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post #61 of 91 Old 06-10-2014, 12:49 PM - Thread Starter
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What is exactly is it that you don't like about the bed liner material?  Is is possible to post a picture?

Instead of taking it off, could you maybe go over it with duratex? ( hide instead of remove? )

It clumped up in certain spots (i tried both roll on and brush) and based on pics from other builds, i know it can and should haved looked better. I am ok with a certain roughnes but it just need to more uniform.

My hopes and plan is get it uniformed smooth to spray on with a spray can. At Home Depot they have Rustoleum bedliner. Is the a better brand? I live in central cali where we broke a record yesterday for the hottest June 9th - 110 degrees. I think i might need to paint at midnight when it is only 80 degrees...
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I was able to smooth out with 36 grit sandpaper to my sastisfaction. The face of the speakers are the most important as the towers will be flank with bookcases so it will be very difficult to see the sides.

I decided to stick with what i know best and went with a hammered black finish using rustoleum rattle cans. All the faces were painted and i'll let it dry for 2-3 days before i attack the sides of the fronts. The center is done for my purpose because it will be within an entertainment center.

I am happy with what i was able to salvage from my prior goof up.

Thanks for your help and suggestions.

Question: is the use of gaskets for the speakers a must or optional? Seems to me a snug fit without them with the baffles from Erich.
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glad you were able to get things back on track.....

 

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glad you were able to get things back on track.....
 
thanks......

I was able to paint the sides of 1 tower yesterday so I'm hoping it turns out when i get home. If it does, I'll post a pic later tonight.

The center and other tower have blemishes on the face that were too noticeable so i'll need to resand and paint again.

Also, i'm going to wait on the speaker grills for now as I'm hoping the better half will like the look of them "naked."

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Question: is the use of gaskets for the speakers a must or optional? Seems to me a snug fit without them with the baffles from Erich.
Any answers?
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Not Eric and just a nob but everything I read is you have to seal the cabinet so without the gasket it will not be sealed? Maybe the bed liner is the reason they are so snug?


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Gaskets are for the waveguide. I think the woofers have a gasket already. You will need to use some type of gasket material for the midrange.


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Gaskets are for the waveguide. I think the woofers have a gasket already. You will need to use some type of gasket material for the midrange.
Gotcha......thanks
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Another question: I was thinking of gluing some leftover speaker grill cloth on the back of the ports that came with the kit to prevent from seeing the white polyfill stuffing. I wouldn't think it would have any impact but i'm very much a noob on this stuff. Would it?
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Here's some pics of the tower.
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You don't want to block the ports. Spray the white stuff with black paint, or just make sure it's not behind the ports to see.

On their commercial stuff, JBL sticks a spray gun through their ports and hits the insulation with black paint.


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i covered my ports with either grill cloth or pantyhose

was that a bad idea?


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You don't want to block the ports. Spray the white stuff with black paint, or just make sure it's not behind the ports to see.

On their commercial stuff, JBL sticks a spray gun through their ports and hits the insulation with black paint.
Thanks Erich for your response.... but now I have more questions. Originally my speaker grills were going to cover the entire face but your statement has me wondering if it can be done at all now. If i did a speaker grill I would't need to cover the back of the ports. It would be an either or and not both.

My current retail H/K Infinity Primus has a port in the front and a grill covering it. I'm SOOOO confused as to what I can do.....

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I think grill cloth would be fine. Especially if standing off the baffle 1/4" from the grill clips. The grill frame will cause a much bigger influence due to diffraction, and I'm guessing the influence won't be very much.
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Cover the port with a grill isn't a big deal. I'm just not sure I would glue fabric directly over the port itself.


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Here's some pics of the tower.

looking good Augmont. I really like the tower form factor. If i go the 1099 route, i would definitely do the same.
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I think grill cloth would be fine. Especially if standing off the baffle 1/4" from the grill clips. The grill frame will cause a much bigger influence due to diffraction, and I'm guessing the influence won't be very much.
thanks Tux. Would the impact be minimal as well if i glued speaker grill cloth to the back of the ports and skip a speaker grill all together?
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Cover the port with a grill isn't a big deal. I'm just not sure I would glue fabric directly over the port itself.
Just saw this after i replied to Tux's comment.
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looking good Augmont. I really like the tower form factor. If i go the 1099 route, i would definitely do the same.
Thanks......I can tell you they are HEAVYYYY!! I'm not looking forward to moving them into the house when they're done as i already tweaked my back doing something stupid.
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The airflow restriction should be minimal. And better than a grill. All this has minimal impact on the sound.
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I curious how these stack up against the Tempest 12's.
(I've never heard either one)
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I finished my first tower and did a quick demo on a entry level receiver I have near my shop.......all i can is HOLY CRAP!!. The output is truly unbelieveable. The detail in the highs and mids is something i have never heard before. I can't even imagine how its going to sound in my house with my sub.

WOW, WOW, WOW......is all i can for now. Huge thanks to Tux for a great design.

P.S. I forgot to mention that as i was lifting the tower onto a hand dolly i had stuck in my head the Darth Vader sound bit. I was a pretty awesome feeling.
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Aug how tall are your towers?

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53"
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53"
Awesome thanks. Building stands and wanted to see what height others are at.
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Just wondering what you did in the compartment below the sub is it hollow?


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Just wondering what you did in the compartment below the sub is it hollow?
Yes. I did this in lieu of building risers.
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Yes. I did this in lieu of building risers.
Are you going to fill with sand when you get them in place?


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Are you going to fill with sand when you get them in place?
No. They're pretty heavy as they are right now and I don't anticipate them moving/swaying once in place.
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I finally completed my 1099's. I finished the build about 2 weeks ago but struggled with it's implementation. I had trouble with the XO's board getting them to sound right but thanks to Matt (mbyrnes) for verifying my work and assumptions and a HUGE, HUGE THANKS to Tux for putting up with my 10'000's emails in trying to resolve my problem. He really went WAAY ABOVE in trying to help me out as I had difficulty describing my problem to him in emails. He's ACE's as an old timer like me likes to say.

Anyhow, how do they sound? they sound pretty good and i really think they will sound even better down the road (more later). The dialog is very clear and is exactly what i was expecting and looking for. the details in the highs are awesome as my wife said "gosh, i didn't hear that before" after we watched a movie from our collection. We also watched "Red 2" on Saturday and she continued to comment and point out how detail the sound was in scenes (shell casings falling on the ground for example) without being to "tinny" as she called it. the sound is much smoother than before which is a great.

I was (and still am) hesitant in giving a review at this time............and here's why. My biggest problem right now is trying to figure why my room correction software (Trinnov) hates the 1099's. I've continue to struggle to get them to produce a full sound that's pleasing to my ears. Trinnov seems to suck out the midbass/life out of them. The Trinnov version I have in my Sherwood R-972 is an all or nothing where you're not able to tweak any of the results. Because of this, i have turned it off Trinnov and set the xo point to 70 hz. I've tried other xo points, and to my ears, i like this setting the best. It had a smoother sound. I really like/need to figure out Trinnov with the 1099 because Trinnov had HUGE strides in sound on my previous speakers - Infinity Primus 360's. The 3D audio mapping that Trinnov for does movies is something to behold if you never heard of it before. It literally makes the dialog appear to come directly from the middle of the screen.

I really can't wait to figure out my problem as i think the 1099's will eventually be the speakers that i've always wanted.

Thanks again Tux for all your help.
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