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I could see this thing going for $3k a pop. Maybe more.
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3) UXL 18s have just around 24L displacement vs close to 18L for the 32". At right around $1200 for the UXLs using group buy prices, (two FTW 21s would be cheaper still) it'd be hard to justify several hundred dollars more for the 32 unless viewing it more for it's cool factor which definitely has its niche. I have no doubt it will perform well with Mark building it, but how much better for how much more $ than using multiples?
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3) UXL 18s have just around 24L displacement vs close to 18L for the 32". At right around $1200 for the UXLs using group buy prices, (two FTW 21s would be cheaper still) it'd be hard to justify several hundred dollars more for the 32 unless viewing it more for it's cool factor which definitely has its niche. I have no doubt it will perform well with Mark building it, but how much better for how much more $ than using multiples?
IMO, multiples always win... but thats what this thread is for, see what peoples reactions are and what they are hoping to see.

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Just a random thought I had. Since this driver is 32" wide plus a little baffle sticking out on either side, it will only enter most rooms sideways.

How many mounting holes are there? I'm guessing 8 won't be enough.
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I guess a 32" could have applications but multiple subs in multiple locations is better than one huge sub in one location so unless someone is planning on 3 of these, I don't get it.
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If you end up making what I wrote in my previous reply happen I'll personally buy one of Mark's 32's because I can't even buy the motor needed to reach a .707 in 10 ft^3 for that massive heavy cone nor the soft parts, coil, etc, and ship it for $2k so if he's willing to loose that much money I'll gladly give him $2k for the driver.

And in all honesty it would be neat to see the prototype motor and coil Mark ends up using.
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IMO, multiples always win... but thats what this thread is for, see what peoples reactions are and what they are hoping to see.
If he uses a 6" vc and manages a strong enough motor, things could get interesting. That said, I still agree with you on multiples.
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I don't get it.

This isn't the product for you then.

The best value isn't always the best subwoofer driver. Somebody must push the envelope.
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I also prefer multiples, but if limited to a single location then this is an unbeatable driver. It's a very cool product that I hope gets done and hope people use.
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This happened just because of the unboxing. LOL

As others have stated a driver like this I figure would be close to 2500 each. I hate seeing value comparisons and thinking that is the best way to buy a subwoofer. If that was the case then buy as many 99 dollar Type S 15's as you can. While this wont be happening in my budget I am still very curious to see the progress. Maybe the same motor will be the same one used for the 24" also.
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My first two suggested parameters. I want one. If I can't fit it then I want someone that I know to have one!
This is such a unique product it has a unique factor that can help push price. I image it is hard to hit the same value per space per dollar as the heavy hitter 18s and the ftw21. It can't be to far from the best displacement per space per dollar as those. But I would save awhile for one.
Maybe have a trade up program so you can learn / experience and go from 12, 15, 18, 21, 24, 32 to multiples. The school of boom does not need to be a one hit wonder
Where is my tape measure? I need to find where I can fit a 36x36x48" box. No larger!
Wait. Can these be down firing? As in basement ceiling mounted? I can't build a couch riser as I only have 7' basement ceilings. Maybe overhead nearfield?
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My thoughts on this are.....I would prefer to see more of a push on an uber 18" to 24" uber, a true LMS killer. This makes sense especially from a smaller build house where resources are limited and putting those resources into a niche driver within a niche market might stretch the resources pretty thin. An uber 32" driver such as this has a very limited market. I think many even with the means would still want a more conspicuous driver that can either be hidden more easily behind their screens or placed somewhere modestly in their home theater. I am all for promoting the R&D for a top of the line driver, but I think at 32" we are pushing it beyond what the market would accept and those resources are better put into even better 18"-24" drivers.

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The sheer size of a 32" sub in my limited space would be a problem in which I could only fit 4 of them.
Major bummer if you ask me.
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I'll be sitting back and not attacking [unlike someone who rhymes with "nate" and "dog"] a larger driver format to see what they come up with. It's been incredibly interesting to see/watch the actions of those who do not have a driver of size only to see them act like they have not chastized the larger format drivers themselves. But I am interested to see how much Mark charges for his 32" that works in a 0.707 alignment in a 10 ft^3 sealed enclosure. I know what the "stock" 32" neo motor costs FOB China and $2k shipped inside the lower 48 continental states leaves zero for money made on the transaction.
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My thoughts on this are.....I would prefer to see more of a push on an uber 18" to 24" uber, a true LMS killer. This makes sense especially from a smaller build house where resources are limited and putting those resources into a niche driver within a niche market might stretch the resources pretty thin. An uber 32" driver such as this has a very limited market. I think many even with the means would still want a more conspicuous driver that can either be hidden more easily behind their screens or placed somewhere modestly in their home theater. I am all for promoting the R&D for a top of the line driver, but I think at 32" we are pushing it beyond what the market would accept and those resources are better put into even better 18"-24" drivers.
I'm with you on this. I think 18s are a nice sweet spot for cone / motor / coil to balance nicely. A high excursion 21 with a 4" or larger VC can likely get the job done as well. I like seeing strong motored drivers with low fs and crazy excursion
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I'll be sitting back and not attacking [unlike someone who rhymes with "nate" and "dog"] a larger driver format to see what they come up with. It's been incredibly interesting to see/watch the actions of those who do not have a driver of size only to see them act like they have not chastized the larger format drivers themselves. But I am interested to see how much Mark charges for his 32" that works in a 0.707 alignment in a 10 ft^3 sealed enclosure. I know what the "stock" 32" neo motor costs FOB China and $2k shipped inside the lower 48 continental states leaves zero for money made on the transaction.
No one said it was "going" to be 2K, that was just a suggestion by someone else for a price point. Nothing is set in stone yet.
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My thoughts on this are.....I would prefer to see more of a push on an uber 18" to 24" uber, a true LMS killer. This makes sense especially from a smaller build house where resources are limited and putting those resources into a niche driver within a niche market might stretch the resources pretty thin. An uber 32" driver such as this has a very limited market. I think many even with the means would still want a more conspicuous driver that can either be hidden more easily behind their screens or placed somewhere modestly in their home theater. I am all for promoting the R&D for a top of the line driver, but I think at 32" we are pushing it beyond what the market would accept and those resources are better put into even better 18"-24" drivers.
Maybe the new motor "could" be used on other such drivers....

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What are our voice coil options?
I could see an advantage to four coils for some flexibility.
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I have 36inch doors.

If I put 2 of my LMS's and 2 of my 21's in my main house, I could easily accommodate 10 sealed 32's and 2 HzHorns.
But that would be the limit and half my absorbers would be rendered useless as a result.

If I reduced the number to 6 32's and 2 HzHorns then there would be no impact on the absorption over what I have now.

None of these would be in optimal boxes though, but they'd be in decently-sized boxes.

I'm still working on just getting enough amplification for the subs and speakers I already have, which is taking WAY longer than I originally planned back in 2012.
There are also other areas of my theater that desperately need love, I've been neglecting them to fund electronics for the last 2 years.
I've added $8400 worth of electronics to my theater in just the last 2 years alone, and even with all the stuff I already had/have, I'm still not even half-way done YET.
My net worth has been increasing at a rate of >$4200 a month for the last 8 years, and that is STILL TOO SLOW.
I can't complain at all though, I live very-very comfortably. I wouldn't change a damn thing.
Things just take longer than planned is all.
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It's interesting how the size jumped from 24" to 32", almost as if it was the result of "F'it" engineering.
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Whoa, 32"!!

I have given up on the forums as there wasn't much interesting or exciting that caught my eye.

I am glad I popped in! I could use one of these, two, or three....
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I would like 6 of them.
Please send them to @tuxedocivic so he can figure out all the measurements for me.
I should get them back from him in a couple years. cough cough.
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So I've read all posts - thanks for the input thus far.

I can see two versions coming - one using a ferrite-based motor, the other using neo. I will begin with the ferrite since that is what I have on hand and I can magnetize them with little issue. I estimate a 12 inch motor size will be applied. I should have some general numbers once I get some measurements down.

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One hundred and fifty 32's, eh?

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Wait what....did you just say this is a GB on 32's for 2K, lol.(150 target) Would be crazy to see this same motor on the 24" also. 66mm excursion limits would be quite amazing on a 32" driver. WOW.
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How would one keep inductance low on a 6" voice coil over 66.6mm one way throw? 😈
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So a bad arse motor comes down to a neo vs. Iron challenge with a bit of shipping cost war thrown in? I don't mind a deep iron motor as long as two weak backs can carry it (150 pounds max?) And you can't identify partly melted car doors in the slugs! No voids in the mags!
Probably need a steel toe shoe warning sticker also. That can't add too much cost?
Sealed can't be over 15 cf... and ported over 30. That's all the room I really don't have unless it's ceiling mounted.
I think you need a few testers don't you?
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How would one keep inductance low on a 6" voice coil over 66.6mm one way throw? 😈
Only fartly funny thing i've got after the Marty reference...
So a bad arse motor comes down to a neo vs. Iron challenge with a bit of shipping cost war thrown in? I don't mind a deep iron motor as long as two weak backs can carry it (150 pounds max?) And you can't identify partly melted car doors in the slugs! No voids in the mags!
Probably need a steel toe shoe warning sticker also. That can't add too much cost?
Sealed can't be over 15 cf... and ported over 30. That's all the room I really don't have unless it's ceiling mounted.
I think you need a few testers don't you?
I need another bevy.
66mm was xmech not xmax. Xmax hasn't been determined yet. Expect 25mm or more.

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