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I already have some tutorials on my YouTube channel. Its video sub build channel.

Can't find it, got a link?

Edit: nevermind I found it


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here's the new tutorial
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Well, thanks to Chalugadp I was finally able to get a final design done in sketchup. After putting the panel sizes together I'd determined (see pic a few posts back), none of them fit right, plus the vol was too small.

So I went to the old pad 'n pencil (and calculator) to figure out what dimensions would give me a little over 8cuft. I had a fixed height of 25" since it's just under the height of the couch arm and would make it comfortable to set things on it during it's other use as the end table. The final volume will be roughly 8.4cuft before any bracing so it should work out fine. From there I just built the panels around the volume (I know, I have to change the first inner baffle to the larger diameter circle) and came up with this...



Now I'll just add these cuts into the cut sheet program which should end up making me use 2-3 sheets of wood.

Speaking of...I've been reading some less than stellar reviews on the Baltic birtch plywood selections at HD and Lowes. They mention bubbling and cracking of the veneer. Has anyone run into these issues using BB?


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2 sheets will do my young
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2 sheets will do my young
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Fit on two sheets it will? Play around with the program I must


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A full Marty will fit on two sheets so yours will .
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Help with first DIY: DO SI 18

Well, unfortunately this is the best I can get



If you know a trick I'm all ears!


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Are you building two ?
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No but there are two extra inner baffles so I could recess the drivers enough for grills?


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Change the height to 24" so you can get more pieces on a sheet. Adjust other measurement. That's why all Marty's are 24" for width.
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Change the height to 24" so you can get more pieces on a sheet. Adjust other measurement. That's why all Marty's are 24" for width.

I like that idea, it'll save me $50 in wood. Have you used any of the Baltic birch or do you stick with mdf and veneer? Reading about issues with the BB.


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I would never use bb. Extra money . MDF veneers better and I wouldn't finish plywood. I use ultralight MDF for everything. Lighter, less dust then regular MDF. Just have to brace a little more.
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Yeah. Same. BB is great stuff, don't get me wrong but be ready for an extra expense.

I would really recommend the nice ply when you are for sure going to be transporting it, carrying and moving it around. It's a bit lighter and tougher than MDF. For purely domestic use, I'd go MDF.

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Yeah. Same. BB is great stuff, don't get me wrong but be ready for an extra expense.

I would really recommend the nice ply when you are for sure going to be transporting it, carrying and moving it around. It's a bit lighter and tougher than MDF. For purely domestic use, I'd go MDF.

Get ready for quite a mess when cutting.
On a serious note. Wear breathing and eye protection when you start your project.

MDF is nasty and you will die if you breathe it in.
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Y'all are beginning to change my mind about the BB. Help convince me it's better since I want the wood look.

Also, how you do a round over with veneer without cutting out the corner completely and replacing it with another wood as seen in the chalugadp's video build?


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I frikin hate MDF with the fury of 1,000 armies. I use BB or other good ply for every build. I have never tried veneer but it is on a short list of what I want to try out soon... I usually source my ply from one of the several lumberyards around here and can usually find a nice stock. Ply in general is finicky, but if you find some good product, it opens up some good finishing possibilities.

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On a serious note. Wear breathing and eye protection when you start your project.

MDF is nasty and you will die if you breathe it in.
That's why I use ultralight MDF . half the dust produced. Not much more then plywood.
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Y'all are beginning to change my mind about the BB. Help convince me it's better since I want the wood look.

Also, how you do a round over with veneer without cutting out the corner completely and replacing it with another wood as seen in the chalugadp's video build?


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If you do a big roundover, say 3/8" on the top side edges, you can pull the veneer over and just use one piece for side,top,and side.
I'm too chicken to try cause I think I would screw it up.
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If you do a big roundover, say 3/8" on the top side edges, you can pull the veneer over and just use one piece for side,top,and side.
I'm too chicken to try cause I think I would screw it up.

That's what's steering me from veneer in general.


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flat veneer is easy. You saw me. My daughter did half of it. If you have the tools it will happen
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On a serious note. Wear breathing and eye protection when you start your project.

MDF is nasty and you will die if you breathe it in.
Ah, good call! I should have mentioned that along with my warning.

Yes. Definitely grab a face mask of sorts and eye protection. Closing your eyes is ... you know ... not very effective when you start cutting your own fingers off trying to keep dust out of your eye.
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maxcut is another really good cutsheet progarm. It's got a really nice interface and the basic version ( which is still powerful ) is free.

http://www.maxcut.co.za/
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maxcut is another really good cutsheet progarm. It's got a really nice interface and the basic version ( which is still powerful ) is free.

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Whhhha! Why is this the first time I have ever seen this program... Def going to check it out when I get home. Thanks for posting it up kevings.

If it's a great resource, I'm going to recommend that it be incorporated into the New to DIY? FAQ's in here sticky...

As soon as we get it moved back to sticky status that is...
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Whhhha! Why is this the first time I have ever seen this program... Def going to check it out when I get home. Thanks for posting it up kevings.

If it's a great resource, I'm going to recommend that it be incorporated into the New to DIY? FAQ's in here sticky...

As soon as we get it moved back to sticky status that is...
Popa,

yeah, one of the engineers who made my 3d printed "LTD02" feet for my 3 marty subs, turned me onto it, after i showed him a cutsheet i had drawn out. Make sure you spend some time playing with the "optimization" options. It's also slick because when im building, i just print out the cutsheet and keep checking off the panels as i complete them ( saves time by keeping me organized ). it will also label your panels, which is pretty nice.

i actually also just used maxcut to make my cutsheet for the coffee table sub im working on now. you'll see it on here soon enough....4 x 18's!!!
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flat veneer is easy. You saw me. My daughter did half of it. If you have the tools it will happen

What did you pay for the veneer you used? You got it from some Canadian only place right? I'm seeing a pretty wide range of prices.


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On a serious note. Wear breathing and eye protection when you start your project.



MDF is nasty and you will die if you breathe it in.

So it doesn't create a thin, protective barrier from future harmful contaminants?


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What did you pay for the veneer you used? You got it from some Canadian only place right? I'm seeing a pretty wide range of prices.


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Lots of places to get veneer. Depends upon the wood species but cherry looks good and is around 60 a sheet.
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Lots of places to get veneer. Depends upon the wood species but cherry looks good and is around 60 a sheet.

4 x 8' sheet?


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For veneering, you are using a vacuum bag type method dp? I am now starting to look into the process and want to try it on the next fun little bookshelf project I plan on getting going here pretty soon.

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