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mbyrnes Elusive 1099 build

Hello everyone. I received my 1099s from Erich about a week ago. I started my build soon after and I am still working on it. This is my first speaker build and first cabinet build since I was a teenager 20 years ago (car subs).

So far I have one crossover built and tested. All three cabinets are built but finish sanding needs to be done. My duratex paint arrived today so I am ready to get moving Monday when I am off of work.

I will be driving these with a Pioneer SC-71 and crossing them to a PSA XV-15. I have a 10x12 room that is open to the rest of the house. My tiny theater has a 120" projector setup (BenQ W1070) . Currently I am running Energy CF70 fronts with a CC10 center. They are OK for movies but are dreadful for music. I have Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grands in my living room that I absolutely love.

I have wanted to build speakers for many years now and thanks to Tux for such a nice design and Erich for making the kit available to a noob like myself.

I have pretty high expectations for these and I don't think I'll be disappointed from early reactions to them. Now if I can figure out how to post pictures from my phone I'll update this thread with pictures.

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take a lot of pictures and let us know how they sound
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I had one painful learning so far. I never used bondo before and when I took the cap off the hardner tube fell on the floor. So I didn't use it (no clue it existed, lol). Well after 24 hours I was wondering why it wasn't dry. Found out then about the tube and found it. I had to scrape off the old bondo (which wasn't very hard). Felt like a moron though.

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I used wire nuts on my crossover because they were easy to use compared to solder. I have one worry that they might vibrate loose. Now I tightened them well enough and getting the crossover out of the box wouldn't be difficult. May just solder the other crossovers to be safe but I figured why not try it.

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I also used the 2'x4' mdf sheets from Home Depot. They were $12 and change a sheet. A full sheet would have been about $36. I got all of my cuts out of 5 sheets and the excess is perfect for extra support in the woofer cabinets. I don't own a truck and getting the full sheets home would have been a nightmare for me. These worked out well and maybe an option for others in a similar situation.

My cabinets are 12.5"x12.5"x36.25".

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You should sand down the edges as smooth as possible before adding any filler or bondo. That will save you a lot of time.
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I glued up the first one pretty bad. Not terrible but the second and third came out much better. I doubt I'll have to bondo them much at all. Our weather here in SE Pennsylvania has stunk the past few days. Lots of rain and clouds. Hoping for good weather Monday morning when I get off night work. Nothing better than sanding half asleep!

With using duratex, do I need to primer the cabinets or is it a waste of time? I have never used duratex so I have no clue. Was going to use a latex based primer (2 coats) before the duratex.

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It's not necessary to use primer before Duratex but some do to use less Duratex.

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Thanks for that. I won't be priming as I have gotten answers from people that it is a waste to prime first.

I am sanding the boxes right now and hope to get the first coat of paint on before I finally sleep (coming off night work). I am determined to have working speakers by tomorrow before I start a ridiculous stretch of work.

I really think this is a special speaker and my anticipation to get them working is through the roof.
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Hopefully someone with these can chime in. Do I need to brace the internals of the boxes? I was going to but it seems like overkill.

Also how important is stuffing? Was thinking I would try them without bit if that is dumb I will just stuff them. Also, how much? I have read a lot about large sub cabinets but not much in stuffing a smaller box like these.
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You don't need to brace these...don't worry about that.
I have stuffed my 1099's...I stuffed the center cab with a little more polyfill.
Does it make a difference...I don't know but would guess very little.
Just fill the cabs...don't over-stuff them.
Also if they touch your crossover...it's ok.

Good luck and finish them and be blown away with what you will hear!
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You don't need to brace these...don't worry about that.
I have stuffed my 1099's...I stuffed the center cab with a little more polyfill.
Does it make a difference...I don't know but would guess very little.
Just fill the cabs...don't over-stuff them.
Also if they touch your crossover...it's ok.

Good luck and finish them and be blown away with what you will hear!
Well I have seen your posts through the years and when you were gushing how good they were I had to see for myself. It is because of your thread that I am building mine right now.

I respect a lot of the members here greatly because of their experience and honesty. I don't think I will be disappointed at all. Believe me, if I am blown away like you were that is saying something. I have listened to a ton of great systems through the years that cost more than many homes.

This is new for me so I really appreciate the help from experienced builders. Thanks FatShaft
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I do know this. My soon to be replaced energy speakers are not happy, lol. They have to play and watch their dominate replacements come to prominence before their eyes (well woofers, they don't have eyes, lol)
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I am way too drunk for noon. I am especially too drunk to be painting duratex and building crossovers! Happy Monday! Woo hoo!
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Duratex is awesome! So easy to apply compared to paint. It is drying in about ten minutes with low humidity and 85 degree temperatures. 1 gallon will last me a very, very, long time. Well worth the $70 some dollars.

Granted I have a very dark room they go in, but in the sunlight they look great!
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Listening impressions coming soon. Two crossovers built so I just have to assemble them (shouldn't take long, even in my condition). Neighbors hating me countdown starting shortly! Lol
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Listening impressions coming soon. Two crossovers built so I just have to assemble them (shouldn't take long, even in my condition). Neighbors hating me countdown starting shortly! Lol
Just popped some popcorn in the microwave and waiting patiently for your impressions on how they sound.
I'm sure you can't wait...

FYI,
I recently did a comparison between my 1099's and a friends Wilson Puppies...I'm still in awe of how these sound compared to the Puppies.
The Pups are "WAY" overrated for their price.
I DID NOT hear a $25,000 difference between the 1099's and the his Puppies. No F way!
What a complete ripoff they are!

You have a GREAT pair of speakers and for the price you paid for them you're lucky the cops don't know as they are a STEAL!

Anyways...I will not do a comparisons thread between the 2 speakers cause I'd be insulting my friend and I know he won't see this in this thread!

Now stop drinking and finish them up...
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Struggling overly tired and drunk wiring from the crossover to the sides woofers, lol. Did the crossover no problem this way bit didn't label what goes where. I am kicking myself bit laughing oh so hard at the same time. Wish I didn't have to cram everything in at once, lol
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I am not that drunk. Damn you auto correct!
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Maybe take a break and do it sober, make sure it's right
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Yeah I had to stop. I was delirious. Awake for 30 hours and a few beers = brain dead. Couldn't will myself anymore I had to sleep!
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Well I got two of them up and running. Something is definitely off on one of them. The other I am not sure about yet. I didn't get to listen to them much, but I need to check the connections.

One learning. Do not ever use solid wire! I have had a few wires break around the solder point. I am going to remove both crossovers and install braided wire. I knew I should have done this and didn't listen to my gut.

I will start buy building the third crossover and swap it out in one of the completed cabinets. Shouldn't take long that way.

I really wish I wasn't working so much. The extra money is great but I have no free time and I am exhausted when I get home. Shift work sucks for this.
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Sorry to hear that mbyrnes. Better luck on the next go. Did you post your work? Did I check it? That might help. But if you have weak solder joints something probably came loose. Sometimes you can't even see it. Bob Sorel had the same thing. Was a bad joint.
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It's actually the wire breaking. The solder joints are fine. When I place the crossover into the cabinet the wire gets stressed and breaks.

I should be good on building the crossover. I have wired a bunch of circuits before so reading and understanding a print isn't hard for me.

In the two completed speakers I had 3 total broken wires that I found. Wouldn't be surprised to find more.

No worries though. I'll get them singing sooner or later! After this crazy stretch of work it gets much easier. I normally only work 50% of the days so plenty of time is coming to work on them.
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Do the barrier strips come with the kit?
I don't see them in the pics on Erich's site.


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Do the barrier strips come with the kit?
I don't see them in the pics on Erich's site.


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No...they do not.
The 1099 kit as it stands now has the front baffle, the drivers, driver mounting screws, the wave guide/with driver, the ports, some gasket tape, and the parts for the XO exclusive of wires, mounting board, barrier strips, etcetera.
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Do the barrier strips come with the kit?
I don't see them in the pics on Erich's site.


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No they don't. They're cheap enough online. You can get then through amazon in a couple of days.
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