SI has a new 24"... - Page 3 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 244Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #61 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 12:14 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
uniquepattern's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,712
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 735 Post(s)
Liked: 734
Quote:
Originally Posted by notnyt View Post
One thing I feel is worth noting, there's a lot of knowledge that trickles down. Sure not everyone uses data-bass, but those that do share information on how drivers perform, and what driver works better than another.

On the other hand, you'll get people who are like OMG 18" SUB FOR $150 ILL TAKE 10.

some of us around here are very happy that more enlightened persons take the time to edu-ma-kate us....
uniquepattern is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #62 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 12:16 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Decadent_Spectre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,516
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 379 Post(s)
Liked: 179
Quote:
Originally Posted by notnyt View Post
One thing I feel is worth noting, there's a lot of knowledge that trickles down. Sure not everyone uses data-bass, but those that do share information on how drivers perform, and what driver works better than another.

On the other hand, you'll get people who are like OMG 18" SUB FOR $150 ILL TAKE 10.
I get what you mean, the data trickles down but only to some people and upto a certain limit. I have lost count of how many times the CEA is the only metric people bother to read and compare on data bass.

Personally I don't view this as "works better" or not (you got sims for that), how it sounds to me is the final test so data is of limited value to me and people I know IRL. Not one cares X did Y db at Z Hz.

The 10x 150$ sub is sort of what this section has become.
Decadent_Spectre is offline  
post #63 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 12:35 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
BassThatHz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Northern Okan range (NW Cascades region)
Posts: 8,005
Mentioned: 106 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2374 Post(s)
Liked: 2148
The older databass numbers were from the K10, the newer drivers tested by a K20 and it shows above 40hz when a $150 HT beats an LMS-18 etc. The lms would be just as high if done with a K20 too. Just sayin'

There are only a few people capable or willing to drop $2500 on 1 cone. DeepSea's customers base etc.

Haven't crunched the numbers but this driver "likely" out-spl's an RF-19. The 19 fitting in a smaller box however.
BassThatHz is online now  
 
post #64 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 12:36 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
notnyt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 8,774
Mentioned: 217 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2790 Post(s)
Liked: 2569
notnyt is offline  
post #65 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 12:44 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
BassThatHz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Northern Okan range (NW Cascades region)
Posts: 8,005
Mentioned: 106 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2374 Post(s)
Liked: 2148
Performance per $ or Peformance for X dollars is important for most people that aren't lotto winners. So it has to compete against and win over multiple lesser drivers in a reasonable box size, which this driver seems to do... at it's price point.

I'd bet 4 hst or uxl's might just beat it, surely in both: max-burst total power or max-sustained total power at least... if not spl and thd too. The law of big numbers etc.
BassThatHz is online now  
post #66 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 12:52 PM
Bass Enabler
 
Scott Simonian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clovis, CA
Posts: 21,499
Mentioned: 185 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5972 Post(s)
Liked: 5035
Quote:
Originally Posted by notnyt View Post
One thing I feel is worth noting, there's a lot of knowledge that trickles down. Sure not everyone uses data-bass, but those that do share information on how drivers perform, and what driver works better than another.

On the other hand, you'll get people who are like OMG 18" SUB FOR $150 ILL TAKE 10.
You say that like it's a bad thing.

"OMG!! A decent 18" for only $150!" is a good thing to get to say.
carp, STL D and uniquepattern like this.
Scott Simonian is offline  
post #67 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 12:53 PM
Advanced Member
 
PsychoM3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 959
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 401 Post(s)
Liked: 348
Quote:
Originally Posted by Decadent_Spectre View Post
The 10x 150$ sub is sort of what this section has become.
That has as much to do with being smart as it has to with being cheap. Take 4 "cheap" ~20mm excursion 18s and in general terms they will exceed the output of a single 24. Place them around the room and they will produce a flatter response at multiple LPs. You also get a knock on effect with cheaper amplification to run the multiple 18s. That isn't to say that 24s, 32s and whatever is next don't have a place and it isn't just as audio jewelry but if one has the space the bargain 18s are currently the most cost effective way to get to just about any performance goal.
PsychoM3 is offline  
post #68 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 12:56 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
notnyt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 8,774
Mentioned: 217 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2790 Post(s)
Liked: 2569
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post
You say that like it's a bad thing.

"OMG!! A decent 18" for only $150!" is a good thing to get to say.
Oh it's definitely not a bad thing. It's great there's a decent 18 at that price. The low price point overshadows any performance margins since you can just get multiples was the point I was trying to get at
notnyt is offline  
post #69 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 01:00 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
BassThatHz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Northern Okan range (NW Cascades region)
Posts: 8,005
Mentioned: 106 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2374 Post(s)
Liked: 2148
The reason I didn't go with SI is because I wanted a cheap cr4phammer, which is exactly what the JLD SAB-24 gives me...

Something I can fry, while my LMS-18's stay like the rare black-unicorn/perrty-boy drivers that they are. LOL!
BassThatHz is online now  
post #70 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 01:02 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Ricci's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Louisville KY
Posts: 5,342
Mentioned: 103 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 248 Post(s)
Liked: 574
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shreds View Post
As far as the original HS24 Ricci tested, I was at the GTG where the driver changed hands, it was loaded into a box and was found to be already badly damaged to everyone's surprise. Whatever happened prior to that GTG is irrelevant to my point, which is that anytime you hand over a driver to test for max SPL with synthetic tones with a K20 there is a chance of destruction.

I was there too and that is not what I remember happening. I recall it was brought in as the second or third string after they started being Lone Survivor'd at the stake like it was the Asheville bass trials. It got put in as a replacement and worked fine at first, from what I heard, same as it did at my house weeks after testing, until it was subjected to the same treatment as the others.


Anyway, as you said, it doesn't really matter whether it got BBQ'd before or after. It is always risky doing the DB performance evaluations. Bad things can happen. I think the total of damaged drivers is at 8 off of the top of my head. 5 of those deaths were from only 2 different drivers though. RE audio SX18's are not the most robust driver it turns out.
notnyt, lilmike and Purenv like this.
Ricci is offline  
post #71 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 01:07 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Decadent_Spectre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,516
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 379 Post(s)
Liked: 179
Quote:
Originally Posted by PsychoM3 View Post
That has as much to do with being smart as it has to with being cheap. Take 4 "cheap" ~20mm excursion 18s and in general terms they will exceed the output of a single 24. Place them around the room and they will produce a flatter response at multiple LPs. You also get a knock on effect with cheaper amplification to run the multiple 18s. That isn't to say that 24s, 32s and whatever is next don't have a place and it isn't just as audio jewelry but if one has the space the bargain 18s are currently the most cost effective way to get to just about any performance goal.
I'm well aware of all that (not that I care), only stating facts. Don't read more into it than it says.
Decadent_Spectre is offline  
post #72 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 01:37 PM
Advanced Member
 
Shreds's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: NC
Posts: 631
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 392 Post(s)
Liked: 370
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricci View Post
I was there too and that is not what I remember happening. I recall it was brought in as the second or third string after they started being Lone Survivor'd at the stake like it was the Asheville bass trials. It got put in as a replacement and worked fine at first, from what I heard, same as it did at my house weeks after testing, until it was subjected to the same treatment as the others.
2nd or 3rd string I remember... You were upstairs when we started playing it and before the scene in question we could immediately tell there was a problem. That's why Gage went up to get you. If I thought that Gage was at fault I would have most definitely backed you up and cleared it up. I was pretty lucid that night as I recall but if I'm mistaken, my apologies. Either way yeah, stuff happens.

So are you guys going to start an SHS testing fund or what?
Shreds is online now  
post #73 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 02:06 PM
Bass Enabler
 
Scott Simonian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clovis, CA
Posts: 21,499
Mentioned: 185 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5972 Post(s)
Liked: 5035
Scott Simonian is offline  
post #74 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 02:15 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
notnyt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 8,774
Mentioned: 217 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2790 Post(s)
Liked: 2569
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post
I've got five on it!

never the less I'm hella fresh
notnyt is offline  
post #75 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 02:19 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Ricci's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Louisville KY
Posts: 5,342
Mentioned: 103 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 248 Post(s)
Liked: 574
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shreds View Post
I was pretty lucid that night as I recall but if I'm mistaken, my apologies. Either way yeah, stuff happens.

So are you guys going to start an SHS testing fund or what?

Either way let's move on.


I'd like to kick the tires on this driver sure, but I'm not going to be coordinating something like that. I don't want to deal with it and have a distinct lack of free time. If Nick wanted to loan one like he's done his other drivers previously, that's fine. If someone else wanted to put a fund together to buy one that'd be fine too. Doesn't matter to me. If it never happens I'm sure we'll all survive.
Ricci is offline  
post #76 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 02:25 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Decadent_Spectre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,516
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 379 Post(s)
Liked: 179
Josh, you ever going to test a MI driver? I am curious on the harmonics in them in particular.
Decadent_Spectre is offline  
post #77 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 02:50 PM
Bass Enabler
 
Scott Simonian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clovis, CA
Posts: 21,499
Mentioned: 185 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5972 Post(s)
Liked: 5035
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricci View Post
If it never happens I'm sure we'll all survive.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricci View Post
If it...




Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricci View Post
NEVER





Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricci View Post
HAPPENS




Scott Simonian is offline  
post #78 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 02:52 PM
Mark Henninger
 
imagic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 12,436
Mentioned: 276 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6593 Post(s)
Liked: 11340
Just posted about the existence of this thing, plus some words from Nick.

I need your clicks, so here's a link: Stereo Integrity SHS-24 24″ 5000-Watt Neodymium Subwoofer Driver Introduced
Face2 likes this.

Mark Henninger, Senior Editor at AVS Forum
imagic is offline  
post #79 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 02:56 PM
Bass Enabler
 
Scott Simonian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clovis, CA
Posts: 21,499
Mentioned: 185 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5972 Post(s)
Liked: 5035
Quote:
Originally Posted by imagic View Post
Just posted about the existence of this thing, plus some words from Nick.

I need your clicks, so here's a link: Stereo Integrity SHS-24 24″ 5000-Watt Neodymium Subwoofer Driver Introduced

Nice.

I noticed there is no link to a discussion thread about this new driver as most news items do.

Where on AVS can I go to discuss this beast among fellow members?


Scott Simonian is offline  
post #80 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 03:03 PM
Mark Henninger
 
imagic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 12,436
Mentioned: 276 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6593 Post(s)
Liked: 11340
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post
Nice.

I noticed there is no link to a discussion thread about this new driver as most news items do.

Where on AVS can I go to discuss this beast among fellow members?


Link should be there now... and yeah it comes here. I trust you guys.

Mark Henninger, Senior Editor at AVS Forum
imagic is offline  
post #81 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 03:35 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
notnyt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 8,774
Mentioned: 217 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2790 Post(s)
Liked: 2569
Quote:
Originally Posted by imagic View Post
I trust you guys.
... but why? :P
Scott Simonian likes this.
notnyt is offline  
post #82 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 03:52 PM
Mark Henninger
 
imagic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 12,436
Mentioned: 276 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6593 Post(s)
Liked: 11340
Quote:
Originally Posted by notnyt View Post
... but why? :P
Scott Simonian and chirpie like this.

Mark Henninger, Senior Editor at AVS Forum
imagic is offline  
post #83 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 04:36 PM
Advanced Member
 
antisuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 591
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 114 Post(s)
Liked: 160
antisuck is offline  
post #84 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 04:40 PM
Advanced Member
 
esappy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Poulsbo, Washington
Posts: 600
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 219 Post(s)
Liked: 185
Quote:
Originally Posted by notnyt View Post
no replacement for displacement
I have always loved this statement! It is applicable to soooo many things.
notnyt likes this.

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
esappy is online now  
post #85 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 04:49 PM
Advanced Member
 
esappy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Poulsbo, Washington
Posts: 600
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 219 Post(s)
Liked: 185
Quote:
Originally Posted by Decadent_Spectre View Post
Not to try and poke any one or step on any toes (in the new politically correct AVS) but Shreds has a point, most people still don't even know about data bass and if they do it doesn't affect their purchasing decision. There is IMO a very small group
But if @imagic can continue to get news like this on the front page where everyone will see it, then that may spur more interest in people who don't go to the DIY forums where they can be directed to threads like this and get addicted. It only takes one ember to start a forest fire.
imagic and BBLV like this.

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
esappy is online now  
post #86 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 05:27 PM
Senior Member
 
evoryder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Deltona, FL
Posts: 211
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 78 Post(s)
Liked: 93
Quote:
Originally Posted by imagic View Post
Just posted about the existence of this thing, plus some words from Nick.

I need your clicks, so here's a link: Stereo Integrity SHS-24 24″ 5000-Watt Neodymium Subwoofer Driver Introduced
Very nice article!
imagic likes this.
evoryder is offline  
post #87 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 05:32 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
Stereodude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Detroit Metro Area
Posts: 14,205
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3452 Post(s)
Liked: 2523
Quote:
Originally Posted by imagic View Post
I trust you guys.
I can tell you don't know us very well.
Stereodude is offline  
post #88 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 06:56 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
tjcinnamon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 2,007
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1277 Post(s)
Liked: 314
Quote:
Originally Posted by notnyt View Post
Specs look great. Price is silly.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Samps View Post
Specs say 3 cubic foot sealed? The smallest possible cab that it will fit into is around 6 cubic feet sealed. That has to be a typo.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PsychoM3 View Post
While we all would like to see Ricci hook up the K10 and give it the welly it isn't likely to happen. It is a niche in a niche in a niche driver, it is similar to seeing Top Gear flog a Ferrari FXX K, while cool to watch it is only going to impact the buying decision of a tiny number of people on the margins. Plus, the WORST thing Nick could do is send one and limit the power for testing, if Ricci's hands are tied the numbers won't be comparable and could look pretty poor. Ricci BEATS on these drivers, the SI HT18 in the mid-bass got fed clipping levels from the K10 (close to 300V) and that is a 600w driver.

Plus the driver is only the start, most people that buy this driver will likely not leave its care and feeding to a Chinese clone so the amp is going to make the driver price just one installment payment. Not much point in this driver if you plan to iNuke it for breakfast.

If Nick wants to send a driver the HT18v2 makes lots more sense.

Me, I am just a Kia buyer, but the cool thing about bass reproduction is a dozen or two Kias actually beat a single Ferrari by a huge margin. I have 18 V1 HT18s sitting waiting for the theater build at the lake house which given they were similarly priced to one SHS it seems rather silly for MY use. I am more excited about the HT18v2 because since my initial thoughts I have figured out a way to hide 4 more in the new build so I will likely pick up those instead of UM18s.
What do you mean "iNuke it for breakfast"? Are they substandard amps?

I'm looking for an amp to handle 2 SI HST-11's. I have a miniDSP so I could use that and don't need the iNuke DSP.

Marantz 7010 for 7.2.4
2 x Paradigm Prestige 75F's
1 x Paradigm Prestige 55C
8 x Paradigm CI Pro P65-R's
Sub 2 x Rythmik LVX12's
TV: LG 65B6
tjcinnamon is offline  
post #89 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 07:22 PM
Advanced Member
 
PsychoM3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 959
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 401 Post(s)
Liked: 348
Quote:
Originally Posted by tjcinnamon View Post
What do you mean "iNuke it for breakfast"? Are they substandard amps?

I'm looking for an amp to handle 2 SI HST-11's. I have a miniDSP so I could use that and don't need the iNuke DSP.
First, my comment as in relation to this particular 4000w monster. I don't really see anyone spending $2500 for this beast then feeding it less than half its power handling from an iNuke. It is like buying the performance version of a car model that makes 600hp but then running it on super low octane fuel so it only makes 300hp, might as well just saved half the cost of the car and bought the one that made 300hp unless you just prefer show to go.

The iNuke 6000 will get you in the neighborhood of 1300=1400 wpc with both channels driven @4 ohms so it isn't far off the PE of the HST-11 but if I were spending $1100 for a pair of drivers I would look for something that could give each a full 2K which means venturing outside the iNuke family. The iNukes are great for the money and pair very well with many of the low cost 18s and smaller drivers. When you start talking about higher power handling drivers like the one in this topic you start leaving a lot of meat on the bone using lower end amps. I know it may just be 2-3 dB here or there (on something like the HST-11 more for the SHS) but if one is willing to give that up there are usually cheaper driver options available to allow similar numbers for much less money. BTW the HST-11 is a really cool driver but generally meant for very small sealed applications and in those cases power is definitely your friend.
PsychoM3 is offline  
post #90 of 335 Old 05-05-2017, 08:56 PM
Advanced Member
 
Electrodynamic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 840
Mentioned: 90 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 464 Post(s)
Liked: 690
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricci View Post
Driver specs do look nice. That's one big ass motor. Lot of metal there. That's a tight suspension too. Looks like a 26 or 27" sealed cube (225-250L for the driver) would be a good size for it. Large enough to easily fit the driver and motor depth and with enough volume to get some extension and allow it to use some excursion without getting too crazy on the amplifier requirements. 120 volts should net around 35-40mm excursion depending on how the inductance behavior is. Vented models well too but it'll take some creative venting.


Nick,
What's the total depth and weight on this thing? Also have you considered modifying the spider spacer/platform? It looks like it could be redesigned to have a 60 to 45 deg outward angle to possibly fit a larger diameter spider? Maybe it could be rapid prototyped or machined from aluminum on a product this high end? Just a thought.
Mounting depth is 16.5" as listed on the SHS-24 web page. A larger spider could be used but the revised 3D FEA optimized spider pack is more than adequate for the 4" coil. The Fs has nothing to do with the physical size of the spider but rather the deflection, or Cms, of the spider pack. The spider pack used is on purpose with enough stiffness to control the 4" tall 1.5 lb voice coil traveling over 3.7" linear without any issues.
bimmaguy likes this.
Electrodynamic is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply DIY Speakers and Subs

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off