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L/R speakers for music ~$800

I was originally settled on buying the soon to be rereleased Chane A5's along with doing a DIY MartySub, but after pouring through threads I'm going all in.

So now I'm looking to start with a set of DIY L/R speakers for mostly 2.2 music listening in a space that's about 4000 cubic feet. I don't need ear shattering loudness, but I'm looking for clean, rich sound in a wide range of music from folk and country to rock and classical. I'm planning on using the DIY subwoofers as stands. This will also eventually serve for 4.2 or 5.2 movies, but it'll mostly be for music.

So, what are some good options for mostly two channel music with subwoofers in a 4k cubic foot space?
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Budget?

Statements seem to be highly regarded for music.
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I've looked at the Tempests as well as the 1099, but I've read opinions on the SEOS design not being preferred for music, but then I see plenty who seem to be happy with them. I'm not really convinced one way or the other, but the cut baffles and the price point are definitely quite tempting.

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Budget?

Statements seem to be highly regarded for music.
Budget is about $800.

I've seen some threads about Statements, but haven't read enough about them. I'll have to check them out more.
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Don't forget the Statements need to be well out from the wall to sound their best due to the open backed midrange, 18-24" IIRC. If that doesn't work for your situation I'd look elsewhere.
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I'd recommend Sententials.

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im curious about statements made about the SEOS designs not being good for music. TBH ive prob heard more SEOS designs than anyone besides EricH and they all are great for music.


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im curious about statements made about the SEOS designs not being good for music. TBH ive prob heard more SEOS designs than anyone besides EricH and they all are great for music.
I've have 2 quality DIY conventional speakers and the 1099s. The 1099's are good on music, but not excellent in comparison. The top end and upper mids aren't as smooth. Still way nicer than say, run of the mill polks or other BB speakers. Depends on what you are used to.

EDIT: I should say that I sold off my conventional speakers (being boxed up now lol) because I'm so HT dominant and the SEOS are loads of fun with their lack of compression (which the conventional low efficiency speakers can't touch)

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Which conventional models?

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I've have 2 quality DIY conventional speakers and the 1099s. The 1099's are good on music, but not excellent in comparison. The top end and upper mids aren't as smooth. Still way nicer than say, run of the mill polks or other BB speakers. Depends on what you are used to.

EDIT: I should say that I sold off my conventional speakers (being boxed up now lol) because I'm so HT dominant and the SEOS are loads of fun with their lack of compression (which the conventional low efficiency speakers can't touch)
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Is that $800 each speaker, $800 the pair, or $800 the pair including subs?
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Which conventional models?
Dillon Acoustics Ego (Focal Utopia W/Hiquphon)
Dennis Murphy's Usher 2-way ( 9950/8945A)
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Is that $800 each speaker, $800 the pair, or $800 the pair including subs?

quit asking the important questions :P


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So, what are some good options for mostly two channel music with subwoofers in a 4k cubic foot space?
probably worth asking what type of music you listen to. Some speakers do better than others at certain styles of music.
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Those certainly sound like TOTL speakers Anthony. I know others have said they prefer the 1099 to other speakers like Watt puppy's and others, but those who say that like insane SPL. Personally I found them to be incredible at music, but as you know I'm extremely biased. And they certainly were designed with high output HT in mind over most any other form of listening.

Why not keep your smaller speakers for some nice critical listening or another room? I imagine those are exceptional speakers.
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Those certainly sound like TOTL speakers Anthony. I know others have said they prefer the 1099 to other speakers like Watt puppy's and others, but those who say that like insane SPL. Personally I found them to be incredible at music, but as you know I'm extremely biased. And they certainly were designed with high output HT in mind over most any other form of listening.

Why not keep your smaller speakers for some nice critical listening or another room? I imagine those are exceptional speakers.

I'd keep them if 1) I had another room to setup dedicated to music. 2) I didnt often fund my hobby with old hobby goods :P Those speakers had a good life with me and now they are on their way to a new home.

I don't regret for one moment getting the 1099s though. Speakers are all about trade offs. I just traded one set of awesomeness for another. And being that I'm now 99% HT, it was the right move. If I ever do move into a new house and have the room, I'll still keep the 1099's for HT and do something new for music :-D
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Is that $800 each speaker, $800 the pair, or $800 the pair including subs?
$800 for the pair.

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probably worth asking what type of music you listen to. Some speakers do better than others at certain styles of music.
I mentioned it in the OP, but I'm not sure how much that would help narrow.

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I don't need ear shattering loudness, but I'm looking for clean, rich sound in a wide range of music from folk and country to rock and classical.
My tastes are pretty broad. I'm currently playing some old blues from Mississippi John Hurt.
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What about the possibility of upping your budget slightly to go with a pair of Beyma TPL-150 ribbons with a single AE TD12 or AE TD10 for the mid in a -way configuration. That would give you more efficiency and sensitivity than any comparable dome or ribbons.

The ultimate tweeter in regards to music is in my opinion the RAAL lineup. I have their 70-20xr in my 2-channel setup and love them! You could nab some RAAL 15d's for around $300 each and add a pair of Seas or ScanSpeak mid's in a 2-way bookshelf style that would probably be a good bit better than the Statements in the mid and top ranges. You could get Dennis Murphy to help on the crossovers.

Or you could build the Statement Monitors for under $800. Those would be so nice sounding for music. The Seos designs are the ultimate for theater usage, and do pretty well with music, but they just can not compete with the Statement Monitors, TPL-150 or RAAL musicality.
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L/R speakers for music ~$800

Zaphs zdt3.5 are within your budget even after build materials and sound very nice. There is also a horizontal center.


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Besides the zdt3.5, I'd also consider the SR71 kit since these will be used with subs.
http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com...ir-parts-only/
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im curious about statements made about the SEOS designs not being good for music. TBH ive prob heard more SEOS designs than anyone besides EricH and they all are great for music.
I've read multiple threads about mostly the 1099s and while the overall views were very positive, every once in a while a comment will mention how they wouldn't want these for mostly music listening. Now, I'm simplifying and using my own words, but the gist of the comments were they did great for music, but there is better. So, for my purposes, which is dominated by music listening (probably near 95%), I'm wondering if there is better at my price point and if the difference is even that large.

Anthony_Gomez commented about this earlier in the thread, but he also posted a more detailed one in his build thread.
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In that price range, I'll add my vote for the 1099s. I have also heard many different speakers in my room and I think they would be very hard to beat at that price point.

IMO I think the whole music/movie thing gets blown way out of proportion and frankly is stupid. If a high fidelity speaker produces clear sound, has an acceptable frequency response, and good off axis performance, why does it matter if you're watching a movie (which by the way has music in a soundtrack) or listening to music?


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IMO I think the whole music/movie thing gets blown way out of proportion and frankly is stupid. If a high fidelity speaker produces clear sound, has an acceptable frequency response, and good off axis performance, why does it matter if you're watching a movie (which by the way has music in a soundtrack) or listening to music?
Your comment makes the assumption that the content (dynamics and frequency spectrum) of the two types of sources are the same when in fact they are often very different.
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Tempests are AWESOME for music.

But if you can fit them get the sentinels, they're even better.


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What about the possibility of upping your budget slightly to go with a pair of Beyma TPL-150 ribbons with a single AE TD12 or AE TD10 for the mid in a -way configuration. That would give you more efficiency and sensitivity than any comparable dome or ribbons.

The ultimate tweeter in regards to music is in my opinion the RAAL lineup. I have their 70-20xr in my 2-channel setup and love them! You could nab some RAAL 15d's for around $300 each and add a pair of Seas or ScanSpeak mid's in a 2-way bookshelf style that would probably be a good bit better than the Statements in the mid and top ranges. You could get Dennis Murphy to help on the crossovers.

Or you could build the Statement Monitors for under $800. Those would be so nice sounding for music. The Seos designs are the ultimate for theater usage, and do pretty well with music, but they just can not compete with the Statement Monitors, TPL-150 or RAAL musicality.
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Your comment makes the assumption that the content (dynamics and frequency spectrum) of the two types of sources are the same when in fact they are often very different.
Movies can contain some of the most dynamic content I can think of. Frequency spectrum will vary, but many movies contain quite demanding soundtrack material. My point being - if it (speaker being reviewed) sounds great for a wide variety of movie content it will also not suck when playing music. I think the primary difference for most is that they are focused more on the audio side of things when listening critically in a music session.

The one consideration I would make for a "music only" type setup is frequency range on the low end. If one is not open to using subs, that will limit the pool of available gear obviously and often clashes with speakers designed as higher efficiency models which would limit the low end if used without dedicated subs in the chain.


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You are putting words into my mouth that I never said. Any good speaker should sound good for music or movies. But a speaker that is excellent for music makes compromises so that it isn't excellent for movies and visa versa.
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I am a believer that a speaker should be good on both. Having said that, Anthony's frame of reference seems to be low effeciency yet very good, very flat, and very smooth drivers with very wide extension; then over to the 1099 which is very high effeciency but not that flat of FR. I even state it in the 1099 thread that it's not the flattest thing in the world. Better than many high effeciency designs I might say though.

Having said that, I find them spectacular for music, but hey, I made them so what do you expect. I've had speaker that are very flat and smooth yet don't sound realistic like the 1099.
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I think what I said when I commented more elaborately, still holds and that was that I was spoiled :P I've been to a handful of audio meets, and major audio events and heard all sorts of system costing tens to hundreds of thousands. If you really distill things down though, I don't think the average person who hasn't experienced some of the speakers I've listened to, would have any reservations about the 1099 paired with a sub. In fact, I think they would be ecstatic with the clean dynamics. <$800 for the 1099 gets you a hell of a good sounding system for the money and it's really hard to beat their performance if you can handle the size. If I was into rock like the OP mentioned, I wouldn't want low efficiency/surface area speakers that I'm more used to. Silky smooth little domes and ribbon tweeters are awesome, but ...trade offs!
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Anthony - you've almost sold me on 1099s. The way yours look sitting on your subs is what settled it for me to move away from towers and to using subs as stands for the L/R. That arrangement will just be perfect for space in my room.

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Tempests are AWESOME for music.

But if you can fit them get the sentinels, they're even better.
And yet you've got the Tempests. Did the Sentinels not fit for you?
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