.
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No, they didn't:
From http://www.diysoundgroup.com/subwoofer-flatpacks-2/4-sub-flat-pack.html
"I will be getting more of the boxes cut for the Dayton 18" woofer very soon."

Right, I saw that, but I believe the cutout for the SI 18" fit the LMS Ultra at least. I don't believe the Dayton cutout does. How about the UXL? Will that fit in the Dayton 18" cutout?
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I believe this has been discussed and yes the UXL will only slightly beat the PB-13 ultra in output but it will be doing that with a SIGNIFICANTLY lower amount of distortion. Plus, it can be done for a lot cheaper. I would like to compliment SVS though, that 45 day trial is one hell of an offering they provide. That is one of the only downfalls to DIY, if you don't like what you just built than you are responsible for trying to sell it which can be hard. Although there is so much value in DIY that it is fairly rare that someone is completely disappointed with the outcome, unless it is builder error. smile.gif

Haha, I'm praying I won't have a builder error! My biggest concern is blowing the driver in intense lower frequency scenes.
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Never had any port noise or chuffing on any martysub . Either sealed or ported will kill it in your room. It depends on what your goals are. My room is over twice the size of yours and two marty's is plenty for me. If your gut tells you sealed then go with that.

My gut does tell me sealed! I appreciate your input. Glad the Marty subs are doing so well! biggrin.gif

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