Banana Plugs - Redux - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 7Likes
  • 1 Post By N8DOGG
  • 1 Post By dtsdig
  • 4 Post By rhodesj
  • 1 Post By Acrjoey
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 28 Old 03-13-2017, 09:25 AM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
9179mhb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 580
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 134 Post(s)
Liked: 97
Banana Plugs - Redux

Hello please forgive me if this is the wrong forum to post my question, but I wasn't sure where else to ask. I have a 7.1 HT system purchased during 2009 that has met my needs well. Recently I decided to upgrade the tower & center channel speakers, which required rewiring those connections. Currently I have made bare-wire connections to the binding posts at both speaker & receiver ends, but I'd like to terminate all the wire ends using banana plugs instead.

I'm looking for value priced banana plugs compatible with 12 gauge speaker wire and searching the Internet indicates (to me at least) that connectors made by Mediabridge or Sewell may bet fit my requirements.

I'm also interested in receiving your input regarding the specific type of BP to use: strike, deadbolt, silverback, ocelot or maybe something else?

Please share your opinions if possible, thanks.
9179mhb is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 28 Old 03-13-2017, 09:53 AM
 
N8DOGG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 7,158
Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1010 Post(s)
Liked: 1080
http://m.ebay.com/itm/162096760910

Those are the best ones you will get for the price. They have dual set screws and are great quality.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0072...s=banana+plugs

These are the exact same plugs with different writing on the caps.

IMO these types are the best for how secure the wire is with the double screws.
N8DOGG is offline  
post #3 of 28 Old 03-13-2017, 10:27 AM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
9179mhb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 580
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 134 Post(s)
Liked: 97
Quote:
Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post
http://m.ebay.com/itm/162096760910

Those are the best ones you will get for the price. They have dual set screws and are great quality.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0072...s=banana+plugs

These are the exact same plugs with different writing on the caps.

IMO these types are the best for how secure the wire is with the double screws.
Thanks for your response. If I choose a "screw type" banana plug connector what do you think of these?

5 PAIRS Of High-Quality Gold Plated Speaker Banana Plugs, Closed Screw Type
9179mhb is online now  
 
post #4 of 28 Old 03-13-2017, 11:06 AM
 
N8DOGG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 7,158
Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1010 Post(s)
Liked: 1080
Quote:
Originally Posted by 9179mhb View Post
Thanks for your response. If I choose a "screw type" banana plug connector what do you think of these?

5 PAIRS Of High-Quality Gold Plated Speaker Banana Plugs, Closed Screw Type
Those are complete garbage lol. I think we all have had them at one point or another. Do you sell a favor and get something that's decent. You can buy each of those ones I liked in any quantity you want.
Raylon likes this.
N8DOGG is offline  
post #5 of 28 Old 03-13-2017, 11:15 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 250
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 154 Post(s)
Liked: 152
Quote:
Originally Posted by 9179mhb View Post
Thanks for your response. If I choose a "screw type" banana plug connector what do you think of these?

5 PAIRS Of High-Quality Gold Plated Speaker Banana Plugs, Closed Screw Type
Those work fine, at least for me.
albatros43 is offline  
post #6 of 28 Old 03-13-2017, 11:43 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
dtsdig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Rochester NY
Posts: 2,433
Mentioned: 31 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 863 Post(s)
Liked: 945
Quote:
Originally Posted by 9179mhb View Post
Thanks for your response. If I choose a "screw type" banana plug connector what do you think of these?

5 PAIRS Of High-Quality Gold Plated Speaker Banana Plugs, Closed Screw Type
My experience with the screw on types has been that half the strands of wire get severed during that screw on process. I like the ones with set screws much better.
audiovideoholic likes this.
dtsdig is online now  
post #7 of 28 Old 03-13-2017, 12:11 PM
Advanced Member
 
bigguyca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 622
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 335 Post(s)
Liked: 230
Quote:
Originally Posted by 9179mhb View Post
Thanks for your response. If I choose a "screw type" banana plug connector what do you think of these?

5 PAIRS Of High-Quality Gold Plated Speaker Banana Plugs, Closed Screw Type

Locking banana plugs with set screws are a good choice. It's too easy to pull out regular banana plugs by mistake. The set screws help to avoid broken strands as noted above:

These look good from an Amazon listing, but I haven't tried them:

https://www.amazon.com/GLS-Audio-Loc...g+banana+plugs

I have used dozens of the locking units shown on this webpage from Blue Jeans Cable, that look similar to the above, with good success:

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm

These look really nice, they have the advantage of set screws and are locking plus they are insulated (this would be a nice feature to protect equipment) and allow piggyback connections (good if you like to experiment with various speaker connection options). They are recommended by another poster here. Sooner or later I'm going to try them since they are best I've seen advertised. They do cost more:

https://www.parts-express.com/angled...insu--091-3608
bigguyca is offline  
post #8 of 28 Old 03-13-2017, 12:14 PM
Advanced Member
 
Vince_B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hummelstown PA USA
Posts: 809
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 44 Post(s)
Liked: 33
Just got some of these, they are great. Fairly compact and the wire retention is excellent, and super easy to assemble. Found them on a thread where a bunch of installers swore by them.

Deadbolt Banana Plugs, 12-pair, By Sewell Direct https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006U3O566..._.8UXybRJAJ8HE

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk
Vince_B is online now  
post #9 of 28 Old 03-13-2017, 12:14 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
dtsdig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Rochester NY
Posts: 2,433
Mentioned: 31 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 863 Post(s)
Liked: 945
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigguyca View Post
Locking banana plugs with set screws are a good choice. It's too easy to pull out regular banana plugs by mistake. The set screws help to avoid broken strands as noted above:

These look good from an Amazon listing, but I haven't tried them:
Agreed, I have looked at those GLS ones before. I'll likely try them next time I need some.
dtsdig is online now  
post #10 of 28 Old 03-13-2017, 12:19 PM
Senior Member
 
Russ69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 344
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 259 Post(s)
Liked: 104
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigguyca View Post
Insulated are better even if it's a cheap plug. Some gear has the plugs very close together and a conducting plug can short.

___________________________
___________________________

Dedicated Two Channel Subjective Listener Since 1972
Everyone agrees that DBTing proves that the subjective listener always picks the right amp!
Russ69 is online now  
post #11 of 28 Old 03-13-2017, 02:40 PM
Senior Member
 
thucker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 215
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Liked: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vince_B View Post
Just got some of these, they are great. Fairly compact and the wire retention is excellent, and super easy to assemble. Found them on a thread where a bunch of installers swore by them.

Deadbolt Banana Plugs, 12-pair, By Sewell Direct https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006U3O566..._.8UXybRJAJ8HE

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk
Those look identical to the Monster banana plugs I have and they've worked great.

The Monoprice open screw ones are garbage. Avoid those at all cost. I've had the screws come loose with 12 gauge wires, so I soldered the wires on. Recently, I had one come apart and I had a heck of time troubleshooting before I realized one of my banana plug separated.
thucker is offline  
post #12 of 28 Old 03-13-2017, 03:03 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
rhodesj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,868
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 873 Post(s)
Liked: 483
I've been very happy with the Sewel Deadbolts as well.
rhodesj is online now  
post #13 of 28 Old 03-13-2017, 04:05 PM
 
N8DOGG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 7,158
Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1010 Post(s)
Liked: 1080
Quote:
Originally Posted by thucker View Post
Those look identical to the Monster banana plugs I have and they've worked great.

The Monoprice open screw ones are garbage. Avoid those at all cost. I've had the screws come loose with 12 gauge wires, so I soldered the wires on. Recently, I had one come apart and I had a heck of time troubleshooting before I realized one of my banana plug separated.
They are all the same. There are at least 8 different company's selling the exact see plug with different writing on it on eBay alone. So find the cheapest ones you can that aren't the crappy monoprice ones and go to town.
N8DOGG is offline  
post #14 of 28 Old 03-13-2017, 05:46 PM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
9179mhb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 580
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 134 Post(s)
Liked: 97
Hey guy's, thank you for your responses. I'm glad I dodged the Monoprice bullet, thanks for that heads-up.

So what are your opinions regarding the Sewell Line of Banana Plugs?

I suppose if I purchase one of their products I'd prefer either the: Pro Maestro, Silverback or Deadbolt type.

Being a banana plug novice what do you think would be the easiest plug to use to terminate the speaker wires with?
9179mhb is online now  
post #15 of 28 Old 03-13-2017, 10:00 PM
Senior Member
 
bscool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 326
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 195 Post(s)
Liked: 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by 9179mhb View Post
Hey guy's, thank you for your responses. I'm glad I dodged the Monoprice bullet, thanks for that heads-up.

So what are your opinions regarding the Sewell Line of Banana Plugs?

I suppose if I purchase one of their products I'd prefer either the: Pro Maestro, Silverback or Deadbolt type.

Being a banana plug novice what do you think would be the easiest plug to use to terminate the speaker wires with?
I went with the Deadbolt ones and the thing I didn't like is if you plug and unplug them a few times they get to the point of being loose fitting where the Deadbolt plug will almost fall out if there is a little pressure pulling on the speaker wire.

I haven't tried the other ones they sell but I thought of trying the locking ones next time or even the spades that you tighten your banana plug down on. The Deadbolts are nice as far as quick easy to connect and disconnect but like I said over time of hooking and unhooking them mine lost their spring in the fine little metal pieces that give them their "grip". Most people probably do not unhook their speakers as much as I do when I mess with stuff. If you hook them up and won't mess with them they will be fine and hard to beat the price from Amazon.

HTPC, Sony 40es, Marantz 7702mkii, Sunfire Cinema Grand 225w x 5, JBL 590, JBL 520, Subwoofer Smorgasbord (BIC PL200, JL 13w7, PSA XS30, Submersive, Um-18, Outlaw Ultra x 12, Kappa Pro 18LF, BFM Tuba 60 horn, B&C 18TBW100), iNuke 3000 & 6000 DSP's, Crowson Motion Actuator, Stressless Recliner with swingable PC table for using full keyboard and mouse
bscool is online now  
post #16 of 28 Old 03-13-2017, 10:01 PM
Advanced Member
 
Vince_B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hummelstown PA USA
Posts: 809
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 44 Post(s)
Liked: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post
They are all the same. There are at least 8 different company's selling the exact see plug with different writing on it on eBay alone. So find the cheapest ones you can that aren't the crappy monoprice ones and go to town.
The deadbolt is the one that is recommended. The monoprice and the older parts express ones have the very annoying flaw that the banana itself can come loose even when the wire is tight. Not sure if this makes sense but imagine the banana part has a silly thread into the main body that just comes loose. I just looked at a sewell and the banana is cast as one piece with the body.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 9179mhb View Post
Hey guy's, thank you for your responses. I'm glad I dodged the Monoprice bullet, thanks for that heads-up.

So what are your opinions regarding the Sewell Line of Banana Plugs?

I suppose if I purchase one of their products I'd prefer either the: Pro Maestro, Silverback or Deadbolt type.

Being a banana plug novice what do you think would be the easiest plug to use to terminate the speaker wires with?

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk
Vince_B is online now  
post #17 of 28 Old 03-14-2017, 10:53 AM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
9179mhb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 580
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 134 Post(s)
Liked: 97
Hey guy's thanks again for your input. I decided to give the Sewell Silverback Banana Plugs a try and placed an order for a 12 pair(s) set today.

I'll let you know how I make out with them once they're installed.

I'm using the banana plugs to connect/terminate the speaker wire to a mix of aging and brand new 7.1 HT surround sound system components:

(2009 gear)
Pioneer SC-07
(2) Aperion Audio Intimus 5B Bookshelf & (2) Aperion Audio Intimus 5 D/B Dipole/Bipole speakers
(2011 gear)
SVS SB-13 Ultra subwoofer
(2017 gear)
(2) Aperion Audio Verus II Grand Tower speakers
(1) Aperion Audio Verus II Center Channel speaker

Last edited by 9179mhb; 03-14-2017 at 10:56 AM.
9179mhb is online now  
post #18 of 28 Old 03-14-2017, 07:16 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Fabricator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: far sw sub chicago
Posts: 1,935
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 65 Post(s)
Liked: 31
i have the monoprice ones = junk. wire retention is just fine, great in fact. but the male part of the plug keeps coming loose and does not fit tight.

i removed them all.

chasing rattles ......Pro8100 & Da-Lite HP 2.8 Cult member
Fabricator is offline  
post #19 of 28 Old 03-14-2017, 10:22 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
asarose247's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: DIY enabled in SoCal / OC
Posts: 2,723
Mentioned: 35 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 723 Post(s)
Liked: 483
^
same experience as above,

Sewell's all the way.

there's already too much going on back there to be guessing about the banana plugs
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	GOTWIRES825.jpg
Views:	55
Size:	179.2 KB
ID:	2026833  

DIY FAN Denon X5200 , ATI A 2000 for 7.4.6 SCATMOS/DSU/SHARP 80" LED/LCD
L/R: Fusion 15 V2 , C: 88 Special , SL/SR: F4Q4LP , RL/RR: F-3, TF/TR: Volt 6's TM: SLX
SUBMAXIMUS, ,Submaximus V3,LOWARHORNCustom Dual Driver VBSS,2 x Inuke6000DSP
www.avsforum.com/forum/155-diy-speakers-subs/1485120-submaximus-large-front-loaded-horn
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-di...orn-build.html
asarose247 is online now  
post #20 of 28 Old 03-15-2017, 05:06 AM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
9179mhb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 580
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 134 Post(s)
Liked: 97
Quote:
Originally Posted by asarose247 View Post
^
same experience as above,

Sewell's all the way.

there's already too much going on back there to be guessing about the banana plugs
What type of Sewell Banana Plugs did you purchase?
9179mhb is online now  
post #21 of 28 Old 03-15-2017, 09:22 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
asarose247's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: DIY enabled in SoCal / OC
Posts: 2,723
Mentioned: 35 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 723 Post(s)
Liked: 483
Those would be the Sewell Silverbacks thru Amazon. iirc
it's the idea of being able to move on to whatever is next

The massively subjective effort of trying to optimize audio /HT factors to "work together " with your room gets "easier" when you've eliminated all uncertainty of the mechanical /objective simplicities.

from your opening statement : "I'm looking for value priced banana plugs compatible with 12 gauge speaker wire . ."

given that 14 gauge wire is perfectly fine for runs (another topic of unending debate) of 40 feet, iirc.

Subwoofer runs are always 12 gauge.

looking to save a nickel when we can , while using 12 gauge for the LCR runs . . .

Welcome to the club . . .

how about some pics?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	122216FULLFRONTAL.jpg
Views:	39
Size:	282.1 KB
ID:	2027769  

DIY FAN Denon X5200 , ATI A 2000 for 7.4.6 SCATMOS/DSU/SHARP 80" LED/LCD
L/R: Fusion 15 V2 , C: 88 Special , SL/SR: F4Q4LP , RL/RR: F-3, TF/TR: Volt 6's TM: SLX
SUBMAXIMUS, ,Submaximus V3,LOWARHORNCustom Dual Driver VBSS,2 x Inuke6000DSP
www.avsforum.com/forum/155-diy-speakers-subs/1485120-submaximus-large-front-loaded-horn
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-di...orn-build.html
asarose247 is online now  
post #22 of 28 Old 03-15-2017, 10:07 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked: 8
Get the swelle silverback. They may not be insulated like the swelle deadbolt but in my experience the deadbolts become loose after unplugging a few times
bscool likes this.
Acrjoey is online now  
post #23 of 28 Old 03-15-2017, 12:58 PM
Advanced Member
 
OJ Bartley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Toronto, ON
Posts: 558
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 169 Post(s)
Liked: 241
Looks like I'm too late for your order, but I'll pop this up anyway just in case. I've been using the BFA style banana plugs (these Nakamichi ones, actually) and feel they give GREAT contact in the socket, and have never come loose for me. I like that the contact is throughout the whole plug, instead of just one "expanded" part. The only complaint I have is that the screw on barrel cover (the silver part) can get loose if you twist the wrong way to remove the plug. But they've been good to me for many years, and a few equipment changes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/24-Nakamichi...MAAOSwQgpW~0yO
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	0534E-002.jpg
Views:	31
Size:	38.2 KB
ID:	2028481  
OJ Bartley is online now  
post #24 of 28 Old 03-15-2017, 04:16 PM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
9179mhb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 580
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 134 Post(s)
Liked: 97
I looked at the Nakamichi banana plugs and was considering them too, but at that point I think I already made up my mind to buy from Sewell instead.

Provided I terminate the speaker wires correctly, hopefully they will make good contact with the silver back style I chose.

I never looked at banana plugs before and I'm kind of surprised there are so many different varieties available.
9179mhb is online now  
post #25 of 28 Old 03-15-2017, 06:14 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
jkhome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Virginia Beach, Va., USA
Posts: 1,566
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 91 Post(s)
Liked: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by OJ Bartley View Post
Looks like I'm too late for your order, but I'll pop this up anyway just in case. I've been using the BFA style banana plugs...
Another fan of the BFA style here. I recently made some new cables for my KEF LS50s. Bought-to-try two different connectors. The Blue Jeans Cable locking ones, and the Audioquest BFA crimp-on type. The non-locking BfAs actually have a tighter fit, so went with those. Only needed two pair, so it didn't break the bank.

Last edited by jkhome; 03-15-2017 at 06:19 PM.
jkhome is offline  
post #26 of 28 Old Yesterday, 06:32 AM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
9179mhb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 580
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 134 Post(s)
Liked: 97
Woo Hoo... my banana plugs have arrived at the PO. I'm off to fetch them & hopefully will be able to terminate the speaker wires today.

Sad but true, an old fart (targeting myself only) looks forward to doing things like this.
9179mhb is online now  
post #27 of 28 Old Yesterday, 10:07 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
asarose247's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: DIY enabled in SoCal / OC
Posts: 2,723
Mentioned: 35 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 723 Post(s)
Liked: 483
Who you calling "old"?
Thinking "What's next?" As we all prowl, sometimes blindly through the rabbit hole,
We don't stop thinking about what the next most useful addition might be.

Got pics of your room treatment?
asarose247 is online now  
post #28 of 28 Old Today, 11:26 AM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
9179mhb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 580
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 134 Post(s)
Liked: 97
Quote:
Originally Posted by asarose247 View Post
Got pics of your room treatment?
I can show a few pics of the banana plugs, but my HT is in a state of disarray. If you're interested, you can read about my speaker upgrade saga on the last page of:

*** The Official APERION Thread ***







9179mhb is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply DIY Speakers and Subs



Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off