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post #181 of 928 Old 05-01-2014, 02:06 PM
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Agreed. I built the SEOS 10's for surround duty, but they've done so well they've been my mains for almost 2 years!

I built the SEOS 10's a year ago for my mains, and they are PERFECT for my 5.1 setup, run with a 110 wpc Onkyo AVR, med sized living room. It's not just the full, clear sound, but the 1.0 cuft flat pack is a great size (read, high WAF approval)

I think they would be overkill for surrounds, but they are maybe the most versatile speaker in the Fusion family.
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I built the SEOS 10's a year ago for my mains, and they are PERFECT for my 5.1 setup, run with a 110 wpc Onkyo AVR, med sized living room. It's not just the full, clear sound, but the 1.0 cuft flat pack is a great size (read, high WAF approval)

I think they would be overkill for surrounds, but they are maybe the most versatile speaker in the Fusion family.

I've thoroughly enjoyed the SEOS speakers, and I'm keeping them around.

The issue is the large room combined with over the top subwoofers.
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Let's just say you will be pleased with the change! I am comparing as I type and they don't know which is playing, it is so much fun.

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OK, finished with the testing.

I had 4 people listen back and forth to music, rock, dance, mellow, and orchestra for movie type dynamics(I tried). I used songs that all are very clear at loud levels so the recording was good enough. Again, I am not a music guy so I did what I could. Anyways the NanoAvr is the best EQ I have used for my DR's and in seconds made my +/- 8 dBs response to a +/- 2.5 dBs! What did this do, well it gave the DR's a much better tone and feel than before. Of course this is with the damn thing working. Now coming into this I expected the Unities to wipe the floor with them based on other GTG's even though I did not agree with the results. Without EQ the U215's were better only to me as 2 others did not think so. I would have to credit my Baffle wall for that which extends the low end an octave. I used only my Sony because I used 20 watts for the U215's to reach the levels I used and the DR's used 4 watts according to the crown spl calculators. Well here is how they rated them with 4 different people including myself.

Me

DR-250 U215
midbass: 2 1
detail: 1 1
sound stage: 1 1
feel: 1 2
smoothness: 1 2
dynamics: 1 1
7* 8

Wife

DR-250 U215
midbass: 2 1
detail: 1 1
sound stage: 1 1
feel: 1 2
smoothness: 1 2
dynamics: 1 2
7* 9

Male 1

DR-250 U215
midbass: 2 1
detail: 1 1
sound stage: 1 1
feel: 1 2
smoothness: 1 2
dynamics: 1 2
7* 9

Male 2

DR-250 U215
midbass: 2 1
detail: 1 1
sound stage: 1 1
feel: 1 2
smoothness: 2 1
dynamics: 1 1
8 7*

When I say they are more similar than different I am not kidding, it can change easily with everyone and anyone and depending on source.

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Thanks for the comparo MK. Choosing between speakers when there is not a clear winner across most categories is tough.
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Yes, but I am happy knowing for me to really want to upgrade is going to take Danley speakers and much more money I have invested which was my goal from the beginning, biggest bang for buck.

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How much better to the individual is the real question.

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Powered by a receiver. Im not surprised with the results.frown.gif
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Powered by a receiver. Im not surprised with the results.frown.gif

Care to elaborate further?
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Powered by a receiver. Im not surprised with the results.frown.gif

For the levels he was listening at I don't think it made a difference.

For my SEOS speakers, moving from a Denon AVR-3801 that I got for $75 on CL to a Crest I didn't notice any audible difference, and the measurements were also identical.
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Yes same results for me too, again for the 100th time until you run out of power the powerful amp won't matter. I used 20 watts, the t-amp would have been fine and playing past 120 dBs for speakers for me is not fun. I don't play 120 dBs with ear plugs.

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I am now thinking of getting rid of my setup for 5 DR-280's with 3012ho's!

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Btw, how does a 20 watt amp differ from a 20 watt receiver because that is all I needed.

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Exactly! In my room know one could tell a difference between McIntosh, Ada, and behringer. There is a reason I used to have expensive gear and now don't, education through experiences and still learning. The next time someone tells you an amp matters besides power or SPL find out what they own or if they sell amps. Now if someone wants expensive because they think it will last forever in quality that is their own decision but performance is another matter. I get the tool for the job and trust me guys, if I thought something was better I would own it and tell everyone about it. I already do that.

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Exactly! In my room know one could tell a difference between McIntosh, Ada, and behringer. There is a reason I used to have expensive gear and now don't, education through experiences and still learning. The next time someone tells you an amp matters besides power or SPL find out what they own or if they sell amps. Now if someone wants expensive because they think it will last forever in quality that is their own decision but performance is another matter. I get the tool for the job and trust me guys, if I thought something was better I would own it and tell everyone about it. I already do that.
I agree except for in a couple areas. Them being the noise floor of different amps and loudness of amp during use If they have a fan cooling system.
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Nothing has been quieter than my sony! In a different room as well.

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My Onkyo AVR is dead silent too but only power my 4 surrounds with it.

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One more thing guys, my speakers can take 1000 watts themselves. I think I am goin to see what a DR-280 can do. It will provide more mid bass at the very least! The DR-250's are not lacking mid bass just have less impact as the dual 15's. Not by much though as subjectivity is concerned. I can take distortion and compression sweeps of each.

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i'm quite surprised the dr250's are hanging in there with the unities. nice work on the testing/reviews james.

bravo bfm on the design!

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I wish I can get the nano to work with a bluray and thanks. Everyone thought the DR's were the U215's but I am not kidding about close.

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Powered by a receiver. Im not surprised with the results.frown.gif

It's simple math frown.gif

He doesn't need more than a receiver.

Really simple math.
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It's simple math frown.gif

He doesn't need more than a receiver.

Really simple math.

Simple math is one thing. Using a speaker to it's full potential is another in my opinion. I never see this ''just enough'' attitude when it comes to subs. Guys will throw kilowatts at subs to get them to 120+dbs. Clone 14k amps and other megawatt amps are not needed to get most of the popular sub driver offerings to reference.

But guys here have no problem using uber megawatts to power the low end past reference. Yet when it comes the highs and mids, ''just enough to get to reference'' seems to prevail.
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Why would you need more power if you're not going to use it? Doesn't make sense to buy a 5 x 200w amp when a receiver can do what he wants in his room.


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One more thing guys, my speakers can take 1000 watts themselves. I think I am goin to see what a DR-280 can do. It will provide more mid bass at the very least! The DR-250's are not lacking mid bass just have less impact as the dual 15's. Not by much though as subjectivity is concerned. I can take distortion and compression sweeps of each.

Bill has visited these???...http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/DR280.html
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In regards to power for your mains,I believe more is needed on tap when EQ/room correction comes into play as that starts to cut into the reserves or with inefficient speakers.
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Yes but with high sensitive speakers you have tons of headroom. Having a receiver to power my mains is equivalent to powering my subs with a clone, I don't use all the power needed with either. Again, my dr stacks can take 1000 watts but I don't plan on ever playing that loud. Again I used to have stacks of amps and massive power everywhere. The difference is now I have less hum and less cables!
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Sorry guys, didn't mean to contribute to the overdone AVR vs amp battle...I just get a little frustrated when people ASSUME that something is going to sound bad/worse just because it's powered by a receiver.

gpmbc brings up a great point though. As soon as you start EQing you start sucking up a lot of that head room. A few db's here or there and headroom is gone. Point is it depends on each room/situation/volume requirements/eq requirements. Anyway, carry on with this awesome review thread.
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Speaking of EQ, the DR's lose much more headroom because of the need to EQ more. If I let them play without EQ they will take your head off!

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