Originally Posted by Scott Simonian
I don't mind at all. Good questions!
I should preface that these are all opinions and preference. Not real objective data over which method is "best".
Yes, I noticed a difference in the feel of it. With ULF I get a nice up and down motion that feels natural. A "trampoline" effect. If it is as simple as the orientation of the driver related to the seat then...awesome. It is difficult to make a good comparison to other systems as I've had tons of time in my room and only brief moments with theirs. All of their setups are good but different. Archaea's system in general is very well balanced and nothing really stands out, in a good way. The effect is natural sounding and feeling. Carp has tons of different settings when he plays stuff so... it can go any way you want it to. He has both Crowson and nearfield 18 on the MLP. It can be pretty intense! I like. Differences mainly come from how they are configured.
The subriser is also pretty punchy too! I started out with an 80hz cross and let it all in. Was really awesome but after a while I got tired of it and also made some other changes to my system, one of which was different Xover for other speakers which then affected the response to the riser. After all the changes I now have it at 25hz and really use it to supplement the ULF response at the seat than the entire subwoofer bandwidth.
The subriser is a great alternative to the traditional bolt-on transducer system. Though it comes with it's own drawbacks. One has to weigh those pro's and con's against the other solutions out there.
I like the effect enough that I would do it again in the future. I think it combines the best of the nearfield feel and the BK/Crowson feel all in one package.
Thanks for your thoughts on it all! I enjoyed the read and makes a lot of sense.
It's interesting that you say "Trampoline" effect. I'm glad to hear you say that because I love that feel. My NF's are right behind me, so I think that's why I really like having 2 BK LFE's bolted to the frame right underneath me in addition to help augment. The BK's really help bring on that effect. I've always kind of likened it to the "Trampoline" effect like you say.
It's also interesting that you say you have it crossed at 25hz. I've found that this area (from out 15-30hz ish and where the BK's are there strongest) is where I get that Trampoline effect the best. I can tell with test tones and certain movie clips, subjectively and objectively. A couple that come to mind are Pacific Rim when that robot is stomping down the street in the city and Star Wars: TFA the when they steel the Jericho and it hits and skids along the ground. I VibSensed those scenes a while back because I liked the effect so much. And guess what ...that's about where it's the strongest in that 20-25hz area.
I did a bunch of them in the VS thread a while back mainly for ULF scenes that go way lower, but here are these two that I was talking about ...
I'm sure there are pros and cons like you say, but I think the Subriser could work great for me some day since I know I like the effect of NF plus BK/Crowsons feel. So yeah ....maybe an 'all in one package' that doesn't take up any space, as long you have enough room above you after its built. That way every seat can get in on all the goodness
Again, thanks for you thoughts ...much appreciated!