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Make sure to set the Sony to linear PCM. I have the 2040 or whatever it is called. I factory reset the Sherbourn and I works great.

Definitely Linear PCM. By the way, when you say Sherbourn, what model?
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I have the Sherbourn 2040 or something like that. Try reconnecting all the HDMI sources again. Minidsp said to do this in a certain order for a good handshake.

Turn on your projector or TV
Turn on your Sherbourn(make sure it is ready or give it 10 seconds)
Turn on your nano
Turn on your source
Next source.

They said it works best in that order. Does the minidsp 8x8 work like this? If I get one it has to be balanced.

Ok on a side note I measured my near field and I have much less rolloff than the last one indicated but it almost seems too good. I had my UMIK 1 inch or less away from a woofer and my response was all over unless I applied smoothing. Anyways with the cal files given I am only down 6 dBs from 20 to 10hz and without any cal files I am down 9 dBs. The last one showed a 16 dBs rolloff from 20-10 which I thought was more than expected. What gives? I bypassed the nano to get my near field as the computer would not pass through it again but my PS3 worked great. UGH!

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The MiniDSP does not have the handshake issue of the NanoAVR because it operates on analog signals, which means adding an analog to digital to analog conversion in the mix that I was hoping to bypass. I do have a MiniDSP 10x10HD that I'll use if I can't get the NanoAVR working reliably.

And I searched for Sherbourn 2040 and couldn't find any equipment with that number. No big deal, I'll find out soon enough if my 7030 and new Oppo will work with the NanoAVR.
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It is the model before yours

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Ok so I was off a little, it is the 7020.

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Just thought I'd post that I was able to get the NanoAVR working since I received my Oppo 103 today. I'll use it over the next few weeks to make sure the handshake issues are gone.
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I am having trouble with my computer being seen without the nano in the chain LOL! Maybe it is something with the 7020, HDMI cable, who knows. I hooked up the sunfire amp tonight but I could not measure it. I just used my existing nano settings hopefully thinking amps are flat to begin with. The levels are a bit off though and I am running all Xlr cables now even to my fp14k and it is dead silent, nothing! Very excited about this alone. I have measure and EQ or set levels, change from 7.1 to 5.1 Imax style, and finish box number two for Luke.

Yes, they will get out tomorrow or Friday. I have a wake to go to tomorrow as my wife's Dad passed from a massive heart attack, he was 64 God rest his soul. She has been strong so far.

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Sorry to hear for the loss in your family. Best wishes.

Maybe swap out some HDMIs for new ones. Be nice if it was just that simple

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Condolences MK
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Condolences MK

Sorry to hear about your family's loss MK.

By the way, I did some work with the NanoAVR tonight including getting the Sony BDP-S3100 bluray player working...after I had received my new Oppo 103. Ughh.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1528209/nanoavr-8x8-hdmi-audio-processor-official-thread/90#post_24746615
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I am having trouble with my computer being seen without the nano in the chain LOL! Maybe it is something with the 7020, HDMI cable, who knows. I hooked up the sunfire amp tonight but I could not measure it. I just used my existing nano settings hopefully thinking amps are flat to begin with. The levels are a bit off though and I am running all Xlr cables now even to my fp14k and it is dead silent, nothing! Very excited about this alone. I have measure and EQ or set levels, change from 7.1 to 5.1 Imax style, and finish box number two for Luke.

Yes, they will get out tomorrow or Friday. I have a wake to go to tomorrow as my wife's Dad passed from a massive heart attack, he was 64 God rest his soul. She has been strong so far.

I had nothing but trouble with my 7020. Ended up just ebaying it and going with a yamaha rx-a3000
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I wonder how the NanoAVR works with the Emotiva UMC-200? Also, from the looks of things, and with my research, it's pretty much a crapshoot whether or not the NanoAVR will work with any BluRay player. I would really like to order one of these, but the last thing I need is a headache wrt setup.
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Thanks guys.

BTW. when I said dead silent I meant no sound whatsoever, ho hiss, hum, nada at very loud levels, better than the Sony and probably quieter than anything else I have tried. I am running all XLR cables and the 7020 is just a D/A converter and switcher as all processing and delays, bass management, everything, is done through the Nano. This is like the anti audiophile as it removes high end processing and adds EQ! The Sunfire is an awesome amp for sure, never knew why I never tried one before. I still can't really tell a difference in sound quality except the noise floor. My only problem is getting my computer to pass through anything, not only the Nano. This is exactly the opposite with the Sony(for sale). The Sony worked with everything but the bluray movies. The 7020 works with everything but with the computer which I need to measure crying out loud. It works sometimes and then does not. Last night it would not work even with the Nano out of the loop! Seems like HDMI for sure.

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What did you do to get it working now? Just plug things back in?

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I wonder how the NanoAVR works with the Emotiva UMC-200? Also, from the looks of things, and with my research, it's pretty much a crapshoot whether or not the NanoAVR will work with any BluRay player. I would really like to order one of these, but the last thing I need is a headache wrt setup.

Well, with the right setting, it is now working with my somewhat crappy Sherbourn PT-7030. One thing that I should point out is that I was using the original firmware when I was doing my testing as I didn't find the new firmware initially and actually did that last before I posted to the NanoAVR official thread. Once I read the instructions, I was able to connect to upgrade the firmware and then I was able to find and install the firmware.

So with the original firmware I did have issues with the Sony bluray but NOT once I disabled the 24p Bluray Output setting. Other than that I haven't had a single handshake issue and trust me, my Sherbourn PT-7030 isn't exactly a master of those things itself.

If you're happy with Audyssey then I'd say you don't need the NanoAVR unless you want more control. But knowing you Marty (from all of your DIY posts), you'd want the power, which the NanoAVR has in spades. For the price, it is one of the best pieces of equipment for the price in any HT using 7 speakers or less.

I will caveat everything by saying I've only been using it for a couple days but it is an impressive piece of kit.
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Thanks guys.

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What did you do to get it working now? Just plug things back in?

2 things:

1. Bought an Oppo 103 and that worked with no issues.
2. Found a post that said I needed to disable Bluray 24p Output. Once I did that, the Sony BDP-S3100 worked like a charm making the Oppo 103 I bought unneeded. Except I think the LPCM sound is better from the Oppo...but I plan to try some settings and do some A/B to figure out if that truly is the case. If I can get the sound of the Sony to equal the Oppo then I'll likely sell the Oppo to a friend that is considering buying one. If I can't get the Sony to sound as good by messing with settings, I'm giving it to a different friend. smile.gif

Realize that I was able to get everything working on the original firmware. I didn't upgrade the firmware until about 3:45 am this morning after I had been playing with the NanoAVR for a couple days. Didn't find the firmware initially as it is in a different folder in the initial install download.
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I wonder if I have the original firmware? I wonder why my computer is not being seen though? I Plugged the Sony in just to see if it worked with the computer and it did, then when I plugged the 7020 in it worked, like the Sony showed my computer how to connect. Then the next day the Sherbourn did not work again. Of course I can't just swapping Sony for 7020. I wonder if I turn off 24p if the Sony will work, the Sony worked on everything but the Blu-ray movies.

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What is this 24P setting on that you guys are talking about on your BluRay players?
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I don't know what the setting does but here it is in Screen Settings --> BD-ROM 24p Output --> Must turn Off.
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It's to play Blurays at 24 FPS which is how they are mastered.

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It's to play Blurays at 24 FPS which is how they are mastered.

So that setting has Auto, On, and Off. Any ideas what turning that setting off does? Doesn't make sense that they would play at some arbitrary fps. I didn't see a quality difference with the NanoAVR in the mix but I'll look again tonight.
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Auto would output 24 fps only when it sees that signal. Difference can be hard to see. Check to see what your projector reverts to.

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So will turning off the 24fps cause any degrading of sound quality? Would turning off the 24fps make those BluRay movies lossy instead of lossless when listening to a DDTrueHD or DTS-MA encoded disk? Basically what I am trying to figure out is what effect turning that setting off has on the sound quality.
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It has no effect on SQ it's a video setting.

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So will turning off the 24fps cause any degrading of sound quality? Would turning off the 24fps make those BluRay movies lossy instead of lossless when listening to a DDTrueHD or DTS-MA encoded disk? Basically what I am trying to figure out is what effect turning that setting off has on the sound quality.

Agreed. Completely video setting. Audio has to be LPCM for the NanoAVR to work. You'd think the LPCM output would be pretty standard and shouldn't affect sound quality. If I can get some time in the theater tonight then I'll compare the sound between the Sony and Oppo BluRay players to verify.

And I don't yet have a projector, just a 60" plasma, so maybe that setting won't affect me. It might when I buy a projector this fall.
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Here is the applicable setting in the Sony BDP-S3100 manual.

[BD-ROM 24p Output]
[Auto]: Outputs 1920 × 1080p/24 Hz video signals only when connecting a 1080/24p-compatible TV using the HDMI OUT jack.
[On]: Turns on the function.
[Off]: Select this when your TV is not compatible with 1080/24p video signals.
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Cool dgage.

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MK,

You might want to look into EDID override and see if that solves your problem.

Good info:
http://www.extron.com/download/files/whitepaper/edid_guide_wp.pdf
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How do I reset it? I am not sure I read it.

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How do I reset it? I am not sure I read it.

In the NanoAVR utility, under the Restore menu is the option for Factory Default. Not sure that covers what NicksHitachi is referring to though.
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Yeah, I have done that a few times since I have all the settings from EQ and bass management saved to a file. How did you update the firmware? I have not looked into that yet.

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