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Center channel, just needs TD12M's. Damping material has been applied, box has been stuffed and wired.

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fantastic, Mike. I am getting antsy now in anticipation...

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This is gonna be gooooood
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Was going to start rebuilding my baffle wall this weekend, but that is now delayed for a week. Have a customer stopping for a demo of the Sony VW1100ES next Wednesday. Not looking forward to the work, but sure am looking forward to the end result.

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That is a serious projector! How do you like compared to some of the "lower" end models like the 600es or the 4910?

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The 1100ES has black levels like a JVC, very good motion and lots of brightness. Oh, it is 4K also. Throws a great image. I had it, my VW600ES and the DPI Cine 1000 LED in my room for the last month. Cine 1000 LED sold and shipped out about a week ago.

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Wow...another amazing build with the TD12M.

May I ask the total cost for each speaker?
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Mike,

Wish I saw this earlier. I have two TD12M's that I haven't opened yet. I do plan to use them, but not for a long time. I could have sent them to you.

Was there a reason you went with MTM with the two 12's and not a 12 and 6 or something in that nature? Having no design experience, I just thought the TD6M would crossover much higher and then you could have the 12 on the bottom.

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Wow...another amazing build with the TD12M.

May I ask the total cost for each speaker?
I have around 2K in each main for parts.

TD18H+
Two TD12M's
TPL-150H
1/3 of cost of MiniDSP10x10HD
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Mike,

Wish I saw this earlier. I have two TD12M's that I haven't opened yet. I do plan to use them, but not for a long time. I could have sent them to you.

Was there a reason you went with MTM with the two 12's and not a 12 and 6 or something in that nature? Having no design experience, I just thought the TD6M would crossover much higher and then you could have the 12 on the bottom.
Actually will be MTMW. Using a single TD12M, means the sensitivity would be around 95db, since the TD12M would be the limiting factor. With a second TD12M, I can get the sensitivity up to around 98db. That will mean very little padding to the TPL-150H and TD18H+. I also already owned three TD12M's and two TD18H+ drivers.

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Actually will be MTMW. Using a single TD12M, means the sensitivity would be around 95db, since the TD12M would be the limiting factor. With a second TD12M, I can get the sensitivity up to around 98db. That will mean very little padding to the TPL-150H and TD18H+. I also already owned three TD12M's and two TD18H+ drivers.
Will be interested in your listening impressions compared.

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My center was just going to be MTM, because I could not think of a way to fit my 18" Mal-X between my main and center if I placed A TD18H+ below my center because the max space available is 26.5" wide x 14" deep and 23.75" high. To even get that much space, I have to build three new boxes to replace the existing and a fourth box for the TD18H+ for the center channel. The only way I even get 26.5" of width, is if I offset the drivers to one end of the box (keeping each TD18H+ in line with the MTM top), but that still does not leave enough volume for the Mal-X driver. Then it hit me. I could not only offset the driver for the center speaker, I could also make it trapezoidal shaped, with the back being 4" narrower than the front. Then if I do the same for the TD18H for the left main, I could have a box for the Mal-x that is 26.5" wide at the front and 34.5" wide at the back. Combine that with the 14" of depth and 23.75" of height, I can get 4.25 CF of interior volume, after driver and bracing. That is enough to make it work. So now I guess I have a TD18H+ to order and four new boxes to build. This would look a little funky, if left exposed, but I already planned to hide these subs behind a grill that runs the width of the screen wall, (already purchased the grill cloth) so this will work.

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Using a single TD12M, means the sensitivity would be around 95db, since the TD12M would be the limiting factor. With a second TD12M, I can get the sensitivity up to around 98db.
Actually you'll get +6 dB sensitivity, 3 dB efficiency increase from 2X cone area and 3 dB voltage sensitivity increase for half the impedance.

I like the trapezoidal box solution, clever.

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Pretty silly, I was not even thinking about the increased cone area. Have requested a TD18H+ added to my driver order. After this, I don't see changing speakers for a long, long time, if ever.
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Was told yesterday that my three TD12M's and one TD18H+ was on the build table. Thought I would have had the TD12M's by now, but I guess the good news is, I might get the TD18H+ with them.
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On Friday, I got a call telling me my drivers would ship this week, so I have started tearing down my front wall and building it back. Will try to take some pics along the way.
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Awesome! I'm excited to see how this turns out for you.
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Mike,

What are you doing withe tho old cabinets?


I'm a bit jealous but excited to hear your impressions.

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What are you doing withe tho old cabinets?


I'm a bit jealous but excited to hear your impressions.
Don't know. Have the three cabinets with the SEOS 12" wave guide and DNA-360 drivers in them. cabinets have two terminal cups. one for passive and a second cup for active.

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Don't know. Have the three cabinets with the SEOS 12" wave guide and DNA-360 drivers in them. cabinets have two terminal cups. one for passive and a second cup for active.
I think you should sell them to pgwalsh. Did you build a passive crossover?

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Yes, as I said above, they have passive crossovers and a second terminal cup for active connection. Speakers are located in Ky.

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Yes, as I said above, they have passive crossovers and a second terminal cup for active connection. Speakers are located in Ky.
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Pic of center and left surround fit in place.
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I have also installed the sub that fits in between the left surround and center speaker. Still remaining:

1. Build right side.
2. Extend baffle framing to the ceiling.
3. Stuff cavities with fiberglass insulation.
4. Install 3/4" MDF on face of baffle.
5. Cover baffle wall (behind screen) with 1" black duct liner.
6. Install drivers and wire everything up.

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Have all five boxes in the baffle wall.
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What frequency range will the 18+ be handling? I know you said mid bass, but was curious if that's along with the TD12M's.

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The boxes shown for the 18's are for two subs (SI-18). The TD18's will be located right under each main. The TD18's will cover from 200 down to 80 or 60.
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Just got tracking on my drivers.
Two TD12M's are heading to Face2 and I will also send him a TPL-150H.

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Just got tracking on my drivers.
Two TD12M's are heading to Face2 and I will also send him a TPL-150H.
Is he doing a crossover for you or setting up the minidsp?

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Is he doing a crossover for you or setting up the minidsp?
Will be using MIni DSP 10x10HD. He is taking measurements for me.

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If Face2 is reading: hey, did you win the iron driver event this year? I wasn't following but thought I saw something about that.

Watching with interest Mike (AVS sales)
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