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Hey guys, so I'm leaning more and more towards only one sub for now and then seeing if I need another or not. I think i'm pretty sure I'm going to go with the buttkicker amp which seems to offer alot of bang for buck.

I would love to go with a sealed design, but it sounds like that I would lose alot of output if I did that compared to a ported design.

That being said, regardless, what kind of differences can I expect in drivers such as:

TCSounds DB500 12" (may considered something like 2 sealed with these?)
Dayton Audio Titanic MKIII 15"
TCSounds TC2000 12" or 15"
Soundsplinter RL-P 15"
Dayton Audio High Output or High Fidelity 15"

I like that the TCSounds are cheap and the 12" can be a little smaller (and I can add another for pretty cheap if I want to up the impact alot). However, If I can achieve the same result by buying one higher end sub like the TC2000 or Soundsplinter, I wouldn't mind going that route either. I don't want 2 15" subs though.

I think the absolute most i'd like to spend on driver(s) would be $300. BTW - Am I leaving out any really good drivers I should look at? The Tumult and Brahma are out of my price range. What about the Koda, worth considering?

Thanks for the input, just hard to make that last choice before plunking down the cash.

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I went with a tc 2000 12" w/ buttkicker and bassis in a sealed 3.1 ft alignment.

Absolutely friggin love it.
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Hi DD, how big is your room and what would you compare your sub to (any commercial designs, etc?

Thanks!

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I have not gone sub shopping except for blowing off time at the best buy. I do know that it blows away anything they had, at least to the extent they would let me listen. This sub weighs in about 140 pounds or near there. 3/4 mdf X2 for the front, and lots of bracing (too much?), and wraped with 3/4 furniture grade oak. Heavy. No one is gonna steal it and run!
Room is aprox. 14 X 22. It is a finished basement in your basic raised ranch.
Good, clean, plentiful bass, with as much cabinet as I could get away with. I will soon have a complete set of wwmt's from over the htguide. The center channel weighs about 60 or 70 pounds.
I have met the WAF limit I think! :^)

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You've got me intrigued!

Was there any fear in losing SPL doing sealed vs ported?

Also, any comments on the TC2000 vs the Soundsplinter RL-P 15 or 2 DB500s?

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I'd say for overall value AND performance, get a Rpl 15 with a bought, pre cut vented 9cuft box.



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You've got me intrigued!

Was there any fear in losing SPL doing sealed vs ported?

Also, any comments on the TC2000 vs the Soundsplinter RL-P 15 or 2 DB500s?

You'll get much more SPL in a vented enclosure.

TC-great driver but a little expensive
SS-great driver (again) and well proven and less money
DB-SVS used those. Very good performers, but you'll itch for more later on....15", 18".

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There's no way I'm putting a 9 cubic foot box in my room!

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I saw a girl pop out of a box that size once at a batchler party.
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No room, woman thing or both?

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DB-SVS used those. Very good performers, but you'll itch for more later on....15", 18".

You mean SVS used drivers that had the same basket and cone?
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No fear at all. I like the "sealed" sound better, I guess I have yet to hear a vented box done right, but I have not had the chance to drop in on other peoples projects either.
With that much power in that much space, it works quite well. It shakes the house plenty.
A pic of the home theater, an acoustical nightmare btw. Ya gots to work with what ya got.
Don't mind the tower speakers that are there now, they are about to get displaced.
But, you can see, I don't have hella room to work with, and this sub does the job in that space.
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Vitod, where do you get 9 ft box's pre made?

Also, to midfiman, the bassis made a HUGE difference in the output/sound of that sub.
If I did not have the bassis, I probably would consider a sonotube instead.

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Hi DD, thanks for the input, what the heck is bassis? Thx!

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http://www.marchandelec.com/wm8.html
It is one way of getting the most out of a (sealed only!) sub. An LT circuit.
You can build one yourself for about $240 or so. An excellent kit, about two nights worth of work if you know how to hold onto a soldering iron. Phil at marchand uses only quality stuff.
Plus the satisfaction of DIY.
There are other ways, namely bheringer (sp).

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Vitod, where do you get 9 ft box's pre made?

Also, to midfiman, the bassis made a HUGE difference in the output/sound of that sub.
If I did not have the bassis, I probably would consider a sonotube instead.

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ubw&1173777422

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Woah, $240 just for that? Yikes, that's the price of the driver!

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Phil Marchand has built some very cool electronics for me over the years.

The Bassis can be purchased in forms ranging from a bare bones kit all the way up to a modded assembled and tested system in a black metal case, ready to go.

It's what amounts to a Linkwitz Transform with infinitely adjustable parameters, on the fly. It will instantly adapt to any sealed subwoofer/amplifier/room.

And, best of all, Dr. Phil's stuff is ACCURATE.

I like 4 of the DB-500-12" in 6-7 cubes with an EP-2500. Mated with a Bassis, you have a serious as he!!, very flexible system, IMHO.

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Woah, $240 just for that? Yikes, that's the price of the driver!

Best alt, Behringer Feedback Destroyer. You only use the equilizer section.

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Woah, $240 just for that? Yikes, that's the price of the driver!

You are starting to see the relationship between small sealed vs. big ported.
Each one has its own pros/cons and this is why people argue on the forums
about subwoofer design. You start to manifest different camps, the IB camp,
the sealed box camp, the ported camp, etc., and now the boner for the fansub camp
has emerged. lol ...

It all boils down to money and real estate.



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You mean SVS used drivers that had the same basket and cone?

Hey...ya never know. It could be the last batch that SVS decided not to buy when they went in-house build.

BTW...thanks to you gettin' off yer duff and measuring your 2K, I decided to order a pair...alas, none in stock. I very much appreciate the effort.

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Phil Marchand has built some very cool electronics for me over the years.

The Bassis can be purchased in forms ranging from a bare bones kit all the way up to a modded assembled and tested system in a black metal case, ready to go.

It's what amounts to a Linkwitz Transform with infinitely adjustable parameters, on the fly. It will instantly adapt to any sealed subwoofer/amplifier/room.

And, best of all, Dr. Phil's stuff is ACCURATE.

I like 4 of the DB-500-12" in 6-7 cubes with an EP-2500. Mated with a Bassis, you have a serious as he!!, very flexible system, IMHO.

Bosso

It would be too big and expensive for him. But you never know.

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Best alt, Behringer Feedback Destroyer. You only use the equilizer section.

Actually, the best bet is to order the Bassis as a single board with fixed parameters, based on a model of the sub, with a power supply, mounted inside the sub box. IMO, it's still much more accurate than manually adjusting a digital EQ in-room, and around $100.

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That is a SMOKING deal on that! I would spend at least that much just to ship it!

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It would be too big and expensive for him. But you never know.

Hmmm. Aren't they selling the DB-500s for like $75 right now?

Hey, Digital,

Very, very nice work on the oak sub

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Hmmm. Aren't they selling the DB-500s for like $75 right now?

Hey, Digital,

Very, very nice work on the oak sub

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Your right. Too big then.

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No room, woman thing or both?

Going in a family room, would be kinda tacky if it's too big.

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Don't overlook the Dayton Quatro 15. Pleanty of output. Mine is in a 5.5 cuft enclosure tuned to 18 hz. Driving it with the 240 watt Parts Express plate amp. Cheao too!!





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Hmmm. Aren't they selling the DB-500s for like $75 right now?

Hey, Digital,

Very, very nice work on the oak sub

Bosso


Yes, they are only $75, which is why my curiosity is peaked. I think at the moment I'm just trying to decide if I should pick up 2 DB500s or go with 1 TC2000 or SS and build one solid vented sub.

I wonder if one TC2000 or SS would be enough to fill my room with adequate bass (not stomach churning like I would imagine most of the guys here have for subs).

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Going in a family room, would be kinda tacky if it's too big.

Make a pretty box, it can double as a table.

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