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Alright guys I'm no audio expert but I've learned a ton about audio in the past couple years. Its something that I really took a huge intrest in and want to take it to the next level, so what better than a complete speaker build!. I am currently very happy with the system I have, I'm doing this build mostly because my interest in the hobby so it will prolly take me a couple years to get it all done (which is fine with me)

First of all my room dimensions are 14x19x9. I have an abundance of wood working tools so that is defimatly not an issue.

I'm gonna put a budget of 5k but that could move a lil over time.

As far as speakers go I really have no knowledge of what I'm looking for. I know I want towers up front because I like the look but they don't nessecerly have to be true full range speakers but like them to be flat into the 40s incase i want to listen to music with my subs off.

For the subs I don't know a whole lot either. I've always had ported and really like them. Iv been looking into the Marty cubes and its definatly the size and style I'm into. I really want to put a lot into the subs as I consider myself a bass head. I could go duals or even quads
If I had to. Would love 18s

dont have to worry much about WAF as mines pretty undetstamding .

What things should I be looking into as far as planning goes first?

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All ththere are subs I liked physically and would work dimension wise

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Speakers I liked ...

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Ascend acoustics 170se rear SS

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My current setup

Yamaha rxv373

Ascend acoustics cbm 340se mains
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Ascend acoustics 170se rear SS

Rythmik lv12r
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A $5k budget with 5 speakers and 2 or 4 subs? Or a pair of speakers and subs? What about sub amps, is that excluded from the budget? Music only or HT; you say you want to get to 40hz for music?

I'm going to assume for now we're talking about 5.4 without amps. You seem to like the statements for speakers. But I'm not sure that's the best performance you can do. This seems rude to suggest, but I'm building a dual 12" TMM right now that I think would make a nice tower, unless you're not a fan of the look of a horn. Some people aren't.

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For subs, people have their own opinions about ported or sealed. What it comes down to is bandwidth (5hz rumble) or SPL (kaboom). If the later, then ported is a good idea, but you'll miss out on some ultra low frequency effects. No space concerns, so ya, grab a couple 18"s and pick ported or sealed!
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Well say 5k for 5 speakers and and 2 subs plus amps.

50/50 music and movies.

Also my room is not sealed so I think I'll lean toward ported subs.

Yes I'd like to be in the 40s for music because sometimes I leave the subs off. If I can do better then great! I'm just not gonna stress low freqs from my mains to much because I'll have plenty in the sub department

Could I get I'm the low teens with ported 18s?

I don't mind the looks of a horn but they seem to fatigue my ears a lot (especially kipsch) but right now if I were to buy new speakers I would prolly have jtr noesis 228s

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Four Martycube's would cover the bass from 15hz and up. If your looking for 5 to 15 hz power then sealed is better.
With your budget id build 3 tux 1099 and 2 volt coaxial for surrounds. With the four cubes , amps and all its under 5k
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Would it be possible to do 2marty cubes and use my fv15hps in the rear corner or would they just end up being the bottleneck?

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Those 1099s look pretty impressive!

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So is the box for the 1099 compatable with difrent speakers or are Therese the tweeters and woofers that work well the specific dimensions of this box? Sorry for my lack of knowledge on the subject lol

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The box can be changed a little, but the baffle has to remain the same. And the 1099 isn't the greatest full range. It'll do it but not well. Cut off around 50hz but has a slow downward slope to there. Not flat to 50. That is its biggest weakness. It does very well at most everything else. So it depends how much that 40hz thing matters.

I think the statements will blow your budget. And they ain't gonna keep up with 4 or even 2 Marty subs.
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OK I was more wondering if the speakers could be changed as long as they were the same size diameter.

Anyone else have any speaker or sub recommendations?

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With four cubes or any subs you don't need bass below 80hz. Cross the 1099 at 80 and it will be fine.
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Do you have a acoustic transparent screen where you can fit a tower speaker for the center? or do you need a small center speaker to fit above or below your screen.

You would get a better freq response with the sub's spread out and enabled for music listening.
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Yeah I wasn't counting the 1099s and martys out I was just looking for any other ideas.

40hz isn't a must. I just said that cause I listen with subs off for music when listening to below average levels and don't wanna run subs.

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Do you have a acoustic transparent screen where you can fit a tower speaker for the center? or do you need a small center speaker to fit above or below your screen.

You would get a better freq response with the sub's spread out and enabled for music listening.

I'm going to build a new entertainment center to accommodate the center channel speaker.

Guys I understand its better to have my subs on when listening to music but sometimes I leave them off. I leave them off when my son is sleeping and also when I'm playing music early in the morning and don't wanna disturb neighbors and stuff like that

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Ah ok, ya you can't change the woofer. It won't work right. The blue turns a lot of people off. Doesn't bother me but I get it. Part of why I'm building those towers I showed above is aesthetics and 40hz capability. Sometimes you have requirements that are personal and that's ok.
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Idk if I could get a full tower in but it could be a pretty good size. Any of the centers above would prolly work

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My current setup

One thing that will drive you a little crazy once you start down the rabbit hole of DIY, is why you ever spent that kind of cash on dual FV15HP's when you could of built something just as good for half the price...lol

At least that's what I thought to myself having originally owned dual PSA XS30's and now having more bass then I could have every dreamed of having with the XS30.

Although back ordered two months, two UXL-18's in Marty cubes powered by an iNuke 6000DSP would give you more bass then dual FV15HP's for a little more then half the price.

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Are the ulx 18s the way to go? I head somewhere many ppl were bottoming them out...

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If it were me, and I was in for 50/50 music/theater, I would strongly consider the Statements as they can definitely be used without a sub(s) and sound wonderful for music and theater alike! You can get a pair of Statements in kit form for around a grand. The Statement center channel will run you another $350 or so,

That would leave room for duel MartyCube's loaded with Dayton HO18's powered by an iNuke3000dsp.

For the rears, I would just go with something cheap such as the V8's, which assuming your AVR or pre/pro has surround level trims, they can be turned down so as to not overpower the LCR Statements due to the V8's having more sensitivity.

So the total would break down like this:

Statements (kit) $1,000
Statement Center Channel $350
V8 Surrounds $280 (approx)
Dayton HO18's x 2: $500
Behringer iNuke3000dsp: $260
Total: $2,390

This comes in seriously under budget and would provide some of the best sound quality! You would seriously have to spend quadruple what this setup would cost, (or more!), in the regular commercial speaker world to even come close to this!
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Are the ulx 18s the way to go? I head somewhere many ppl were bottoming them out...

Really? There should be zero reason to bottom them out, that's why you use a DSP to put a high pass filter in place to keep that from happening.

Yes I highly recommend the UXL-18, what's not to like about it. Beautiful carbon fiber cone and dust cap, down only about 1-2dB below 20hz compared to the mighty LMS-U yet has the same amount of advantage over 20hz but cost roughly half the price.

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Really? There should be zero reason to bottom them out, that's why you use a DSP to put a high pass filter in place to keep that from happening.

Yes I highly recommend tche UXL-18, what's not to like about it. Beautiful carbon fiber cone and dust cap, down only about 1-2dB below 20hz compared to the mighty LMS-U yet has the same amount of advantage over 20hz but cost roughly half the price.

Nice thanks for the feedback! I'm not sure where I saw that but I'll try and find out who quoted it and the reason behind it

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Hey guys as I thought more about it, it might be wise for me to just build mains and a center then move my 340s to middle as and leave my 170s to do rear surround.. what do you all think? That would leave more money for me to do more subs of just better subs or mains. Or even enough to buy my denon x 4000 so I can run a 7.? System

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Wow thanks for all the info! Any other sub ideas? Sky's the limit on my subs! I want em to be the most impressive part of my build. I'm going to stick with dual 18s for now and could always add if needed

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Did anyone ever figure out his to build the Marty sub using the ulx18 and I think 24x24x30 dimessions making it port tuned to 17hz with similar performance of a cap 2400 using 2000watts?

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Yes I built a flatpack for Lemans with the UXL and those measurements.
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Do u have pics?

What were your thoughts/impressions of the overall performance?

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Here's one picture, but I haven't heard any reports back from Lemans on how it performs.


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