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How will the HTM-12 do as surrounds?
From the sound of Matt's description above, they seem well suited for most any duty in a HT application. Not sure if he's received his yet but as I understand it @eng-399 will be using them (HTM-10's) as surrounds in his HT and may be another person to ask.

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That's right they will be used as surrounds. The kit should be shipped out Thursday according to Erich. I'm sure these HTM-10's speakers will keep up with most systems on the forum since they are being used surrounds. Once I get them done I'll put them up for fun for a few minutes and see if they can keep up with my subs and let everyone know how they did.
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Any update on when the HTM-8 and HTM-6 will be available?
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HTM-6 and 8 are probably a little while out, don't even have prototypes for those yet.

As for the Fusion-15 vs. HTM-12, I can't really say much more. Fusion-15 has slight sensitivity and bass impact/extension advantage. HTM-12 has slightly cleaner more detailed midrange and high frequencies and also work better then the Fusion-15 if installed in a baffle wall. Actually bass performance of the HTM-12 in a baffle wall is better then that of the Fusion-15 when free standing.

And yes the HTM-12 would work fine as surrounds but they are probably overkill for that purpose unless you like to listen well over reference or have a huge room and are powering them from the AVR. They should be able to do reference levels at 25-30' with their rated power input.
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HTM-6 and 8 are probably a little while out, don't even have prototypes for those yet.

As for the Fusion-15 vs. HTM-12, I can't really say much more. Fusion-15 has slight sensitivity and bass impact/extension advantage. HTM-12 has slightly cleaner more detailed midrange and high frequencies and also work better then the Fusion-15 if installed in a baffle wall. Actually bass performance of the HTM-12 in a baffle wall is better then that of the Fusion-15 when free standing.

And yes the HTM-12 would work fine as surrounds but they are probably overkill for that purpose unless you like to listen well over reference or have a huge room and are powering them from the AVR. They should be able to do reference levels at 25-30' with their rated power input.
Sounds good Matt! Can you explain something to me or anyone. When someone says the speaker will do well over 120db what does that mean? I kno that's fairly loud but at what distance? And what is reference levels?
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120db isn't just 'fairly loud', it's ear plug wearing loud.

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The THX spec for reference level is for the speakers to be capable of 105dB at the listening position which is the number I am using when I say reference. So the HTM-12 should be capable of 105dB at a distance of 25-30' in a room with an amplifier which can deliver of 400-500w into 8 ohms. With AVR power (100-150w) it should be capable of reference level from a distance of about 15-18'. At listening distances shorter then those achievable output will be greater then reference levels.

Reference level is usually when the master volume is 0dB on the AVR but there is some debate on if all AVR's actually calibrate to that number and what the actual intended reference playback volume is which the above thread digs into.
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That post should be stickied or at least added to the reference thread. A very good, simple to understand, break down for reference level(THX).
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There are lots of 12" woofers that would beat the 15" woofer used in the Behringer, so I wouldn't be too worried about that.

Some day there might be a BA-750 speaker made up, but using the fiberglass SEOS-18 gets the price up there pretty fast. And it would be paired with a fairly high priced woofer which would get the kit up around the $550 - $600 mark. Not sure how many people would be willing to go that route for a 2 way and DIY.


can you make it work with the SEOS 15 I still have 3 of those in my closet
and 4 TD15Ms - I should do something with those....
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That post should be stickied or at least added to the reference thread. A very good, simple to understand, break down for reference level(THX).
I second this. I would like to understand that who break down. And understand how dynamic range of speakers and amps how they affect and recording. IMAX says they have 10x the dynamic rage of standard.

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How different is the DNA360 vs the 325?

Already have a pair of DNA360's and the deltalites and thinking to build the HTM12's.

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So I just noticed these new speakers and am curious which yall think best (if thats possible) for movies.

Fusion 12/15
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So I just noticed these new speakers and am curious which yall think best (if thats possible) for movies.

Fusion 12/15
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I would buy the HTM-12's. As soon as I get my HTM-10's I'll let you how those are for left and right before I install them for my surrounds. I'm a fan the of Fusion 15's but I think these will be a great sounding speakers up front.
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I would buy the HTM-12's. As soon as I get my HTM-10's I'll let you how those are for left and right before I install them for my surrounds. I'm a fan the of Fusion 15's but I think these will be a great sounding speakers up front.
How long before they're in your possession?

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I'm waiting for the tracking numbers any day now. Hopefully this week they will be at my house.
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Sweet, I'm looking forward to your review. Hopefully mine will ship this week too

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Sweet, I'm looking forward to your review. Hopefully mine will ship this week too

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Ah ha. Your what? Spill the beans. You order HTMs as well?
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I'm so confused..... For LCR duty, mostly TV/movies but definitely music as well. Initially I was thinking L = F15, C = C88, R = F15.... but now our choices are:

HTM 10 or 12
Fusion 12 or 15
Cinema 88

Ignoring the cost for now, why would/should we choose one over the other?
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[QUOTE=LondonBenji;47489881

Ignoring the cost for now, why would/should we choose one over the other?[/QUOTE]

I would take the HTM 12 over the Fusion 12 for the larger horn. If you can go wider, go for the bigger horn.

The Fusion 15 and HTM 12 have the same horn but the F15 has more efficiency and a lower crossover to the horn. The 88 Special would be a decent match to all of them as it uses the 15" horn also.

The reports about the new HTM series should clear things up...time starts to move slowly.
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I would take the HTM 12 over the Fusion 12 for the larger horn. If you can go wider, go for the bigger horn.

The Fusion 15 and HTM 12 have the same horn but the F15 has more efficiency and a lower crossover to the horn. The 88 Special would be a decent match to all of them as it uses the 15" horn also.

The reports about the new HTM series should clear things up...time starts to move slowly.
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Ah ha. Your what? Spill the beans. You order HTMs as well?


Whaaaa? I have no idea what you mean sir. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else

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How different is the DNA360 vs the 325?

Already have a pair of DNA360's and the deltalites and thinking to build the HTM12's.
Anyone have an idea on this?

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Those two compression driver models aren't close enough to exchange with each other. They have different frequency responses, impedance, and diaphragm material.
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Those two compression driver models aren't close enough to exchange with each other. They have different frequency responses, impedance, and diaphragm material.
Got it thanks.

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When mtg90 mentions "Baffle Wall" ....does that mean speakers close or against or in wall ?
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If using the HTM-12's in a LCR configuration, how much toe in is needed? Room is about 16 feet wide.

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Are there any pics of the interior of the flat packs? Curious what the bracing looks like.

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Are there any pics of the interior of the flat packs? Curious what the bracing looks like.


Check out the flat pack from diysg they show the bracing of the HTM-10 and 12. I've been slacking on my build for the HTM-10's the bracing is done I'll post more tomorrow since at at a Halloween party right now with a full keg tapped now.
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