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Mini Marty with 18" LMS Ultra?

Has anyone done a mini Marty build with an lms ultra? The new forum search feature is horrible and I can't search for it. It seems 95% of the builds are with the SI or Dayton. TC's website says it'll work in 8 cubic feet ported...

I've been searching for the best driver possible for a mini Marty build. The old lady will only let me do one sub in the living room so I'm going to put the best one in it that I can the mini Marty is as big of box as I can get away with, and it's even pushing it.

I guess if the LMS doesn't work out I can go for the UXL if they're ever back in stock...
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People don't use Ultra's because they are expensive.

NotNyt, myself and a few others are the rare breed.
(A rare breed of crazy or stupid (or both); can't figure out which... )

The UXL requires half the wattage than the LMS does if I recall correctly, and it's half the price too.

The LMS, XXX or UXL or SI-24 are all great choices if you are stuck with a one-sub restriction.

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Has anyone done a mini Marty build with an lms ultra? The new forum search feature is horrible and I can't search for it. It seems 95% of the builds are with the SI or Dayton. TC's website says it'll work in 8 cubic feet ported...

I've been searching for the best driver possible for a mini Marty build. The old lady will only let me do one sub in the living room so I'm going to put the best one in it that I can the mini Marty is as big of box as I can get away with, and it's even pushing it.

I guess if the LMS doesn't work out I can go for the UXL if they're ever back in stock...
Only one sub you say?!





What BassThatHz said, LMS is expensive, but would it work? Probably, and sound amazing too, because the LMS is BEAST.
Personally, if I lived in the USA, and shipping wasn't a killer, I would snatch the stereo integrity drivers at the presale price if you got time to wait.
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Has anyone done a mini Marty build with an lms ultra? The new forum search feature is horrible and I can't search for it. It seems 95% of the builds are with the SI or Dayton. TC's website says it'll work in 8 cubic feet ported...

I've been searching for the best driver possible for a mini Marty build. The old lady will only let me do one sub in the living room so I'm going to put the best one in it that I can the mini Marty is as big of box as I can get away with, and it's even pushing it.

I guess if the LMS doesn't work out I can go for the UXL if they're ever back in stock...
Haven't ran the UXL but I do have dual LMS ultra's in a little over 16 cu ft box ported and I can tell you compared to their sealed counter part that i was running prior... holy hell. So I'm sure an 8 cuft ported would do great but you'll need a strong amp to get the maximum out of it.
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I have the uxl18 in a minimarty and its fantastic. Never had the lms but I don't think with your ears you could tell the difference. Its effortless, deep,smooth and to me looks better then the lms.

I also have a si18 in a minimarty and I can't hear a difference in quality of bass but there is definitely a difference in output. I am assuming mainly due to power handling (1100 vs 2200) . measured the uxl18 has about 4dbs more across the spectrum.
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Only one sub you say?!



That is hilarious!

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Haven't ran the UXL but I do have dual LMS ultra's in a little over 16 cu ft box ported and I can tell you compared to their sealed counter part that i was running prior... holy hell. So I'm sure an 8 cuft ported would do great but you'll need a strong amp to get the maximum out of it.
Whatever sub I end up getting, I was planning on powering it with an iNuke 6000 DSP just to future-proof myself and have some amp head room too.

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I have the uxl18 in a minimarty and its fantastic. Never had the lms but I don't think with your ears you could tell the difference. Its effortless, deep,smooth and to me looks better then the lms.

I also have a si18 in a minimarty and I can't hear a difference in quality of bass but there is definitely a difference in output. I am assuming mainly due to power handling (1100 vs 2200) . measured the uxl18 has about 4dbs more across the spectrum.
Is the quality of bass you refer to with movies? Have you done a comparison with the UXL and SI with music? I've read a few different comparisons and people have said the UXL isn't as good with music. Specifically, I was reading a lot about the FTW21 vs. the SI 24. The UXL is the same motor though so I was guessing it's the same sounding sub, just smaller. What are your thoughts being someone who owns both?
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Music is the same. How could a sub play better or worse with music. I don't buy the musical sub theory. I could see the opposite with a sub being good for music but can't hit 20hz well.
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That is hilarious!



Whatever sub I end up getting, I was planning on powering it with an iNuke 6000 DSP just to future-proof myself and have some amp head room too.


Is the quality of bass you refer to with movies? Have you done a comparison with the UXL and SI with music? I've read a few different comparisons and people have said the UXL isn't as good with music. Specifically, I was reading a lot about the FTW21 vs. the SI 24. The UXL is the same motor though so I was guessing it's the same sounding sub, just smaller. What are your thoughts being someone who owns both?
I was watching that thread too, being a FTW-21 owner, I didn't really understand how they weren't musical given the UXL is pretty well regarded across the board, but then again the SI-24 is now 1300 dollars and I payed less then 1000 for both my 21's. Either way Ill let you know when I finish them how I feel.
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That is hilarious!



Whatever sub I end up getting, I was planning on powering it with an iNuke 6000 DSP just to future-proof myself and have some amp head room too.


Is the quality of bass you refer to with movies? Have you done a comparison with the UXL and SI with music? I've read a few different comparisons and people have said the UXL isn't as good with music. Specifically, I was reading a lot about the FTW21 vs. the SI 24. The UXL is the same motor though so I was guessing it's the same sounding sub, just smaller. What are your thoughts being someone who owns both?

I'm in the camp of "bass is bass" the only thing that would really cause one driver to sound different then another is distortion. For example chalugadp had a UXL-18 and SI 18 both in the same sub cabinets, the only thing that would really cause one to sound different over the other is the amount of distortion they had. If the UXL-18 was playing 110dB @ 20hz with 10% THD and the SI 18 was also playing 110dB @ 20hz but with 25% THD that would cause the two drivers to sound different from each other.


I could be wrong and if I am I'm sure someone with more knowledge will step in and say something, but from the experience that I have and reading that I've done that is the major factor that would cause subs to sound different.
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I think your right Joe. I never drive my sub's crazy hard. I knew that two sub's is all I was going to have in my living room so that's why I went with the uxl18. Listening to some music right now before the Brazil/Mexico game.
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I think your right Joe. I never drive my sub's crazy hard. I knew that two sub's is all I was going to have in my living room so that's why I went with the uxl18. Listening to some music right now before the Brazil/Mexico game.
Hey aren't you suppose to be standing on the picket line right now!...lol
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Already did my two hours. Two weeks of pay down the drain. I'm out 5k... Grrrrrr
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Yeah that sucks, sorry to hear that buddy. Hopefully everyone will remove their heads from their butts and hammer out a deal that works for both parties.
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Music is the same. How could a sub play better or worse with music. I don't buy the musical sub theory. I could see the opposite with a sub being good for music but can't hit 20hz well.
That is good to hear.

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I was watching that thread too, being a FTW-21 owner, I didn't really understand how they weren't musical given the UXL is pretty well regarded across the board, but then again the SI-24 is now 1300 dollars and I payed less then 1000 for both my 21's. Either way Ill let you know when I finish them how I feel.
I'm looking forward to it! I really enjoy seeing the builds that are done around here.

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I'm in the camp of "bass is bass" the only thing that would really cause one driver to sound different then another is distortion. For example chalugadp had a UXL-18 and SI 18 both in the same sub cabinets, the only thing that would really cause one to sound different over the other is the amount of distortion they had. If the UXL-18 was playing 110dB @ 20hz with 10% THD and the SI 18 was also playing 110dB @ 20hz but with 25% THD that would cause the two drivers to sound different from each other.


I could be wrong and if I am I'm sure someone with more knowledge will step in and say something, but from the experience that I have and reading that I've done that is the major factor that would cause subs to sound different.
I've read in the past, which could be completely wrong, that sometimes cone material makes a difference in the sound. I once owned some Rainbow components for my car and they always promoted paper cones for more a more natural sound. Could just be marketing BS, but I don't know enough about it to know if they're full of it or not.

I'm still curious how the UXL and 5400 compare. They're probably a lot closer than I feel they should be based on price... similar cone area and xmax...

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"I'm in the camp of "bass is bass" the only thing that would really cause one driver to sound different then another is distortion."


yeah, but that's kind of like saying it sounds the same unless it doesn't. :-)


there is harmonic distortion, intermodulation distortion, frequency response distortion, power compression distortion, amp-clipping distortion, port compression and port resonance distortion, air spring distortion, just off the top of my head.


there are a variety of ways to address each of these depending on what one is trying to accomplish.


and, in most cases, the other part of the subwoofer-room system, the room itself, is frequently the worst offender.


except for the rear wall, i think your system does just about everything right. a limp-mass absorber tuned to first length mode might solve that one too.

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"I'm in the camp of "bass is bass" the only thing that would really cause one driver to sound different then another is distortion."


yeah, but that's kind of like saying it sounds the same unless it doesn't. :-)


there is harmonic distortion, intermodulation distortion, frequency response distortion, power compression distortion, amp-clipping distortion, port compression and port resonance distortion, air spring distortion, just off the top of my head.


there are a variety of ways to address each of these depending on what one is trying to accomplish.


and, in most cases, the other part of the subwoofer-room system, the room itself, is frequently the worst offender.


except for the rear wall, i think your system does just about everything right. a limp-mass absorber tuned to first length mode might solve that one too.
Last I heard from Mark in late May he said the UXL-18's should be back by the end of June. I'll probably shoot him an email late next week and see if that time goal is still looking good. Hopefully some of us that have been waiting and holding out on buying other products will have the ability to scoop some UXL-18's up within the next couple of weeks.
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"I'm in the camp of "bass is bass" the only thing that would really cause one driver to sound different then another is distortion."


yeah, but that's kind of like saying it sounds the same unless it doesn't. :-)


there is harmonic distortion, intermodulation distortion, frequency response distortion, power compression distortion, amp-clipping distortion, port compression and port resonance distortion, air spring distortion, just off the top of my head.


there are a variety of ways to address each of these depending on what one is trying to accomplish.


and, in most cases, the other part of the subwoofer-room system, the room itself, is frequently the worst offender.


except for the rear wall, i think your system does just about everything right. a limp-mass absorber tuned to first length mode might solve that one too.
If the room is the worst offender, then, in your opinion, is it worth buying a sub that is twice as much money if the room it is going in will not be ideal?

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Last I heard from Mark in late May he said the UXL-18's should be back by the end of June. I'll probably shoot him an email late next week and see if that time goal is still looking good. Hopefully some of us that have been waiting and holding out on buying other products will have the ability to scoop some UXL-18's up within the next couple of weeks.
If you hear from him would you mind sharing the news on an ETA?
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Last I heard from Mark in late May he said the UXL-18's should be back by the end of June. I'll probably shoot him an email late next week and see if that time goal is still looking good. Hopefully some of us that have been waiting and holding out on buying other products will have the ability to scoop some UXL-18's up within the next couple of weeks.

Although I can't recall right at this moment but I believe there is at least one person looking to sell their UXL-18's from the group buy.
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Although I can't recall right at this moment but I believe there is at least one person looking to sell their UXL-18's from the group buy.
JB, if you could look into that and come up with a name that would be great. I've been checking the classifieds on here almost daily for probably a month and have not seen any pop up, but a pair is something I'd jump on immediately! Thanks buddy.
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If the room is the worst offender, then, in your opinion, is it worth buying a sub that is twice as much money if the room it is going in will not be ideal?


If you hear from him would you mind sharing the news on an ETA?
Absolutely, will do!
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Last I heard from Mark in late May he said the UXL-18's should be back by the end of June. I'll probably shoot him an email late next week and see if that time goal is still looking good. Hopefully some of us that have been waiting and holding out on buying other products will have the ability to scoop some UXL-18's up within the next couple of weeks.
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If you hear from him would you mind sharing the news on an ETA?
I got an email back from him on june 9th saying the parts were coming in and his best guess was the end of this month.
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