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$1500 CAN enough for two decent DIY 15" subs?

Hey all!

So as above, I've got about 1500ish to put towards subs (give or take a hundred dollars). Canada's dollar (as most of you know) is not great at the moment, so it eliminates any thought of shipping a pair up from my favorite American manufacturers (PSA, Reaction etc).

I was going to pull the trigger on a pair of SVS PC12 NSD available new here north of the border, but with tax it will still be just over $2000.

I've seen the Dayton kit's, but don't know enough about the whole process to judge if they're worthwhile or not to buy and ship up here (and take the hit for duties and exchange). There are a couple of 12" kits available at Solen.ca (I'd link to them but the website is having problems ATM), but again don't know if they're competitive with Dayton's stuff or not; though one purportedly hits 125db at 25hz.

I'd ideally like extension to about 18hz (hopefully room gain adds 1-2 db) and thought if I built my own I might be able to pull it off within my budget? I don't mind large subs, but have no preference for sealed or ported. I'm also more concerned with extension than I am output. I don't have clamps (but could buy them) - and would prefer flatpacks to save me from having to cut myself (though I could always just get the specifications and take them to a carpenter to cut them for me)

Is there any hope to pull it off within my price range? Cheers!

PS. The other option is to seek out a pair of MFW-15's here in Canada and order two of Mark Seaton's new amps (will run about $1300 all said to get the amps here).

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How are you with woodworking ? Check out istonline.ca he's located in Winnipeg and the ixl is a great value. If you can manage to cut the wood or get home depot to do it. You can build pair of subs that will crap all over the svs subs.
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Hey all!

So as above, I've got about 1500ish to put towards subs (give or take a hundred dollars). Canada's dollar (as most of you know) is not great at the moment, so it eliminates any thought of shipping a pair up from my favorite American manufacturers (PSA, Reaction etc).

I was going to pull the trigger on a pair of SVS PC12 NSD available new here north of the border, but with tax it will still be just over $2000.

I've seen the Dayton kit's, but don't know enough about the whole process to judge if they're worthwhile or not to buy and ship up here (and take the hit for duties and exchange). There are a couple of 12" kits available at Solen.ca (I'd link to them but the website is having problems ATM), but again don't know if they're competitive with Dayton's stuff or not; though one purportedly hits 125db at 25hz.

I'd ideally like extension to about 18hz (hopefully room gain adds 1-2 db) and thought if I built my own I might be able to pull it off within my budget? I don't mind large subs, but have no preference for sealed or ported. I'm also more concerned with extension than I am output. I don't have clamps (but could buy them) - and would prefer flatpacks to save me from having to cut myself (though I could always just get the specifications and take them to a carpenter to cut them for me)

Is there any hope to pull it off within my price range? Cheers!

PS. The other option is to seek out a pair of MFW-15's here in Canada and order two of Mark Seaton's new amps (will run about $1300 all said to get the amps here).
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How are you with woodworking ? Check out istonline.ca he's located in Winnipeg and the ixl is a great value. If you can manage to cut the wood or get home depot to do it. You can build pair of subs that will crap all over the svs subs.
His 15" haven't been in stock forever, he'd have to go with the 18 MK2. Which IMO model out fantastic with about 800 watts ish. I have Wondered why more haven't used these rather than the Ultimax.
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His 15" haven't been in stock forever, he'd have to go with the 18 MK2. Which IMO model out fantastic with about 800 watts ish. I have Wondered why more haven't used these rather than the Ultimax.
He stopped making the15 along with the phallus.
I've had a. Pair of the ixl 18 . they are fantastic.
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His 15" haven't been in stock forever, he'd have to go with the 18 MK2. Which IMO model out fantastic with about 800 watts ish. I have Wondered why more haven't used these rather than the Ultimax.
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He stopped making the15 along with the phallus.
I've had a. Pair of the ixl 18 . they are fantastic.
So I had a look at the ixl 18, looks good? A pair for 750 CAN seems good, then that would leave me with getting either an ep4000 or an Inuke 3000dsp, getting the wood cut - and putting it together. I've had a fair amount of experience painting so finishing won't be TOO hard, but I had a look at the enclosure and it doesn't look very noob proof. At least not as much as the Martycube flat packs were.

http://istonline.ca/pagepics/enclosures/ixl18-1.jpg

I could take that to home depot / a carpenter and have it cut, but it seems light on the instructions as far as what to do from that point forward. The inside view definitely looks tough. What steps would you take to assemble the pieces together? Do you glue them and use screws? The enclosure construction is definitely the big question mark here.

I think I heard @lz7j something about knowing a guy here in Toronto. Perhaps I should try touch base with him.

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So I had a look at the ixl 18, looks good? A pair for 750 CAN seems good, then that would leave me with getting either an ep4000 or an Inuke 3000dsp, getting the wood cut - and putting it together. I've had a fair amount of experience painting so finishing won't be TOO hard, but I had a look at the enclosure and it doesn't look very noob proof. At least not as much as the Martycube flat packs were.

http://istonline.ca/pagepics/enclosures/ixl18-1.jpg

I could take that to home depot / a carpenter and have it cut, but it seems light on the instructions as far as what to do from that point forward. The inside view definitely looks tough. What steps would you take to assemble the pieces together? Do you glue them and use screws? The enclosure construction is definitely the big question mark here.

I think I heard @lz7j something about knowing a guy here in Toronto. Perhaps I should try touch base with him.

Cheers.
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Hi Sean,
If you're not doing anything tonight, come on by: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-di...2355017?page=1 I'm hosting a GTG and you can check out my DIY subs in person and you can talk to Josh who'll be attending about your cabinet/setup. He's the resident expert in these parts. He can build you the sub cabs... If you want something more boutique, ie. Curved cabinets with veneer, etc. I know a woodworker that has CNC machines who does excellent work. I can show you some of the speaker cabs he's built me.

Ixl18's are a good option, I think they perform slightly better than the ht-18's spec wise. I'm not sure if you've seen the infinity 1260 thread, 2 of those in small sealed boxes would cost under $400 CAD built and would only use a channel of an inuke3000.
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I wouldn't bother with the enclosure on the mach 5 website. It's HUGE and doesnt perform any better than the "marty" variants.

@lz7j where are you finding the infinity drivers for that cheap in Canada? I priced some out and the cheapest I could do was 150 each...


Oops i just realized Sean is looking for 15" drivers. Id still go with 18's , as cost and size won't change much in the long run.
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There's a local shop I found nearby selling them for $80 cash on kijiji. I managed to pick a 1250 and 1260 in a ghetto sealed box at garage sale literally 7 houses down for $30 a couple of weeks ago. Sean, you can demo the infinity' here too. I have them setup in my family room with a small 100w rms plate amp
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If you're not doing anything tonight, come on by: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-di...2355017?page=1 I'm hosting a GTG and you can check out my DIY subs in person and you can talk to Josh who'll be attending about your cabinet/setup. He's the resident expert in these parts. He can build you the sub cabs... If you want something more boutique, ie. Curved cabinets with veneer, etc. I know a woodworker that has CNC machines who does excellent work. I can show you some of the speaker cabs he's built me.

Ixl18's are a good option, I think they perform slightly better than the ht-18's spec wise. I'm not sure if you've seen the infinity 1260 thread, 2 of those in small sealed boxes would cost under $400 CAD built and would only use a channel of an inuke3000.
Hey man!... Damn what an excellent opportunity to audition AND speak to you guys all at once. Unfortunately I have to work tonight from about 6pm to 1am so am kind of SOL. What time does your GTG start?

I had a look at the thread you linked to and saw the dual infinities playing that AC/DC song (from a scene from Iron Man?) I didn't see any measurements that being said, what size are those drivers? can that little box hit 18hz with any authority? I was always under the impression 'there's no replacement for displacement' when it came to enclosure size.

Josh sounds like he'd be a great contact. I don't need anything fancy, just a couple of plain cabs would be perfect (which I could then finish). Would you mind me giving you or him a call at one point?



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I wouldn't bother with the enclosure on the mach 5 website. It's HUGE and doesnt perform any better than the "marty" variants.

@lz7j where are you finding the infinity drivers for that cheap in Canada? I priced some out and the cheapest I could do was 150 each...


Oops i just realized Sean is looking for 15" drivers. Id still go with 18's , as cost and size won't change much in the long run.
Hey Fatty, I'm fine with 18's of course as well, as long as I can fit them into budget. I had a look at the enclosure, and you're right it's quite tall, almost 3 feet. The Marty-cube @ 2' x 22.5" x 2' seems a little less imposing. The RA I had fit fairly nicely into my space, as it was longer than it was tall or wide, at 22" x 18" x 29", but I don't know if you can just 'DO' something like that without schematics to go by. I see the Marty allows for 18" drivers as well.
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Erich's new ported 18" enclosure should be simple to assemble

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Erich's new ported 18" enclosure should be simple to assemble
Shipping flat packs from the US to Canada would be a total waste of money IMO. Get HD to cut to amin enclosure and cut the driver hole way less $$.
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The IXL 18 is a great sub. I've had 16 of them over the years lol Still have 4! I was using a ep4000 bridged per driver. People in Canada are nuts not to use them.
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Just give me a heads up when you want to come by. I have all the Marty variants except for the "mini". If going with duals, a sealed 18" could be an option if a smaller cabinet is important. I have 4 different 18" drivers here as well that you could try.

Unless you're willing to do 4 x infinity 1260's, maybe scratch that off the list. You need x2.5 of those to compete with an ht-18 under 50hz.

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Just give me a heads up when you want to come by. I have all the Marty variants except for the "mini". If going with duals, a sealed 18" could be an option if a smaller cabinet is important. I have 4 different 18" drivers here as well that you could try.

Unless you're willing to do 4 x infinity 1260's, maybe scratch that off the list. You need x2.5 of those to compete with an ht-18 under 50hz.

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Hey @Bassment ,

Lz7j has mentioned you're the man to talk to about sub enclosures here in Toronto. Though I unfortunately won't be able to make the GTG tonight, is there somewhere I could touch base with you? Cheers!

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Full Marty using the Home Depot handy panels would be very easy fabrication option worth considering as well
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So out of curiosity, if I did 4 of these infinity 1260s, what would I be looking at on terms of dB @20hz ? A second sub adds 3db I understand, does this value stack? I.e.The following model shows 98db @ 20, (not sure if this is for two or not) - would I expect to see 107db with 4? (Or 101 db if that graph is for 2)


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If SPL isn't your game, you could consider a quad of the CSS SDX12 subs and put a pair each in a small sealed both. Just another option to consider if space is an issue. They can go in a very small enclosure. They're on sale right now iirc.

The IST18 is certainly a great way to go if space isn't a concern.
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If SPL isn't your game, you could consider a quad of the CSS SDX12 subs and put a pair each in a small sealed both. Just another option to consider if space is an issue. They can go in a very small enclosure. They're on sale right now iirc.

The IST18 is certainly a great way to go if space isn't a concern.
I'll second this, I just advised a buddy in town today to look into either of these. A quad SDX12 setup would be really nice for space for sure.
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You live in Canada with an abundance of wood around us, dollar being at a low I recommend going DIY like others have mentioned.

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Thanks for the input! These would put me over budget unfortunately (1243 after tax + amp + enclosures).. The two 18s are only about 800 after tax, and I can get the infinities for 100 a driver. I'd still like to keep this around 1500 if I can.<br />
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Yup, I think diy is definitely the way to go here. That being said, I live in Toronto, not in the forest; I'm pretty sure the bylaw officers wouldn't take kindly to me chopping down a tree to build myself a subwoofer <img src="/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smilie" smilieid="1" class="inlineimg" />

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Thanks for the input! These would put me over budget unfortunately (1243 after tax + amp + enclosures).. The two 18s are only about 800 after tax, and I can get the infinities for 400 a driver. I'd still like to keep this around 1500 if I can.



Yup, I think diy is definitely the way to go here. That being said, I live in Toronto, not in the forest; I'm pretty sure the bylaw officers wouldn't take kindly to me chopping down a tree to build myself a subwoofer
If you go with the Ist drivers there is no tax... Price is all inclusive.
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Really? Ya that's solid. I spoke with lz7j today, and he has asked me to see if the IST guy can wire them for a series / or make them 2ohm, ( I've got exactly what I need to ask him written down at home) - so will shoot him an email tomorrow.

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T.O is big so maybe you can find someone selling a used driver on C.L

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There is also a guy selling Aura NS15's for $550 each.
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There is also a guy selling Aura NS15's for $550 each.
That link is for the FTW-21's for $1300, but has been there forever. I did message him but he didn't get back, and I have heard others tried as well with no response. I think it's just an abandoned posting at this point. In any case though that would save me some trouble, it would still clock in around $1700 + after I bought an Inuke 3000dsp; I don't know how large those things are either, no dimensions. At least if I go with the IST-18's I'll have some leeway over the dimensions (while sticking closely to the cubic feet of the Marty's).

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That link is for the FTW-21's for $1300, but has been there forever. I did message him but he didn't get back, and I have heard others tried as well with no response. I think it's just an abandoned posting at this point. In any case though that would save me some trouble, it would still clock in around $1700 + after I bought an Inuke 3000dsp; I don't know how large those things are either, no dimensions. At least if I go with the IST-18's I'll have some leeway over the dimensions (while sticking closely to the cubic feet of the Marty's).

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The ftw are in boxes that are 6cuft.. 25" cube. Nelson keeps reposting the ad, because he's not willing to move on the price much. I know a guy who bought another pair off of him. He's difficult to get in contact with but seems ok once you do. He's had them for sale for over a year.
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Hey fellow Torontian (kinda) checking in. Is there a place that lists GTGs ? I have never been to one but would love a chance to meet up with like minded nuts.

BTW If you buy from Erich (diysound) I would highly suggest just having it shipped to something like UBS, and drive to the border to pick it up. I plan to grab more DIYSG stuff this summer after having great success with my LCRs.
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The ftw are in boxes that are 6cuft.. 25" cube. Nelson keeps reposting the ad, because he's not willing to move on the price much. I know a guy who bought another pair off of him. He's difficult to get in contact with but seems ok once you do. He's had them for sale for over a year.
Yes he actually emailed me this morning. I've seen them posted FOREVER. I don't blame him for not moving on the price as it looks like the FTW-21 is 650 per driver as is. That being said that would put me over budget even if I only bought an nu3000dsp, and still I don't know if the ftw-21 are dual voice coil (which from what I understand I would need to run them in a series). It's also way way more sub than I need - but I suppose if he was willing to do 550 each I'd go for it anyways.
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Hey fellow Torontian (kinda) checking in. Is there a place that lists GTGs ? I have never been to one but would love a chance to meet up with like minded nuts.

BTW If you buy from Erich (diysound) I would highly suggest just having it shipped to something like UBS, and drive to the border to pick it up. I plan to grab more DIYSG stuff this summer after having great success with my LCRs.
Hey man! How 'bout those Leafs?

Well I don't see many listed around here. lz7j tells me he does one once in a while for some of the guys he knows on AVS, and will on occasion make it public. Beyond that I'm not sure.

As far as having flatpacks shipped goes, with the shipping and exchange I understand I can get a cab built by someone who knows what he's doing for almost the same amount of money. I don't drive, otherwise picking up from the border would be an option. I'm fine with getting the cab's built myself in this instance though
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