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20 amp surge protector for inuke amps

Hey guys now that my recent subs can handle more power I'm tripping my 15 amp monster and 15 amp Belkon surge protectors when I drive them really hard. I have 2 20 amp circuits and would like to have more power on tap. I'm currently running 4-21'' B&C drivers and 6-15'' legacy drivers off of 4 inuke amps. Basically 2 inuke 6k's and 2 inuke 3k's....

Has anyone bought and can recommend 2 20 amp surge protectors for a decent price?

I looked on amazon and there around 60 dollars what do you guys use.

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This may not really help as I had the same issue but went a different route . .

I crawled the the crawl space and ran 2 x 20 dedicated lines to the HT area

( I pulled / re-ran them from my former computer room but that's another story)

Each line carries an inuke6K and I use a monster surge protector, (I'll have to look for the model. etc.)

the other dedicated 20 amp line carries the X5200, ATI, the Scatmos amps, Xbox1S and HTPC, all goes thru an APC protector / smart strip

the TV and Direct TV box run off regular 15 amp old house circuits

get the larger protector,

has to be easier than electrical work in the dirt /spider webs / who knows what . . .

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Hey guys now that my recent subs can handle more power I'm tripping my 15 amp monster and 15 amp Belkon surge protectors when I drive them really hard. I have 2 20 amp circuits and would like to have more power on tap. I'm currently running 4-21'' B&C drivers and 6-15'' legacy drivers off of 4 inuke amps. Basically 2 inuke 6k's and 2 inuke 3k's....

Has anyone bought and can recommend 2 20 amp surge protectors for a decent price?

I looked on amazon and there around 60 dollars what do you guys use.

Thanks

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20a surge protector does not come cheap like 15a does. The SurgeX SA-20 is nice but it will cost you $400 for Line Conditioning/Surge Protection.
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Has anyone bought and can recommend 2 20 amp surge protectors for a decent price?

I looked on amazon and there around 60 dollars what do you guys use.
Brickwall PW2-R20 - $269.00(US).

There's a(are) reason(s) those Amazon devices are priced like that.
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This one

I'm starting to think maybe the right way to go about this is to keep the 2 surge protectors I have and maybe get two more inexpensive 15 amp surge protectors to keep the cost down. If both amps draw more than 20 amps the breaker will trip for that circuit instead of the main surge protector that the amps are plugged into.
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I don't have this one but when I was looking at getting one this is one that looked pretty good for what it costs. I had it saved in my Amazon wishlist.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00077IS32...0P0TB9QIZ&th=1

https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/pr...ge/cps1220rms/
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Here this guy takes it apart, @ 28:53

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Thanks for the video that surge protector looks like a winner to me. I'm going to order two of those.
Thanks man!!
Cool, let me how they work from you. I plan to get a couple of them in the future for basement setup whenever it gets finished.

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why not get a whole house unit that you can mount right at your electrical panel?

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why not get a whole house unit that you can mount right at your electrical panel?
I would love to have a whole house surge protector, but aren't those pretty expensive? I would imagine that they are over $1,000, and perhaps much more than that.

What I really want is a whole house generator. A Generac or something similar. Unfortunately I can't afford a $5,000+ whole house generator, but it sure would be nice to have one. I live in a area that gets bared storms during the summer and spring, often causing our power to go off. We get bad snow and ice in the winter and it's not uncommon to loose power for anywhere from 2 days to a week in the winter time.
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I would love to have a whole house surge protector, but aren't those pretty expensive? I would imagine that they are over $1,000, and perhaps much more than that.

What I really want is a whole house generator. A Generac or something similar. Unfortunately I can't afford a $5,000+ whole house generator, but it sure would be nice to have one. I live in a area that gets bared storms during the summer and spring, often causing our power to go off. We get bad snow and ice in the winter and it's not uncommon to loose power for anywhere from 2 days to a week in the winter time.
not at all. with installation you can be well under $500
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Cool, let me how they work from you. I plan to get a couple of them in the future for basement setup whenever it gets finished.


I placed the order for two of the surge protectors that you linked in your post. Thanks!
Once it arrives I'll post some pictures of it for everyone to see. This is what I was looking for along with with what everyone else posted but with price being at 66$ each I figured it's worth a shot.
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why not get a whole house unit that you can mount right at your electrical panel?
I would love to have a whole house surge protector, but aren't those pretty expensive? I would imagine that they are over $1,000, and perhaps much more than that.

What I really want is a whole house generator. A Generac or something similar. Unfortunately I can't afford a $5,000+ whole house generator, but it sure would be nice to have one. I live in a area that gets bared storms during the summer and spring, often causing our power to go off. We get bad snow and ice in the winter and it's not uncommon to loose power for anywhere from 2 days to a week in the winter time.
They have 17kW rms generators at Costco for like half that cost.

I have not looked into the whole house units, i probably should though, i was thinking about it 5 years ago but never pulled the trigger. Lightning here is rare and brief.
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I don't actually have one because we also rarely have lightning strikes, but I have looked into the FS140 as one option. it's about $225 on amazon

https://www.amazon.com/Siemens-FS140...dp/B013WINMK6/

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not so unfeasible wrt cost

due to nothing short of a total lack of technical know-how

point me at something that would tell me how to install this . .

my 200 amp main feeds 2 sub panels, a 60 amp (garage)and a 125 amp (house) and 2 x 20 HT lines run directly off it . .

sounds tricky to get them all

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I don't have this one but when I was looking at getting one this is one that looked pretty good for what it costs. I had it saved in my Amazon wishlist.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00077IS32...0P0TB9QIZ&th=1

https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/pr...ge/cps1220rms/
@notnyt used those and I picked a few up as well. They're beefcake.
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not so unfeasible wrt cost

due to nothing short of a total lack of technical know-how

point me at something that would tell me how to install this . .

my 200 amp main feeds 2 sub panels, a 60 amp (garage)and a 125 amp (house) and 2 x 20 HT lines run directly off it . .

sounds tricky to get them all

Not so tricky to install , you install it on your main panel , that in theory protects everything feeding off it . What is tricky is really deciding if a whole house protector will even do anything if the need arises. I was looking into it for my house , found several technical articles discussing the topic saying that they are largely ineffective and that you would still need supplemental protection for your sensitive electronics.

http://www.us-tech.com/RelId/1082596...#39;t_Work.htm

Quick search found this , I would suggest researching before investing the time or money.

It was like that when I got here
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@notnyt used those and I picked a few up as well. They're beefcake.
I'm also using one of these whole house protectors since I can't run my speakerpower amps off a normal protector:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01AQAKRSS
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When surges come from lighting strikes etc, they look for the shortest route to ground. So when you add all your 20 amp and 30
amp wiring like you should have had from the beginning,it is a good idea to make these runs longer than the standard runs, as an extra
measure of protection.

The best protection is the whole house suppressor. With all the utube videos on installing one of these, anyone should be able to put
one on the panel, More or less it is just a huge box which install's on the panel and provides the shortest path to ground.

Installing an entire extra panel is also a great option for those that like to set up their systems with no bottlenecks at the wall outlet.
This is what i did with some 100 amp line from home depot, along with an entire panel with 20 breakers for under 300.00. I forgot to call
the installation wizards and did it myself.

Seems to be overboard to spend more on protection for the amplifier than the amplifier itself when it comes to inukes. "

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I don't actually have one because we also rarely have lightning strikes, but I have looked into the FS140 as one option. it's about $225 on amazon



https://www.amazon.com/Siemens-FS140...dp/B013WINMK6/


Very first surge and you'd have to replace it.

Not like these are a bad idea (they aren't) they are also not a set and forget type thing either. Much like the surge protectors in the house, once they hit a surge they generally lose their protection as well. The cheaper whole house ones probably don't have the life span of the outlet type protectors either, meaning after a set amount of time they need replaced. I had some expensive ones at work that only had 1 years worth of protection.


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When surges come from lighting strikes etc, they look for the shortest route to ground. So when you add all your 20 amp and 30
amp wiring like you should have had from the beginning,it is a good idea to make these runs longer than the standard runs, as an extra
measure of protection.
Again, you spout nonsense made up entirely in your head and not from any actual experience or solid reasoning.

Longer runs means more resistance means more voltage drop. That's just bad practice and nonsensical. Do you think the very small added resistance here is going to matter compared to the electronics that are plugged into it? Do you even understand what happens when there's a lightning strike? I don't think you do. I'm terrified for anyone who has to work on your electrical system that you self installed. You really should get a copy of the NEC and read it.
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I'm also using one of these whole house protectors since I can't run my speakerpower amps off a normal protector:



https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01AQAKRSS


Good idea on installing that whole house surge protector to help protect those speaker power amps of something happening I think I would lose my s@@t if they fried from type of storm if I owned them. My old boss who was a B card electrician for 30 years for Hilton Which means he worked on all there electrical controls in the building suggested the same thing to me a while back when we worked together. They look easy to install to. My surge protectors just showed up a few minutes ago I'll post some pictures tonight of them.
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Good idea on installing that whole house surge protector to help protect those speaker power amps of something happening I think I would lose my s@@t if they fried from type of storm if I owned them. My old boss who was a B card electrician for 30 years for Hilton Which means he worked on all there electrical controls in the building suggested the same thing to me a while back when we worked together. They look easy to install to. My surge protectors just showed up a few minutes ago I'll post some pictures tonight of them.
They're cake to install, one wire to ground, one wire to each phase. Just put in a 60a double pole breaker or whatever they recommend.
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Again, you spout nonsense made up entirely in your head and not from any actual experience or solid reasoning.

Longer runs means more resistance means more voltage drop. That's just bad practice and nonsensical. Do you think the very small added resistance here is going to matter compared to the electronics that are plugged into it? Do you even understand what happens when there's a lightning strike? I don't think you do. I'm terrified for anyone who has to work on your electrical system that you self installed. You really should get a copy of the NEC and read it.
The practical nuisance person you are, if i said black you would say white. If you got proper gauge wire, you are not going to have any resistance causing any practical usage concerns. An extra 5 feet of 20amp or 30 amp wire really means nothing unless you overload it, with say 4 CV 5000 on one 30 amp breaker.

For someone who runs around selling smps amplifiers on the basis of , oh my god the breaker might pop!!! once again you show your hypocritical stance, depending on who you wish to argue with or which way the wind blows lol .
God help the guy whose house is 20 feet longer than mine to the nearest panel LOL. With your usual stupid remarks,
he will be suffering unacceptable voltage drop.

The whole house surge is a simple module to attach to the breaker panel. One wire to ground, one to neutral, and the other two to the double breaker. We accomplish series wiring easier than this for speakers.

Extra panels is a no brainer as well if one wants to apply himself. AS far as your call the inspector attitude is concerned, I guess we better complain about everyone else and their dog that developes the basement without a permit for anything.......................... to avoid being reassessed and extra 100000 on the taxes.

I have completely rewired 2 entire homes that were nob and tube...................... What do you think is more dangerous, my wiring, or living in the nob and tube as is LOL. Get a life........................... People every day are
doing things themselves they never did before. This is why we are in the age of home depot, Rona, Revy, and many
other do it yourself stores. Many knowledgeable people at these stores will even teach you how to do the job you want to do.

Your horse manure is getting boring. The only thing you managed to do that was so smart if you can call it smart, is come to me bragging about lab gruppen when arguing about smps amplifiers, while holding clones!!!!!!!!!!.
You can't get any closer to technical criminal copyright infringement, as by doing this you are saying you believe your clones are lab gruppen, and that is enough to proceed to affidavits for legal action.

A Good amplifier requires a adequate power supply, It does not matter what the amplifier is capable of if the power supply will not provide the power required. Most amplifiers have under rated power supplies. It is up to you to make sure you get the ones that are least under rated if at all.

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The practical nuisance person you are, if i said black you would say white. If you got proper gauge wire, you are not going to have any resistance causing any practical usage concerns. An extra 5 feet of 20amp or 30 amp wire really means nothing unless you overload it, with say 4 CV 5000 on one 30 amp breaker.
If it doesn't mean anything why are you suggesting it? Do you think 5 feet is going to save equipment form a lightning strike? Here's an idea, if you don't want to get called out for posting nonsense, stop posting.

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For someone who runs around selling smps amplifiers on the basis of , oh my god the breaker might pop!!! once again you show your hypocritical stance, depending on who you wish to argue with or which way the wind blows lol .
God help the guy whose house is 20 feet longer than mine to the nearest panel LOL. With your usual stupid remarks,
he will be suffering unacceptable voltage drop.
More nonsense, I don't sell amps.

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The whole house surge is a simple module to attach to the breaker panel. One wire to ground, one to neutral, and the other two to the double breaker. We accomplish series wiring easier than this for speakers.

Extra panels is a no brainer as well if one wants to apply himself. AS far as your call the inspector attitude is concerned, I guess we better complain about everyone else and their dog that developes the basement without a permit for anything.......................... to avoid being reassessed and extra 100000 on the taxes.

I have completely rewired 2 entire homes that were nob and tube...................... What do you think is more dangerous, my wiring, or living in the nob and tube as is LOL. Get a life........................... People every day are
doing things themselves they never did before. This is why we are in the age of home depot, Rona, Revy, and many
other do it yourself stores. Many knowledgeable people at these stores will even teach you how to do the job you want to do.

Your horse manure is getting boring. The only thing you managed to do that was so smart if you can call it smart, is come to me bragging about lab gruppen when arguing about smps amplifiers, while holding clones!!!!!!!!!!.
You can't get any closer to technical criminal copyright infringement, as by doing this you are saying you believe your clones are lab gruppen, and that is enough to proceed to affidavits for legal action.
Yeah sure, house wiring is simple, if you know what you're doing. Wiring in a panel is not something someone should do without an understanding of how to do it safely and the dangers they're working with. Yes, it's simple, but it's dangerous. You also need to be familiar with the NEC so all your wiring is to code. Clearly you've never read it.

Not sure where your comment about calling an inspector came from, as I never mentioned that. It would be hilarious if you were explaining to an inspector why your cable runs were longer than they're supposed to be so they prevent your equipment getting damaged from lightning strikes. You'd get laughed at even more than you do on this forum.

As for LG clones, not sure what that has to do with anything either. But this is your normal tactic when you're called out for posting trash. You spew as much crap as you can hoping to divert attention from the topic of the idiotic things you've said.
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If it doesn't mean anything why are you suggesting it? Do you think 5 feet is going to save equipment form a lightning strike? Here's an idea, if you don't want to get called out for posting nonsense, stop posting.



More nonsense, I don't sell amps.



Yeah sure, house wiring is simple, if you know what you're doing. Wiring in a panel is not something someone should do without an understanding of how to do it safely and the dangers they're working with. Yes, it's simple, but it's dangerous. You also need to be familiar with the NEC so all your wiring is to code. Clearly you've never read it.

Not sure where your comment about calling an inspector came from, as I never mentioned that. It would be hilarious if you were explaining to an inspector why your cable runs were longer than they're supposed to be so they prevent your equipment getting damaged from lightning strikes. You'd get laughed at even more than you do on this forum.

As for LG clones, not sure what that has to do with anything either. But this is your normal tactic when you're called out for posting trash. You spew as much crap as you can hoping to divert attention from the topic of the idiotic things you've said.
http://www.calculator.net/voltage-dr...s=20&x=60&y=15

lol here everyone can calculate your bs voltage drop issues . enough said lol

like i said, surges look for shortest path to ground.

whole house surge breaker is the shortest path to ground when installed.

For extra protection a few extra feet of line per breaker is of little issue. In my house the stove wire is the shortest path to ground ex the new whole house breaker i put in. The last time hydro turned off power and rebooted it, the stove clock burnt out. Everything else was fine. That is on panel 1

The entire second panel is 10 ft further via 100 amp wire. Yes this 10 feet further is a much longer path to ground.
The lighting rod is also an alternative. One rod 10 feet above you house and that is where the lighting will go. lol

I also recommend if wiring for your whole audio system, to make all lengths the same................ helps with ground loop issues.

Power distros and extra panel at the audio system are also great alternatives.

Now weather you say you sell clones or you do not. Being the most vocal person in the entire nafta region on clones, makes you the biggest intellectual property theft promoter this side of the globe. When you make your bed you have to lay in it. Get use to it.

A Good amplifier requires a adequate power supply, It does not matter what the amplifier is capable of if the power supply will not provide the power required. Most amplifiers have under rated power supplies. It is up to you to make sure you get the ones that are least under rated if at all.

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