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I am just having a hard time justifying to spend $100 more per speaker from the berries for maybe a little improvement as I have the 100% dedicated theater. Now I can see spending a little more for the SEOS 18 and BA 750 but no kit. I need a passive speaker as I have everything wired in the baffle wall.

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@EricH do you have an idea for the price on these? When do you think these will be ready for sale on the website.
His username is @Erich H , not @EricH .
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Would the 12" version be a significant upgrade over the Fusion-8? There's some EV sxa-250's on Craigslist for $350 each right now I was looking at but they're pretty hard on the eyes.
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They'll be in stock in a couple days. I had to order a custom shipping box due to the baffle size and those are suppose to be here by midweek. The price should be very good for the parts used in the kit. The neodymium woofers from Eminence are extremely good and I'd consider them to be hidden gems that a lot of people overlook due to their cheaper price. They've beaten out quite a few much more expensive woofers on sound quality, including B&C and FaitalPro.


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I am just having a hard time justifying to spend $100 more per speaker from the berries for maybe a little improvement as I have the 100% dedicated theater.
You've spent 10's of thousands of dollars in your theater over the years. Not sure why it would be hard to justify $100 per speaker.

There isn't much reason to compare prices to Behringer plastic speakers because the HTM line was designed for a specific purpose that Behringers can't be used for. That purpose may not matter with your set up though. If we were just trying to beat those on price and sound quality it isn't that hard, but the first Karma Line that did it wasn't ordered very often because people thought they were 'too cheap'.
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It is hard to want a 12 inch when I am used to 15, dual 15, and line arrays. I do like the bigger horn and with my new sub builds I will need an 80hz crossover which I am not confident in using with the Berries. The Berries can sound bright off axis and they have no bottom end but my room fixes that for now. I do think the deltalite line sounds amazingly clear as I owned dual horn loaded deltalite 10s in each main at one time. I want to try the BA-750 and SEOS 18 so bad like Bassment but that crossover thingy!
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There are lots of 12" woofers that would beat the 15" woofer used in the Behringer, so I wouldn't be too worried about that.

Some day there might be a BA-750 speaker made up, but using the fiberglass SEOS-18 gets the price up there pretty fast. And it would be paired with a fairly high priced woofer which would get the kit up around the $550 - $600 mark. Not sure how many people would be willing to go that route for a 2 way and DIY.

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These have me completely rethinking my LCRs...and even my surrounds.
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This has me rethinking my plans as well. I was set on 1099s in a baffle wall. But this would greatly simplify my plans for the components going behind the screen, including the wall itself. Hope someone would build this soon and share their thoughts.

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Some day there might be a BA-750 speaker made up, but using the fiberglass SEOS-18 gets the price up there pretty fast. And it would be paired with a fairly high priced woofer which would get the kit up around the $550 - $600 mark. Not sure how many people would be willing to go that route for a 2 way and DIY.
Would the deltalite not work with the SEOS18 and BA-750?
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There are lots of 12" woofers that would beat the 15" woofer used in the Behringer, so I wouldn't be too worried about that.

Some day there might be a BA-750 speaker made up, but using the fiberglass SEOS-18 gets the price up there pretty fast. And it would be paired with a fairly high priced woofer which would get the kit up around the $550 - $600 mark. Not sure how many people would be willing to go that route for a 2 way and DIY.
This guy right here! As long as there is a flat pack I would buy it. They call me Frankie flat packs. Lol
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This guy right here! As long as there is a flat pack I would buy it. They call me Frankie flat packs. Lol
I'm with you on that, would totally be on board haha
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Now I'm torn. Was planning on pulling the trigger on a set of F12 Tempests, then DIYSG throws a curve ball.

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I understand all that, I owned some awesome 12s as well, the Kappalite 3012 HO was a great driver. I had that paired with a DE-250 and H290C horn and I prefer the Berries. Like I said, I just might try a 4722 clone using the BA-750/SEOS 18 and dual 15s. If it does not beat the Berries in my room(I am sure it is a better speaker) than it all comes down to the crossover.

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Ummmm, is it wrong that I screamed out "Oh HTM-12" during sex?
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Ummmm, is it wrong that I screamed out "Oh HTM-12" during sex?
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Looking forward to three HTM-12's for LCR duty and eight sealed Volt-10lx's for surrounds and Atmos🖒🖒🖒.

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Just placed my order for the HTM-10's so excited! New build thread coming soon for them...
Will be looking forward to this one. Please post a link on this thread once you have the build up. Thanks.
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@Erich H - when are the flatpacks going to be available?
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Flat packs are up.

The new wood makes them extremely light weight which means they could even be hung on the wall.

Comparing the Fusion-12 to the HTM-12:

Fusion-12 flat pack is roughly 2.25cuft and weighs 42lbs. Whole speaker weighs around 68lbs or so.

HTM-12 flat pack is 1.8cuft and weighs.......22lbs. Whole speaker weighs about 35lbs or so.

I haven't weighed the whole HTM-10 yet, but the flat pack is 16lbs.

Those Deltalite woofers really help cut down on the weight a lot.

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Are any measurements available? Hopefully to include polars.

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I posted a few measurements in the official thread:
http://www.hificircuit.com/community...er-thread.609/
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how's the HTM-12 compare to Fusion-12 and Fusion-15 ? same for DNA-325 vs DNA-360 ?

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The HTM-12 is voiced somewhat similar to the Fusion-15 but I think I may like the sound of the DNA-325 over the DNA-360 and in some ways the HTM-12 over the Fusion-15. I find the frequency response is easier to work with and get nice and flat, the 360 has a slight bump just above 4k that would need a separate notch filter if it was to be flattened. So I find the 325 to sound a little less rough or you could say slightly more detailed then the 360, but it's not a huge easily discernible difference as they do sound more similar then different.

The Fusion-15 has higher sensitivity and the crossover has a bit more BSC built in so you get a little more mid bass kick while the HTM-12 is slightly more neutral and I think more refined sounding. I designed and tested it so that it will also work installed in a baffle wall so there is not too much BSC so that it sounds bloated or bass heavy when used like that but enough that it is not dry sounding when placed normally in a room.

The HTM-10 sounds nearly the same as the HTM-12 and the crossover topology is identical between to two. I'd wager you would have a very hard time telling them apart if level matched. The HTM-10 just gives up a little sensitivity and output for the smaller size.
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The HTM-12 is voiced somewhat similar to the Fusion-15 but I think I may like the sound of the DNA-325 over the DNA-360 and in some ways the HTM-12 over the Fusion-15. I find the frequency response is easier to work with and get nice and flat, the 360 has a slight bump just above 4k that would need a separate notch filter if it was to be flattened. So I find the 325 to sound a little less rough or you could say slightly more detailed then the 360, but it's not a huge easily discernible difference as they do sound more similar then different.

The Fusion-15 has higher sensitivity and the crossover has a bit more BSC built in so you get a little more mid bass kick while the HTM-12 is slightly more neutral and I think more refined sounding. I designed and tested it so that it will also work installed in a baffle wall so there is not too much BSC so that it sounds bloated or bass heavy when used like that but enough that it is not dry sounding when placed normally in a room.

The HTM-10 sounds nearly the same as the HTM-12 and the crossover topology is identical between to two. I'd wager you would have a very hard time telling them apart if level matched. The HTM-10 just gives up a little sensitivity and output for the smaller size.
i was considering building the fusion 15 but after that statement i am not so sure anymore . it sounds like you like the htm12 better ??
more refined sure sounds attractive .
if you could give some more impressions comparing the fusion 15 and htm12 that would be greatly appreciated .
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How will the HTM-12 do as surrounds?
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