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post #61 of 89 Old 06-14-2014, 01:22 PM
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Thanks for the feedback and pictures.

And this is the paint I ordered, the kit is supposedly more than enough for two surround speaker boxes and includes everything I'll need. Finish should be very similar to my JTRs.

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Some more pics as well as mocking up the bare enclosures on top of some plywood riser/ stand things I built. I still operate in the primitive days of theater in a living room in a rental home. Anyway I installed each Volt speaker at the same height. Each shelf flanked back to the left and right are different so I built the stands at different heights to get perfect symmetry placement from each Volt speaker. I had leftover Black micro suede fabric from building my bass traps that I used. They look pretty sharp.
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More pics of the sanding and painting process. I found with sanding that to get the nice slightly rounded corners that an electric sander helps knock down the edge a bit but your hand and elbow grease is what will really give it a perfect and consistent finish.
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Talking

I decided to put the banana connectors on the sides so I could get the backs flush to the wall. Space was an issue. The one pic is the completed Volt sitting next to one of my Seaton Submersives. My wife said it looked like a little baby one lol!
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Well that is the process documented! Any questions from anyone is welcomed! No question too novice here I state emphatically! My main goal from creating this thread is to provide others who may want to try a DIY project with information and a platform of asking a questions or any discussion. This one is simple. I will be doing some more DIY 18 sub builds and some bigger and badder speakers in the future!
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What is the general consensus as using these in a LCR configuration (90/10 HT & music use)?
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What is the general consensus as using these in a LCR configuration (90/10 HT & music use)?

I've been wondering the same. I run phantom center and only 2 surrounds so 4.1.
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Mostly HT I would say its good. Maybe a different CC of a little higher quality. I did test them on top of my subversive and thought they were a quite a bit less than my Triple 8 JTR's. I mean they are very nice little speakers but I would say maybe get a horn based from Eric for LCR as they have more directivity. Not saying they won't work as LCR at all. I am just saying I would spring for the Denovo DNA 360 CD for my LCR speakers. Unless money is super tight then yes go for it as these are WAYYY better than big box store type stuff. Also I did absolute zero placement or optimization when I tested them. Just plopped them up to make sure they worked.
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I have 3 of the volt 8's ported an LCR's in my living room. I would say that are 80-85% as good as my JTR 228's.

They sound closer to the 228's for movies than music.
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I have 3 of the volt 8's ported an LCR's in my living room. I would say that are 80-85% as good as my JTR 228's.

They sound closer to the 228's for movies than music.
Wow, that's a pretty bold statement. I may have to give these a shot into my first foray into DIY. Question for you. Do notice any off axis issues from the center? My living room is set up in a way that nobody sits directly in front the CC.
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I have 3 of the volt 8's ported an LCR's in my living room. I would say that are 80-85% as good as my JTR 228's.

They sound closer to the 228's for movies than music.
Wow, that's a pretty bold statement. I may have to give these a shot into my first foray into DIY. Question for you. Do notice any off axis issues from the center? My living room is set up in a way that nobody sits directly in front the CC.
I don't sit directly in from either and there is no issues.
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I have 3 of the volt 8's ported an LCR's in my living room. I would say that are 80-85% as good as my JTR 228's.

They sound closer to the 228's for movies than music.
Wow, that's a pretty bold statement. I may have to give these a shot into my first foray into DIY. Question for you. Do notice any off axis issues from the center? My living room is set up in a way that nobody sits directly in front the CC.
I don't sit directly in from either and there is no issues.
Awesome. And thanks.
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Another question for you. Did you build your own crossovers?
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Yes, very simple as long as you can solder. Took me no more than 5 minutes with the second set I bought.

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Well that is the process documented!
Nice job, congrats all around.
I'd really enjoy more comments on their performance relative to the triple 8, if you could offer up any more detail, I think that would be interesting.


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Yes, very simple as long as you can solder. Took me no more than 5 minutes with the second set I bought.
I've never soldered anything in my life. I guess its time to learn something.
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Nice job, congrats all around.
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Yes I agree. I have actually felt I did need to leave a good review and comparison to ice the cake. Let me get some listening time in this evening and I will put in the best descriptive comparisons I can.
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Yes I agree. I have actually felt I did need to leave a good review and comparison to ice the cake. Let me get some listening time in this evening and I will put in the best descriptive comparisons I can.
Had the chance yet?
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What is everyone using for acoustic treatment inside of the enclosure? Would some cheap polyfill from Walmart work? Is there a correct amount to use?

From what I've seen people usually fill up the enclosure about halfway. I've also seen people use foam or insulation and line the interior surfaces of the enclosure. Not sure if it matters either way, but I plan to run to Lowe's tonight (the V10s are scheduled to arrive today) and get all of the supplies I will need to assemble the enclosures and mount the crossover, speaker terminals, etc.
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I hope this tip saves someone from the above frustration:

Most soldering irons do not get hot enough to melt the insulation off the inductor wires (the heavy wire coils). Be sure to scrape off the insulation down to bare copper if you plan to poke these leads clear through the board, otherwise only solder to the tip of the wire that has been tinned ie, is silver with a coating of solder.

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I decided to put the banana connectors on the sides so I could get the backs flush to the wall. Space was an issue. The one pic is the completed Volt sitting next to one of my Seaton Submersives. My wife said it looked like a little baby one lol!
What size are the adapters you are using to attach the speaker wire connecting the crossover to the drivers? Also, did these come with the kits from DIY Sound or did you pick them up somewhere?
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What size are the adapters you are using to attach the speaker wire connecting the crossover to the drivers? Also, did these come with the kits from DIY Sound or did you pick them up somewhere?
You mean the binding posts? I added them to my cart from my purchase. Like 6 bucks a pair I think. Very nice quality and after drilling a hole in the cabinet and using a hammer to tap them in they are EXTREMELY solid.
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Had the chance yet?
My bad, I forgot. I will soon. I give you full permission to keep bugging me until I do. I have some good feelings and positive experiences about these little guys I wish to share to really complete my build process and this thread
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You mean the binding posts? I added them to my cart from my purchase. Like 6 bucks a pair I think. Very nice quality and after drilling a hole in the cabinet and using a hammer to tap them in they are EXTREMELY solid.
No I mean the piece that attaches the internal speaker wire from the crossover to the driver itself. It looks like you had some crimped connectors or something.

I tried to quote the picture that I was referring to, but the thumbnail thing obviously didn't work!

Also, I ordered some spring loaded round terminal cups from Parts Express. They arrived yesterday and look like they will work well, I'll drill a 3" hole about 1/4" deep and then a 2" hole the rest of the way through to flush mount the terminal cup. I haven't decided if they will be on top or on the back yet, depends on what I decide for placement options.
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Well I finished up the angled surround Volt V10s over the weekend. Glued up the enclosures (minus the front baffle) on Thursday. Assembled and mounted the crossovers, drilled the holes for the terminal cups, glued on the front baffle, and sanded on Friday. Painted the Duratex and installed the drivers on Saturday.

I hooked them up as my LR and listed to some music for about 30 minutes. They were sitting on top of my 228HTs, which actually made the angle about right for aiming down to the MLP. My initial impressions were very good for the cost, although I definitely think they lack some of the detail and sound stage of the 228HTs for stereo listening. Granted I just plugged them in and ran no calibration or distance/level settings (which means the Audyssey applied to the 228HTs could have affected the sound of the V10s).

I will try to edit this post later and add in some pictures, etc. I decided to mount them both on the rear wall facing forwards, which seems to me to be not ideal. I think most of the sound is traveling over the MLP back towards the middle/front of the room. I may move them to the left and right walls so they face towards the MLP more, but in this configuration they would not be equally spaced. The SL would be about 1.5' in front of the MLP and 5' to the left. The SR would be aimed straight at the MLP and 5' to the right.
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Granted I just plugged them in and ran no calibration or distance/level settings (which means the Audyssey applied to the 228HTs could have affected the sound of the V10s).

Yes, that will make a difference. What you are correcting to make flat with one speaker could really hurt the next one if it's not calibrated for the new speaker.

For example if you had calibrated your system for some Polk bookshelf speakers it may have boosted the 100hz - 150hz range. Wire up a really expensive speaker that doesn't need that same boosted range.....the new speakers might sound bloated because they are now getting a boost where they didn't need one.

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No I mean the piece that attaches the internal speaker wire from the crossover to the driver itself. It looks like you had some crimped connectors or something.
These guys?

note I don't know what size is needed... 1/4", 3/16", etc...
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Yes, that will make a difference. What you are correcting to make flat with one speaker could really hurt the next one if it's not calibrated for the new speaker.

For example if you had calibrated your system for some Polk bookshelf speakers it may have boosted the 100hz - 150hz range. Wire up a really expensive speaker that doesn't need that same boosted range.....the new speakers might sound bloated because they are now getting a boost where they didn't need one.
Agreed! I was actually pretty surprised by how good they sounded with the 228HT Audyssey calibration applied. I will probably pull them down when I have some free time and try to do a more extensive comparison as stereo speakers for music.
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Well I finished up the angled surround Volt V10s over the weekend. Glued up the enclosures (minus the front baffle) on Thursday. Assembled and mounted the crossovers, drilled the holes for the terminal cups, glued on the front baffle, and sanded on Friday. Painted the Duratex and installed the drivers on Saturday.

I hooked them up as my LR and listed to some music for about 30 minutes. They were sitting on top of my 228HTs, which actually made the angle about right for aiming down to the MLP. My initial impressions were very good for the cost, although I definitely think they lack some of the detail and sound stage of the 228HTs for stereo listening. Granted I just plugged them in and ran no calibration or distance/level settings (which means the Audyssey applied to the 228HTs could have affected the sound of the V10s).

I will try to edit this post later and add in some pictures, etc. I decided to mount them both on the rear wall facing forwards, which seems to me to be not ideal. I think most of the sound is traveling over the MLP back towards the middle/front of the room. I may move them to the left and right walls so they face towards the MLP more, but in this configuration they would not be equally spaced. The SL would be about 1.5' in front of the MLP and 5' to the left. The SR would be aimed straight at the MLP and 5' to the right.
Very nice! They are fantastic little speakers for sure! As far as the SQ not quite being the 228 level well we expect that as the BMS CD in the JTR's are more expensive and better. But wait until you get these boys on surround duty! I think they were just born for surround duty Get a calibration in and then watch the Book of Eli gun fight scene where they have the gating gun.
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