DR-250 stack and Yorkvilles U215's! Which one will I like better? - Page 31 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews

Forum Jump: 
 133Likes
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-12-2015, 11:50 PM
Bass Enabler
 
Scott Simonian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clovis, CA
Posts: 20,752
Mentioned: 143 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5073 Post(s)
Liked: 4000
Quote:
Originally Posted by notnyt View Post
I think more people should get some crowsons. The tactile feel they add across the frequency range is nice. I cross mine at 60hz, with some dynamic EQ on the lower end as well.
I'll let you borrow my inuke if I may borrow your Crowsons.


Heh heh! I was gonna say, "Then buy me some Crowsons!" but I'll allow you the privilege of having my just "borrow" them.


Yeah.
Scott Simonian is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 02-13-2015, 02:05 AM
Deep Sea Sound
 
dgage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 3,233
Mentioned: 149 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1515 Post(s)
Liked: 1301
Quote:
Originally Posted by notnyt View Post
I think more people should get some crowsons. The tactile feel they add across the frequency range is nice. I cross mine at 60hz, with some dynamic EQ on the lower end as well.
I haven't experiences the quality Crowson transducers but I have felt others. Granted I'm on a wood floor but I liked the effect from multiple LMS-5400s even more. Went over to Coach's place for the first time and nicely said I don't like your transducers and your 3 DO HT18s should give you more. I helped him get more out of his 6 HT18s and he ended up pulling his transducers; again not Crowsons and he too is on a wood floor. If I weren't on a wood floor I might want transducers too but glad I'm not on concrete.
dgage is offline  
Old 02-13-2015, 02:16 AM
AVS Special Member
 
notnyt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 7,262
Mentioned: 134 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1822 Post(s)
Liked: 1740
Quote:
Originally Posted by dgage View Post
I haven't experiences the quality Crowson transducers but I have felt others. Granted I'm on a wood floor but I liked the effect from multiple LMS-5400s even more. Went over to Coach's place for the first time and nicely said I don't like your transducers and your 3 DO HT18s should give you more. I helped him get more out of his 6 HT18s and he ended up pulling his transducers; again not Crowsons and he too is on a wood floor. If I weren't on a wood floor I might want transducers too but glad I'm not on concrete.
I agree with regular transducers, and on a wood floor they're not needed. The Crowson type, which sit under the chair, are a world different. Very natural feeling. Unless I told you about them, you might not even realize they're running.
atabea likes this.
notnyt is offline  
Old 02-13-2015, 02:54 PM
AVS Special Member
 
dominguez1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 2,904
Mentioned: 74 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 822 Post(s)
Liked: 546
Quote:
Originally Posted by Decadent_Spectre View Post
Is there any quick,easy and precise method to determine the resonant frequency of furniture?
Not that I know of; other than hauling a big subwoofer, extension cord, and android phone into the store with you...

That would be great to be able to determine which seating is ULF friendly...just don't know of a practical way, other than folks sharing their makes/models of their ULF resonant HT seating.

Unfortunately, my HT seats/couch are no longer made...
dominguez1 is offline  
Old 02-13-2015, 02:59 PM
AVS Special Member
 
corradizo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: near Chicago
Posts: 2,196
Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 989 Post(s)
Liked: 659
corradizo is offline  
Old 02-13-2015, 03:07 PM
Bass Enabler
 
Scott Simonian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clovis, CA
Posts: 20,752
Mentioned: 143 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5073 Post(s)
Liked: 4000
Quote:
Originally Posted by corradizo View Post
We need a DIY couch resonator kit. Figure out why some couches resonate and duplicate!
DIY Crowson, eh?
Scott Simonian is offline  
Old 02-13-2015, 03:09 PM
Advanced Member
 
kingpin111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan CANADA
Posts: 951
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 275 Post(s)
Liked: 240
Get on it Scotty!
kingpin111 is offline  
Old 02-13-2015, 03:11 PM
Bass Enabler
 
Scott Simonian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clovis, CA
Posts: 20,752
Mentioned: 143 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5073 Post(s)
Liked: 4000
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingpin111 View Post
Get on it Scotty!

"I made this new product for extra tactile sensation at the seat. Mind trying it out?"

"Sure!"




kingpin111 likes this.
Scott Simonian is offline  
Old 02-13-2015, 03:13 PM
AVS Special Member
 
corradizo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: near Chicago
Posts: 2,196
Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 989 Post(s)
Liked: 659
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post
DIY Crowson, eh?
I'm thinking most couches have empty space underneath. Maybe adding some thin paneling in there coupled to the seat framing, but not braced, would vibrate just like peoples pictures and walls do when the bass hits, would do the trick?
corradizo is offline  
Old 02-13-2015, 04:44 PM
AVS Special Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 8,317
Mentioned: 374 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2258 Post(s)
Liked: 1624
Notnyts's right, the Crowson's never cease to impress. That subtle feeling you get from bass below 15hz - the Crowson's re-create it perfectly IMO but you can get so much more of it than you can from subs. It's fun testing them out down really low, you can feel them all the way down to a 1hz test tone. The seat will move VERY slowly and give you a wobbly/unstable feeling. It's a bit unnerving.

Nearfield sub and a Crowson compliment each other perfectly. I'm constantly playing around with different crossovers for both of them. Currently I have the Crowson HPF set at 40hz but that's about to change to 60 because I just read that Not has his set there and I'm extremely impressionable.
carp is online now  
Old 02-13-2015, 05:12 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Pain Infliction's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Houston Texas
Posts: 4,281
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 978 Post(s)
Liked: 506
Quote:
Originally Posted by carp View Post
Notnyts's right, the Crowson's never cease to impress. That subtle feeling you get from bass below 15hz - the Crowson's re-create it perfectly IMO but you can get so much more of it than you can from subs. It's fun testing them out down really low, you can feel them all the way down to a 1hz test tone. The seat will move VERY slowly and give you a wobbly/unstable feeling. It's a bit unnerving.

Nearfield sub and a Crowson compliment each other perfectly. I'm constantly playing around with different crossovers for both of them. Currently I have the Crowson HPF set at 40hz but that's about to change to 60 because I just read that Not has his set there and I'm extremely impressionable.
Carp you need to come visit one day and I need to do the same as well. I want you to experience 5hz in my theater and tell me how it compares to the crowsons. Two movies off the top of my head have a 5hz content and they are "All is Lost" (terrible movie though) and "Lone Survivor". You said you can get so much more out of the crowsons than subs, which maybe they case on concrete slabs, but in my theater it is so obvious that buying crowsons have never crossed my mind. Like I said earlier, If I were in a basement, I think that I might want them. This is why I need to come visit you and see what sub 15hz feels and sounds like.

http://www.computertechnologieslab.com/ Website Design Professionals

The Thompson Theater

RIP William Alexander
Pain Infliction is offline  
Old 02-13-2015, 05:23 PM
AVS Special Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 8,317
Mentioned: 374 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2258 Post(s)
Liked: 1624
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post
Carp you need to come visit one day and I need to do the same as well. I want you to experience 5hz in my theater and tell me how it compares to the crowsons. Two movies off the top of my head have a 5hz content and they are "All is Lost" (terrible movie though) and "Lone Survivor". You said you can get so much more out of the crowsons than subs, which maybe they case on concrete slabs, but in my theater it is so obvious that buying crowsons have never crossed my mind. Like I said earlier, If I were in a basement, I think that I might want them. This is why I need to come visit you and see what sub 15hz feels and sounds like.
I'd love to!! I've never experienced single digits on a suspended floor, always wanted to. The problem is I'm never down your way...

Do you ever make it up close to KC for any reason? If so you'll have to come over for sure!!
carp is online now  
Old 02-13-2015, 05:27 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Pain Infliction's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Houston Texas
Posts: 4,281
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 978 Post(s)
Liked: 506
Quote:
Originally Posted by carp View Post
I'd love to!! I've never experienced single digits on a suspended floor, always wanted to. The problem is I'm never down your way...

Do you ever make it up close to KC for any reason? If so you'll have to come over for sure!!

The Eagles play the Chiefs in 2016 and it should be at Arrowhead. I will try to come and visit you then. I know that is a long way away, but I don't have any other reason to go up to KC besides to visit.

http://www.computertechnologieslab.com/ Website Design Professionals

The Thompson Theater

RIP William Alexander
Pain Infliction is offline  
Old 02-14-2015, 06:03 AM
 
Mfusick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Western MA
Posts: 32,084
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 608 Post(s)
Liked: 2668
I like the early NFL planning...
Pain Infliction likes this.
Mfusick is offline  
Old 02-14-2015, 02:59 PM
AVS Special Member
 
lukeamdman's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Burnsville, MN
Posts: 3,042
Mentioned: 85 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 935 Post(s)
Liked: 1013
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post
Technically there might be three versions of the Ultra. The old '5400' style had titanium cone and voicecoil former along with a sweet candy apple red basket. I believe the v2 Ultra debuted when TC went bust and changed to Audiopulse for a little while. The current version has the new basket and a stainless steel voicecoil former and aluminum cone. IIRC there was a later change that simply improved the Xmech by shortening the spacer for the spiders.
Quote:
Originally Posted by notnyt View Post
The only difference from the newest to the 2010 is the shorter spider support iirc. Anyway, There's not much to see. Maybe 5-10mm shorter. You can see some of the voice coil at the triple joint on the newer ones.
Allow me to derail the thread one more time...

These are the best pictures I could find. Clearly they shortened the spacing between the spiders on the 2012+ models.

2011:



2012+:

Scott Simonian and dgage like this.
lukeamdman is offline  
Old 02-14-2015, 03:19 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Addicted Member
 
MKtheater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: New Hartford, NY
Posts: 16,922
Mentioned: 86 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1543 Post(s)
Liked: 1088
Hey guys, should I change the title, just post, or start a new thread for the DIY JBL vs DR-250 comparison? I am waiting on the bottom kits for my 15's and I will get them up and running.
Mfusick likes this.
MKtheater is offline  
Old 02-14-2015, 03:20 PM
Advanced Member
 
kingpin111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan CANADA
Posts: 951
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 275 Post(s)
Liked: 240
new thread
kingpin111 is offline  
Old 02-14-2015, 03:20 PM
 
Mfusick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Western MA
Posts: 32,084
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 608 Post(s)
Liked: 2668
New thread
Mfusick is offline  
Old 02-14-2015, 03:33 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Addicted Member
 
MKtheater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: New Hartford, NY
Posts: 16,922
Mentioned: 86 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1543 Post(s)
Liked: 1088
Ok will do. I love the sound quality of the MR-825's as long as they are under 110 dBs as a pair for music. Basically they sound great at 105 dBs but at 110 dBs they start exhibiting that nasal sound at times, probably right at the crossover where the 15 is playing too high. My new JBL's will be crossed from 500-700hz depending on measurements. I ripped down all the insulation from my back subs and front wall and will be covering them in soundboard with black fabric. The soundboard stops rattles and I will line the new speaker shelves with some type of floor padding(soft). I am also adding 3/4 MDF to my front wall to add weight and even out with a smoother surface to attach the sound board. I am keeping the woofers on the ends exposed but you won't see them with the lights out. I will start the new thread and take pics of the process.
MKtheater is offline  
Old 02-14-2015, 06:25 PM
AVS Special Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 8,317
Mentioned: 374 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2258 Post(s)
Liked: 1624
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post
The Eagles play the Chiefs in 2016 and it should be at Arrowhead. I will try to come and visit you then. I know that is a long way away, but I don't have any other reason to go up to KC besides to visit.
Sounds good - btw though, Archaea and Jedimastergrant were over today and we were discussing planning a KC HT tour over a Sat/Sun sometime this spring so maybe that can entice some people our way.
Pain Infliction likes this.
carp is online now  
Old 02-14-2015, 06:57 PM
Deep Sea Sound
 
dgage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 3,233
Mentioned: 149 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1515 Post(s)
Liked: 1301
Quote:
Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post
Hey guys, should I change the title, just post, or start a new thread for the DIY JBL vs DR-250 comparison? I am waiting on the bottom kits for my 15's and I will get them up and running.
Post the thread link here too please. Thanks for putting out the effort to do a public comparison and sharing the info with us.

EDIT: Since I don't want to derail your new thread I'll just do it here. Your methodology sucks. Why did you measure that and not this? Geez, what type of comparison is this...amateur hour. HAHA! Just kidding! I hate when that happens to threads on AVS so hopefully I'm getting it out of other people's systems too.
dgage is offline  
Old 02-14-2015, 07:34 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Addicted Member
 
MKtheater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: New Hartford, NY
Posts: 16,922
Mentioned: 86 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1543 Post(s)
Liked: 1088
I will measure both when it is time. I have posted before and after DR-250 responses before as well as the MR-825. The 825 extends to about 12-13khz and the DR-'s to about 16khz or so.
MKtheater is offline  
Old 02-15-2015, 08:26 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Archaea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 9,668
Mentioned: 377 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2630 Post(s)
Liked: 2264
MK, did you ever get those Berry 215XLs in?

----------------------------------------
February 2017 - Kansas City Home Theater Crawl
Archaea is offline  
Old 02-15-2015, 02:18 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Addicted Member
 
MKtheater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: New Hartford, NY
Posts: 16,922
Mentioned: 86 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1543 Post(s)
Liked: 1088
I could but the owner of the company convinced me the JBL's are much better. He owns the music store and is the lead singer in his band. He said the Berry's are good but the JBL's are better and for the price a no brained so he talked me out of it. He said I am welcome to try either way. After listening to the JBL's for a few days and watching movies in 2 channel only they are impressive.
MKtheater is offline  
Old 02-16-2015, 09:42 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Addicted Member
 
MKtheater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: New Hartford, NY
Posts: 16,922
Mentioned: 86 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1543 Post(s)
Liked: 1088
So I have playing around with the JBL MR-825's until my last parts come in and placement is a huge difference with these. The DR's can not fit into the wall anymore and I have to bix them up to ship soon. I can tell you the JBL's are impressive. My baffle helped them a ton. I can toe them in properly as well where I could not my DR's. Here are my new scores:
Single DR-250 with no baffle JBL Pro MR-825 w/ baffle
Detail 1 1
Midbass 1 1
Dynamics 1 1
Big sound 1 1
Smoothness 2 1
Feel 1 2

The smoothness is that softer sound I was describing compared to the DR's harder sound but neither are harsh at reference. I like these JBL's better than the U215's overall but that is just my room. Both the U215's and DR's sound more live than the JBL's. I am building a JBL with a better woofer, horn, and CD which crosses over an octave lower so it could or have the potential to be my favorite. I am sure if I had a huge room with a baffle wall the 4675's I had would be right near the top. To me this shows how good the DR's really are because thy are $300 to build where the others are $800 for the MR-825, $3000 for the 4675, and $2000 for the speaker I am building. However getting everything used levels the playing field. I am not sure which I prefer overall the 825 or DR but that nasal sound is gone! I still bet a DR-280 with 3012HO and upgraded CD's would be king. I am not sure if the CD version would have enough horizontal dispersion in a home setting. I can say I got a bargain with all these speakers.
MKtheater is offline  
Old 02-24-2015, 11:31 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Archaea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 9,668
Mentioned: 377 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2630 Post(s)
Liked: 2264
@Mfusick
@MKtheater


I did a little compression sweep testing of the Behringer B2031A. These are great sounding speakers, but they don't have the output requirements I seek to be used for cinema speakers.


I put a little mini review here:


Archaea's multi-purpose Home Theater room

----------------------------------------
February 2017 - Kansas City Home Theater Crawl
Archaea is offline  
Old 02-24-2015, 11:48 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Addicted Member
 
MKtheater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: New Hartford, NY
Posts: 16,922
Mentioned: 86 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1543 Post(s)
Liked: 1088
Quote:
Originally Posted by Archaea View Post
@Mfusick
@MKtheater


I did a little compression sweep testing of the Behringer B2031A. These are great sounding speakers, but they don't have the output requirements I seek to be used for cinema speakers.


I put a little mini review here:


Archaea's multi-purpose Home Theater room

I posted! I agree with your conclusions.

Marantz 7702 Atmos
3 Inuke NU4-6000 amps for all speakers.
Speakers- 7 Behringer B215XL's, 4 212xl's for ceiling speakers.
Front subs 12 SI 18ht ported SLLT powered by Inuke 6000
Rear subs 2 XXX ported SLLT powered by IPR2-7500.
MKtheater is offline  
Old 02-24-2015, 01:08 PM
 
Mfusick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Western MA
Posts: 32,084
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 608 Post(s)
Liked: 2668
Quote:
Originally Posted by archaea View Post
@mfusick
@mktheater

i did a little compression sweep testing of the behringer b2031a. These are great sounding speakers, but they don't have the output requirements i seek to be used for cinema speakers.

I put a little mini review here:

Archaea's multi-purpose Home Theater room


saaaaa......

Weeeett!
Mfusick is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
 
Thread Tools


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off