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I only know @Erich H via the board and through email, so I was surprised to have received a Valentine's day gift from him. It was a day late, but it's the thought that counts. Once I opened the first box, I thought that I'd just pull everything out and take some pics. An hour later (due to Erich's ridiculously thorough packaging), I was able to snap some pics of the contents.

I decided to go with the flatpack as my wife's appetite for me cutting more MDF on our driveway is waning. When I told her that I was selling my 1099s she said, "But you just finished those. They sound great. Why would you sell them?" I told her an intervention may indeed be in order.

I measured before deciding to go with the flatpacks, and by my measurements, I had about 5/8" of extra space to fit these on my front stage in between my two screen pillars. Widening the stance of my pillars would've been a last resort or having the cabs somewhat overlap the pillars was another alternative.

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Subscribed . I'll be following this i want to hear how these Sound compared to the qsc's

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Those packages look like they took a beating for the short shipping distance.

Your flat packs were the first to go out so I packaged each one differently just to see if they would all arrive okay. If you saw one of them that worked out better, let me know.

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Those packages look like they took a beating for the short shipping distance.

Your flat packs were the first to go out so I packaged each one differently just to see if they would all arrive okay. If you saw one of them that worked out better, let me know.
Yeah. Not sure why they just toss these things anywhere. I have a covered porch that's dry and somewhat warm, but they just tossed them in the driveway on the snow. I've only opened one kit and flatpack, but I'll let you know how the other ones are. The two I opened first had the most dented boxes and the contents were just fine. All that styrofoam.

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Hey Vic What's your plan with painting them.
I don't know. I was going to ask you the same. I've been looking at doing a vinyl wrap. I also looked at hydrographic dipping them, but the place by me that does that charges a pretty penny. I might just go with the same paint that you recommended and that I used for my MBMs: the Behr Marquee paint. You?
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Yeah. Not sure why they just toss these things anywhere. I have a covered porch that's dry and somewhat warm, but they just tossed them in the driveway on the snow. I've only opened one kit and flatpack, but I'll let you know how the other ones are. The two I opened first had the most dented boxes and the contents were just fine. All that styrofoam.







I don't know. I was going to ask you the same. I've been looking at doing a vinyl wrap. I also looked at hydrographic dipping them, but the place by me that does that charges a pretty penny. I might just go with the same paint that you recommended and that I used for my MBMs: the Behr Marquee paint. You?

I was going to do the same Behringer Marquee in black. I'm going to make mine Seamless and have the top mid and cd wired into a speakon on top of the box but I still might change my mind. The vinyl wrap would look incredible on the box I say do it.
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Test run/dry fit. These boxes are nice. I'm liking the baltic birch.






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Subscribed. I know mine will be shipping soon, so you definitely have my attention. Now I wish I would have ordered the crossovers assembled. But I'll be doing that myself. I just plan on slapping flat black on these as there going behind the screen.
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Test run/dry fit. These boxes are nice. I'm liking the baltic birch.






in your opinion do those boxes look like they can just be stained a dark color?
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I was going to do the same Behringer Marquee in black. I'm going to make mine Seamless and have the top mid and cd wired into a speakon on top of the box but I still might change my mind. The vinyl wrap would look incredible on the box I say do it.
Yeah, I'm thinking of repainting my theater walls in that Marquee black. It's great with fingerprints. The paint that I used on my walls was Behr Premium Plus Night Club, but it shows fingerprints and other scuff marks too easily.
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in your opinion do those boxes look like they can just be stained a dark color?
You can stain it. Just use a conditioner first. Might be more reflective though. Maybe use a flat poly finish?

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You can stain it. Just use a conditioner first. Might be more reflective though. Maybe use a flat poly finish?

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Yeah, I thought that would be an interesting way to finish these because there such nice wood.
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I was researching staining Baltic birch and like Brian said you need a conditioner or stain controller that needs to be applied first. There's a YouTube video of a woodworker using a first/wash coat of dewaxed shellac wood sealer. I've also seen people mix dye with Oxford USL as a toner for even color. Also you can keep it simple and do a clear coat of lacquer or poly.

I was thinking of doing a black dye and a clear coat as well.
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Yeah, I thought that would be an interesting way to finish these because there such nice wood.
Way to steal my idea... LOL. My boxes are done. I'm just waiting for my shipment to arrive so I can mount the baffle. I picked up some 3mm birch to cover the mdf box, but need the baffle first.
I have an old friend here in town that does hydrographics, I thought about contacting him or also taking them to work and painting them a nice pearl blue or black..


EDIT-- So I talked with the hydrographics guy.. 100bux a waveguide.. Thinkin this might be the way I go. Started out at 175 per but he was pretty cool about the idea.
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Those flat packs look excellent. I'm actually hoping my order doesn't ship till April or so, as I've so much work to do on the rest of my theater!
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Would the Home Depot Arauco / Sanded Plywood need a similar treatment? That's what I plan on using and I was seriously thinking about a light stain.

Also, @VicTorious1 - Really looking forward to this build man! These speaks just seem like they're going to be great from every angle.

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I was researching staining Baltic birch and like Brian said you need a conditioner or stain controller that needs to be applied first. There's a YouTube video of a woodworker using a first/wash coat of dewaxed shellac wood sealer. I've also seen people mix dye with Oxford USL as a toner for even color. Also you can keep it simple and do a clear coat of lacquer or poly.

I was thinking of doing a black dye and a clear coat as well.
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Would the Home Depot Arauco / Sanded Plywood need a similar treatment? That's what I plan on using and I was seriously thinking about a light stain.

Also, @VicTorious1 - Really looking forward to this build man! These speaks just seem like they're going to be great from every angle.
Birch in particular, and a couple other species will blotch badly without a pre-stain conditioner being applied first. But no worries, this is not a complicated process. For the countertops I just finished, I used General Finishes pre-stain conditioner, 1 coat. Worked great and very easy to apply. De-waxed shellac and lots of other products will do the same.
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Started glueing and clamping the boxes together tonight. I'll hopefully have them glued up by tomorrow. I'm not sure whether I'm going to have the crossover inside the cab or outside. Additionally, I'm not going to glue or affix the bracket (that holds the MF and HF section) to the cab as I'll want to be able to toe in the top portion if need be.

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Vic the part where the waveguide can be attached or screwed down to the box is where I'm having a hard time with. I can toe my left and right boxes in so having it screwed down would work on my end. Were you thinking about having your boxes straight forward and just toeing your waveguide in due to space.
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Vic the part where the waveguide can be attached or screwed down to the box is where I'm having a hard time with. I can toe my left and right boxes in so having it screwed down would work on my end. Were you thinking about having your boxes straight forward and just toeing your waveguide in due to space.
Yes. I can't toe in the cab due to space. I would've needed to shave about 1.5" off the width of each cab to have enough space. Both Erich and Matt said it's fine to just toe in the top section, which is perfectly convenient for me. I saw the lazy susan that someone posted in your build thread. That might not be a bad idea for me. Not sure how often I'd be moving them that I would need a swivel though.
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Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe this might help both of us but in all my kitchen cabinets my wife has all these rubber mats in there under the dishes and glasses she bought from bed bath beyond I'm thinking on maybe trying that out underneath the waveguide so it doesn't move. The only problem I can think of is the bass shaking and vibrating it around. Lol heavy bass Home Theater room problems.
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That's how the qsc's are actually built to be able just to toe in the hf section

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I'm sure you guys could do the same with your setup with a washer and screw

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That's pretty cool that the QSCs can be adjusted asking both the X and Y axis.
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Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe this might help both of us but in all my kitchen cabinets my wife has all these rubber mats in there under the dishes and glasses she bought from bed bath beyond I'm thinking on maybe trying that out underneath the waveguide so it doesn't move. The only problem I can think of is the bass shaking and vibrating it around. Lol heavy bass Home Theater room problems.
I heard the duck grip (or whatever they're called) drawer liners can adhere to Duratex. I'm not sure if they kind of melt due to the weight of subs or if there is some sort of chemical reaction between the liners and Duratex. I bought an undersink mat to use in between my attached subs, but never used it. I might place them on top of those.
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You could try a Rockler Silicone Project Mat (http://www.rockler.com/rockler-silicone-project-mat), it would be less likely to react with the painted surface than a rubber mat.

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or screw rubber feet to the box surface

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