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post #1 of 37 Old 05-27-2007, 07:33 PM - Thread Starter
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I am just about finished with the deck and starting to look at speaker options. I do not want to mount speakers on the back of the house and I would like to make the speakers as invisible as possible so I was thinking about planter style speakers to sit in each corner of the deck. The deck is about 2 feet off the ground so I do not think that rock speakers or omni in-ground speakers would work. Anybody have any suggestions on brand of outdoor speakers and seen any reviews. I have not been able to find many reviews. Thanks.
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I have a pair of rock subwoofers from http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/ and I'm considering buying a pair of their "normal" outdoor speakers with 10" speakers to replace my existing pair of speakers with 4" speakers.
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Foremost, let me give you my disclaimer - I am not a Bose fan. After my extensive research for indoor speakers, I went with Axiom's and I am very happy with them!

Anyways, on to my review...I recently purchased four Bose FreeSpace 51's. These speakers provide 360 degree sound. I normally would not have walked into a Bose store, but I was walking along an outdoor path at a hotel/casino here in Las Vegas and heard music. I immediately investigated the source, thinking a hotel/casino would only purchase a decent set of speakers. Climbing into the bushes I was surprised to see the Bose 51's there. They were really clear and crisp. Perfect for what I was trying to achieve with my backyard.

I am not sure if it is a concern of yours, but given the close proximity of my neighbors, I didn't want to get traditional speakers. That means I would have to mount them higher up on the back of my house and since I have a pretty good sized lot, I would have to crank them to hear them in the pool. So I decided to go with the Free Space and I am pleased. Not to mention, they have a 5 yr warranty. Only downside I saw is that they don't make the tan and grey colors anymore! So all I have is the green. So I have to put it next to a plant to blend in...

Just my two cents. Best of luck!


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Not seeing them is a problem on a deck. I gave up on hiding speakers on my deck and went with 6.5" Yamaha outdoor speakers. I mounted them above eye level up under the upper deck. Most people don't notice them except when they notice great music and look around to see where it's coming from.

I have lately seen some deck speakers mounted in planter boxes, below small deck tables, and even integrated into the base of a bubbling spherical water feature meant to be on a deck or in the yard. The bubbling might seem to distract though, IMO.
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I always liked the Voyager 7 from Boston, a rich full sound that can play loud for parties. I think the important questions here are:

Neighbors?

How much space are we talking about here?

Have you thought about a subwoofer?




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I plan to 5.1 the deck but do have neighbours so dont want the sound to spread given you start movies late.

I want to die in my sleep like grandpa... not kicking and screaming like the people in his car.
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http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/

I want to die in my sleep like grandpa... not kicking and screaming like the people in his car.
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Neighbors can always be invited to the movie. If they are nasty b$st$rds like mine though, you just make sure your speakers all point inward toward your audience, then don't crank them up all the way. Sound falls off quickly outdoors. I play music on my deck with speakers on the house wall facing out. On the deck it'll sound great. 10 feet off the deck I can't hear it at all. Outdoors is rarely very quiet anyway. In the summer you'll hear air conditioners, traffic, etc. I'll hear local airport traffic, nearby stadium noise, an array of bird an insect sounds, and the simple breeze rustling leaves in the trees. All those noises help lose your movie sounds. Of course some sounds travel better than others. If your movie has fire engine sirens blaring, the neighbors may still look out to see where the fire is.
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I am looking also for outdoor speakers for my deck and have looked at Outdoor Speakers Depot, but they make me nervous. You can't hear the speakers first so you kind of have to go with the specs. The specs look good for sure, but they are so much cheaper than say the Polks or Boston Acoustics. Then the old saying "you get what you pay for" comes into play. Has anyone actually purchased the normal type patio speakers from them?
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I am looking also for outdoor speakers for my deck and have looked at Outdoor Speakers Depot, but they make me nervous. You can't hear the speakers first so you kind of have to go with the specs. The specs look good for sure, but they are so much cheaper than say the Polks or Boston Acoustics. Then the old saying "you get what you pay for" comes into play. Has anyone actually purchased the normal type patio speakers from them?


Same here.. want something simple, nothing too fancy, but cant spend $500 on a set of outdoor speakers either. just want to have some music outside (not 5.1 or anything like that)
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I am very happy with my Yamaha 6.5" outdoor speakers. I was able to listen to a large varied display of speakers in a large BestBuy when I bought them. The Yamahas sounded the best, no question. They won't disappear on a deck, but can be mounted on the wall or up underneath the roof overhang out of most people's normal cone of vision. You could even make space for them in some deck furniture (like a small cedar or redwood end table) and hide them that way.
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I am looking also for outdoor speakers for my deck and have looked at Outdoor Speakers Depot, but they make me nervous. You can't hear the speakers first so you kind of have to go with the specs. The specs look good for sure, but they are so much cheaper than say the Polks or Boston Acoustics. Then the old saying "you get what you pay for" comes into play. Has anyone actually purchased the normal type patio speakers from them?

Yes, I bought a pair of http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/apmasepasp.html speakers and they sound great. They're a huge improvement over the $75 pair of speakers that I replaced.
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Let me calm your nerves about the outdoorspeakerdepot.

This place is 2 minutes from my house and I have made a couple of purchases from them in the past. On one of my visits, I actually did a sample test of the rock speakers vs. the omni speakers. The choice is a no brainer...rock speakers by a mile. A close second would be the patio mount style that hangs under the eave.

Bottom Line...
1) Prices are pretty much the lowest anywhere. Don't let this fool you into thinking that you will not receive good support.
2) Outstanding customer service- hard to find in a business that is primarily web based. You can actually talk to a live person --that actually knows their product.
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Glad you brought it to my attention as I am not out to be an unpaid salesman for the depot. TIC looks like a fine company and may be a better company to buy from. I will definitely take a look at them for any future purposes.

That being said...the combination of price and service has made me a repeat customer of the depot and should serve them well in future growth.
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I was thinking of buying 2 DJ type speakers

http://www.eliminatorlightingdirect....y_p/tr-120.htm

Has anyone had any experience with this kind of speaker? If placed 30' from the seating area, will they suffice in your opinion? I'm only doing two for now.

Also, someone said the sound dies off quickly outside, can others confirm this? The houses closest to the speakers will be about 150' away.
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Rated at 450 watts, I'd guess they should do fine assuming you've got a good enough amp to power them. Sound in general does die off goemetrically, however some frequencies travel farther than others through the air. It will help if the speakers are both aimed at the center of the audience. It will also help if there is no wall behind the crowd to reflect the sounds back at the neighbors.

Another thing to consider is that human hearing can be extremely sensitive to any tiny sound when there are no other sounds to compete. Outdoors there are usually many other sounds like insects and animals as well as AC compressors and traffic and wind in the trees. You might even hear the hum of electrical transformers if you live close enough to one. Add all those sounds up and our ears de-sensitize. We can generally pick voices out of the "music" of the night, but won't be able to make much sense of the other noises unless we concentrate.
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Rated at 450 watts, I'd guess they should do fine assuming you've got a good enough amp to power them.

Interesting, would you consider a cheap 100wpc avr sufficient or should I go to Rat Shack and get a 3 chnl amp, or something else (preferably cheap)?

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It will help if the speakers are both aimed at the center of the audience. It will also help if there is no wall behind the crowd to reflect the sounds back at the neighbors.

Thanks, I will try them aimed into the center of the crowd. However, behind the crowd is nothing but wide open space for another 100-150' and that is where a row of homes are.

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Another thing to consider is that human hearing can be extremely sensitive to any tiny sound when there are no other sounds to compete. Outdoors there are usually many other sounds like insects and animals as well as AC compressors and traffic and wind in the trees. You might even hear the hum of electrical transformers if you live close enough to one. Add all those sounds up and our ears de-sensitize. We can generally pick voices out of the "music" of the night, but won't be able to make much sense of the other noises unless we concentrate.

The only other noises will be crickets and other critters since there are miles of woods behind and to the left of the screening wall.

Thanks for the reply and tell me your thoughts on avr vs. amp if you please.
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Interesting, would you consider a cheap 100wpc avr sufficient or should I go to Rat Shack and get a 3 chnl amp, or something else (preferably cheap)?

It's all a function of how much volume you need to allow your crowd to all hear. I've got a small 20wx2 Radio Shack amp that can push small optimus speakers to the point of distortion. You can pick up a Insignia stereo receiver with enough power at Best Buy for less than $100. I use one solely to power an old passive subwoofer. I think I paid $69 for an open box model. If you think you need a subwoofer along with those speakers (I doubt it) then you'll have to look for a 2.1 amp or use a 5.1 receiver. I've also seen some of those near $100 at BestBuy. Whatever you get, hook it up and try it before the return policy time limit expires. If it doesn't work you can take it back and try something else.
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and comparing rock speakers to Omni Speakers is like comparing a train to a car. A train is more powerful in only one direction, remember those rails, mono-directional. So if you have one sweet spot and you always sit there you're fine. If you move omni speakers are more versatile.

Omni Speakers are all around sound, 360deg. Their broadcast range is a complete broadcast circle not a cone. So they are much more capable than any mono-directional speaker if your purpose is to have balanced sound over an entire area. This is why you see TIC Omnispeakers http://www.ticcorp.com/omni_speakers.htm in most theme parks and resorts. They are the original that people try to copy like the Chinese guy at outdoorspeaker depot and even Bose tries to copy them with their freespace 51's.

Speaking of the guy at outdoorspeaker depot, I went there once, looks like a good range of products on paper but then I saw some lies and that put me off; 1966?? There were NO outdoor speaker companies in 1966! Award winning??? Again he copies TIC's Omnispeakers. I didn't see any awards, TIC & Rockustics are two of the oldest outdoor speakers companies in existence, both award winning, while they've only been in existence since the late 70's or early 80's.

By the way I asked, the joker at outdoorspeaker depot has only been in business since 2003 1966 indeed! And he's only an internet company. If he'll mislead about that what else does he falsely claim?

I've used and installed many outdoor speakers, restaurants, miniature golf courses (family fun centers) and many private homes. I only use TIC's www.ticcorp.com or Niles www.nilesaudio.com these are my choices for performance and reliability. Both these companies know what they're doing.

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I agree with that. The depot guy has not only copied TIC speakers but most of the manufacturers on his site. How do people get away with that. Politicians are allowed to have sexual affairs during office so I guess chinese guy from speaker depot can illegally copy other products & mis-lead the consumers without going to jail. Man, I think we are fighting the wrong war. Maybe I will move to China, bring my friends & family, and start my very own business factory selling a copies of fallen China wall. Who will actually know?
Sorry for that but it chaps me to see our economy supporting people like this speaker depot fake.

I do agree with the TIC speakers, we install them for most of our customers & never heard anyone badmouth the products. We have them at our home as well. Great speakers from TIC. Maybe that's why depot guy copied them in the first place.

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I use DJ speakers and an amp and it works great! Big or small i got it covered.

I use MTX DJ speakers that i got at circuit city for about $100 each, a Nady 150x2 amp from musician's friend and a small mixer so i can eq if I need to.

At our last movie night I made a DVD with 2hrs of music and no picture, a welcome message,follwed by premovie slides, trailers, intro and then the actual movie.

I just ran the dvd 2.25 hours before I wanted the movie to start.So when people were hanging out music was playing. When I heard the welcome message i went over and turned on the projector.

The speakers worked prefectly for both music and the movie. The only issues I had was it's one more thing to tear down at the end of the night and all my freinds want me to bring the system (projector, screen, audio) to their parties =)

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I was thinking of buying 2 DJ type speakers

http://www.eliminatorlightingdirect....y_p/tr-120.htm

Has anyone had any experience with this kind of speaker? If placed 30' from the seating area, will they suffice in your opinion? I'm only doing two for now.

Also, someone said the sound dies off quickly outside, can others confirm this? The houses closest to the speakers will be about 150' away.


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At Outdoor Speaker Depot I purchased 2 M16 Amps and 8 OS850 speakers. On the first day of installation the lights on one amp did not work and within one month none of the tweeters work and they are falling off of their mounts hanging by their wires. Bad luck for me, now I have the hassel of trying to make the repairs on a system that cost me just under $2,000.00 and another $600.00 for wire and also the labor to install.
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At Outdoor Speaker Depot I purchased 2 M16 Amps and 8 OS850 speakers. On the first day of installation the lights on one amp did not work and within one month none of the tweeters work and they are falling off of their mounts hanging by their wires. Bad luck for me, now I have the hassel of trying to make the repairs on a system that cost me just under $2,000.00 and another $600.00 for wire and also the labor to install.

this a result of bad product or crappy company?
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Here is a link to a thread from when I was looking at in wall/ceiling and outdoor speakers. I ended up getting Russound in a whole house system.

I then bought this for my father-in-law...

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AP850 MasterPro Reference Pair 8" Patio Speakers

Description

All-Weather Versatility
Rigid, Acoustically Inert Enclosure,
Teflon®-sealed internal cabinetry & driver
8" polypropylene woofer
2" supernil soft dome tweeter
Power handling: 200W
Frequency Response 22Hz - 20kHz
Sensitivity 90db
Impedance 8 ohm 70V switchable
70V tap: 40W, 30W, 25W, 20W
Finishes: White and Black
Includes full swing multi-mount brackets
Gold-plated 5-way binding posts
Powder coated aluminum grille
Unit Dimension: (H x W x D): 15¾" x 11" x 10"
Unit Weight: 16 lbs x 2 = 32 lbs pack
5Yr Warranty (Products sold before July 2006 are 2-Yr Warranty)

I'm now looking for 2 (or more?) sets of outdoor speakers.
I recently bought an Emotiva UPA-2 to add some power to my two Russound amps.

Other options:
- Speakercraft
- Axiom

Some links:
www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com
http://www.axiomaudio.com/
outdoor_speakers.html?1230
smarthome.com
AVHiFiOnline store
parts-express.com
http://www.partsexpress.com/outdoor-speaker-produ c...

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I am just about finished with the deck and starting to look at speaker options. I do not want to mount speakers on the back of the house and I would like to make the speakers as invisible as possible so I was thinking about planter style speakers to sit in each corner of the deck. The deck is about 2 feet off the ground so I do not think that rock speakers or omni in-ground speakers would work. Anybody have any suggestions on brand of outdoor speakers and seen any reviews. I have not been able to find many reviews. Thanks.

I have found that the "Planter" style speaker work best in applications such as this but you need to make sure you are getting a quality product & not something as cheap as you can find. The larger speakers that house the 6.5" or 8" woofers will deliver more indoor quality sound than the smaller speakers. There are several sizes and shapes you can choose from. We found these at a couple of different places but you can see them here as a suggestion: http://outdoorspeakerstore.com/Garde...e_1_c_248.html
You can find these at most online speaker sites listed in the "Garden Speakers" category. Make sure you know the size of amp you will be using and the distance the speakers will be from the amp as this will determine the wire size needed for the installation. 14 gauge is a normal standard wire size for the outdoor projects we have installed over the years. Make sure that the wire you are using is considered "Direct Burial" since you will be installing outdoors. Knowing this, I think you will enjoy your installation for years.

Best Wishes,

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I have to jump in on this thread because I can see people here are doing the same thing I want to do: Put sound outside.

My patio is bluestone and rather large, so I dont want to do speakers under the eaves of the house pointing out into the yard if I can avoid it, since it means the speakers wont be near my primary seating. I'd prefer to use a couple of rock speakers to put sound in the backyard, and preferrably then I'd like to use wireless.

Do the wireless rock speakers make for tinny, bass-less sound? Do I need to add a subwoofer?

running speaker wire and MORE electrical would be a huge pain.....wireless speakers that can, if possible, be powered for a few hours on a battery would be ideal.....but not if they all sound horrible.

And by horrible I mean....sounding worse than buying a boombox and putting that outside.

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I was reading Electronic House and saw a few outdoor systems with James Loudspeakers.

Anyone have info on them?

There amps also work with 4ohm.


Thanks.

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Mike,

Wow - the James outdoor speakers are beautiful and creatively packaged - thanks for sharing that link (I'll buy them the day after Google buys my company )

Can you possibly recommend a outdoor, weatherproof, internally powered (no external amp) sub in the more moderate (up to $700.) price range ?

We are temporarily using an old KLH 100W indoor sub outdoor (see attached picture - it brings a whole new dimension to hanging out outside - everybody should have an outdoor sub !) but need to get something weather proof before the rains come (Oct.).

Other things:
- Listening habits: music (rock & jazz)
- Size: sitting area 20' from sub, big backyard
- Appearance: doesn't matter
- Power: 110 V GFI protected
- System: Speakercraft Outdoor (tweeter and mid), Denon 3805 amp
- Timeframe to must buy: two week

Thanks a million for any suggestion you have. Will check out AmaAudioDude's store link also.

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I was reading Electronic House and saw a few outdoor systems with James Loudspeakers.

Anyone have info on them?

There amps also work with 4ohm.


Thanks.

Mike






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while not outdoor speakers i think these would blow your crowed away. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTX_Jackhammer

only $5000 a piece.

and to the mods and admins don't censor the link its a Wikipedia link.
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