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interesting post DJ but I disagree

I own a 4910 JVC for my wife and daughter to use because its easier for them ,but when I watch most things I still use my XG 110 LC . I find the image much more "real"
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I own a 4910 JVC for my wife and daughter to use because its easier for them ,but when I watch most things I still use my XG 110 LC . I find the image much more "real"
That's actually the only thing I don't like about CRT. The image has a cell shaded Toy Story or Simpson's movie look. Not quite a an HDR image. It's especially more noticeable when paying tribute to the Grateful Dead and more so with Snoop Dog. Which doesnt happen with LCOS. The only bad part about your JVC is no CRT walk effect on fade to black and motion gives me an unsettling feeling. But mostly it's the fading bulb.
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Epson is supposedly showing off their 3LCD reflective (lcos variant, quartz substrate instead of silicon. ) at IFA which they will release next spring.

How do you get minty 8" tubes for less than a 7"? Toshiba long necks are nearly impossible to burn. The instead lose emission. That's why I chose the DWIN HD700 over the chance to get a G70 for the same price at the time.

If it had been a G70 under the same conditions, the tubes wouldn't rate even an 8 and might not even 7.

Blue is still minty, high 8, close to 9. Most like there's a drive issue. Probably a faulty pot on neckboard.
I talked about a used Barco.
I do not know the prizes where you live, but a a 1209 or a Marquee 9500 lc used can be found to a nice cheep price.
If you want convert to digital like you feel about zero black. Your pic should be a JVC X500/RS 49. You will like that I promise
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I own a 4910 JVC for my wife and daughter to use because its easier for them ,but when I watch most things I still use my XG 110 LC . I find the image much more "real"
Many say that that have CRT but do not say that when doing a side by side test. Hehe.

But I do not pick what you like to watch.
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That's actually the only thing I don't like about CRT. The image has a cell shaded Toy Story or Simpson's movie look. Not quite a an HDR image. It's especially more noticeable when paying tribute to the Grateful Dead and more so with Snoop Dog. Which doesnt happen with LCOS. The only bad part about your JVC is no CRT walk effect on fade to black and motion gives me an unsettling feeling. But mostly it's the fading bulb.
I agree what you say about HD image and after testing side by side on blueray material I have another feeling about motion in film.
A CRT have better motion resolution you see that on test patterns, but on 24 frames movie material looks very alike and if you take side by side test with a-b on your blueray player and switch images I find the image on a JVC or Sony to be better. If you use motion on the PJ and can accept some motion judder in fast fast moving images it's much better than a CRT. But I can only say this, after side by side test I have done together with many other. So I find this just wrong after what I have seen. But again we can like things differently, and that must be respected.
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I talked about a used Barco.
I do not know the prizes where you live, but a a 1209 or a Marquee 9500 lc used can be found to a nice cheep price.
If you want convert to digital like you feel about zero black. Your pic should be a JVC X500/RS 49. You will like that I promise
What's your definition of cheap? I could only find a 1209 for $1,750. That's not cheap considering the age and the components could die at any moment.

Where do you find one? Very few are on videogon. People see the original $30-$40 and are deluded to think they can get $5K+.

I saw a minty Sony 1292 a few years ago for $800 with streak free tubes and less than 1,000 hours.
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What's your definition of cheap? I could only find a 1209 for $1,750. That's not cheap considering the age and the components could die at any moment.

Where do you find one? Very few are on videogon. People see the original $30-$40 and are deluded to think they can get $5K+.

I saw a minty Sony 1292 a few years ago for $800 with streak free tubes and less than 1,000 hours.
For me 100-1500 dollar is cheap above that in my a pinion not the value for the money. I have the Sony VW1100 and the JVC RS57/X500. And most picture for the money is clearly the JVC x500.
But for me the picture on the VW1100 is better totally. And have owned many Crts but CRT stopped 110% for me when the JVC Hd 350 got in my cinema. And that's many years ago.
And in my cinema I can pick what I like and feel it's best just like all others on this forum does. I see what picture I prefer and the best way to do that is to do a side by side test. I have done that with all my PJ before I change.

And after what I feel and have seen. A good CRT picture is a Barco 909/Cine9 or the Marquee 9500 LC ultra, with modifications or not.
The Barco 9" is still way to overpriced but that's because there is only few on the marked for sale. I think in some years you can get them almost for free. you can get a better deal on a Barco 1209 today and the picture you get is close to the 909. And if you do not have to have one now, just wait and you will get one for a price that you like to pay for it.
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For me 100-1500 dollar is cheap above that in my a pinion not the value for the money. I have the Sony VW1100 and the JVC RS57/X500. And most picture for the money is clearly the JVC x500.
But for me the picture on the VW1100 is better totally. And have owned many Crts but CRT stopped 110% for me when the JVC Hd 350 got in my cinema. And that's many years ago.
And in my cinema I can pick what I like and feel it's best just like all others on this forum does. I see what picture I prefer and the best way to do that is to do a side by side test. I have done that with all my PJ before I change.

And after what I feel and have seen. A good CRT picture is a Barco 909/Cine9 or the Marquee 9500 LC ultra, with modifications or not.
The Barco 9" is still way to overpriced but that's because there is only few on the marked for sale. I think in some years you can get them almost for free. you can get a better deal on a Barco 1209 today and the picture you get is close to the 909. And if you do not have to have one now, just wait and you will get one for a price that you like to pay for it.
You think it's possible to find a low wear 1209s for $500-$600?
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You think it's possible to find a low wear 1209s for $500-$600?
Everything is possible, 808 are given for free here in Norway. Some try to get some money for them but almost no buyers. I was witness to a 1209 fully ok just dumped in the trash. Sad, but some companies can't sell them because of company rules.
Look at eBay do NOT buy now, just wait until the last day and place a bid. You might get lucky. I have seen 909 go for less than 1000 dollar from companies but that is sadly very rare.
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Many say that that have CRT but do not say that when doing a side by side test. Hehe.

But I do not pick what you like to watch.
I have tested side by side with both the XG and the JVC. the JVC does have a great picture and the 3d is a bonus BUT I feel the XG throws a much richer, more natural image.
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I have tested side by side with both the XG and the JVC. the JVC does have a great picture and the 3d is a bonus BUT I feel the XG throws a much richer, more natural image.
Im shore you have,,,Like i say people see things different. I see it CLEARLY the total opposite way, and know what I see.
I think that you have a total over saturated picture, just like they do with tv show off.
And it depends what you look for.
Then you stick with your CRT. I do not mind
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Im shore you have,,,Like i say people see things different. I see it CLEARLY the total opposite way, and know what I see.
I think that you have a total over saturated picture, just like they do with tv show off.
And it depends what you look for.
Then you stick with your CRT. I do not mind
As you say people see things differently, so to each their own preference. Your preference is ovicely more of a digital one. The JVC is a excellent projector. I mealy feel the XG throws a better picture. As for one or the other being oversaturated they are both fully calibrated with a Lumagen processor and Calman . I've been a audio/video tech for over half a century so I'm fairly familiar with what constitutes an amazing picture.
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As you say people see things differently, so to each their own preference. Your preference is ovicely more of a digital one. The JVC is a excellent projector. I mealy feel the XG throws a better picture. As for one or the other being oversaturated they are both fully calibrated with a Lumagen processor and Calman . I've been a audio/video tech for over half a century so I'm fairly familiar with what constitutes an amazing picture.
Good for you, good for me . Right we se different and thank god for that. Boring if there was only one PJ in the world right.

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As you say people see things differently, so to each their own preference. Your preference is ovicely more of a digital one. The JVC is a excellent projector. I mealy feel the XG throws a better picture. As for one or the other being oversaturated they are both fully calibrated with a Lumagen processor and Calman . I've been a audio/video tech for over half a century so I'm fairly familiar with what constitutes an amazing picture.
Question have you seen a Cine 9? Do you think that the XG is better or the same in your eyes?
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Deb,
You might want to check with Curt. I believe he has been throwing out a lot of 7" stuff.

Not sure where you are at, but there have been a lot of 9" pjs going for good prices. G90s and 909s are the only ones that still have some value.

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I owned a Sony 1251Q CRT projector up until a couple weeks ago. I bought a BenQ W1070 for $699. I paid $150 for the CRT projector in 2008, which I thought was a great deal. Now, you can't even give them away - no one wants them. I finally found someone willing to take it after two weeks. The black levels on the CRT projector were phenomenal, even on a less than stellar performing projector like the 1251. But, the tubes were getting soft and I wanted something much smaller and less heavy than the CRT so I bought the DLP projector.
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You might want to check with Curt. I believe he has been throwing out a lot of 7" stuff.

Not sure where you are at, but there have been a lot of 9" pjs going for good prices. G90s and 909s are the only ones that still have some value.
Southern California.

This is what I'm talking about. $5,000 is crazy. I'd pay about a tenth, $500, at most for a perfect condition 9+ tubes G70. Curt doesn't charge that even for a 909.

No description other than that lifted from Curt's site!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-VPH-G70...item4851929fce
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Southern California.

This is what I'm talking about. $5,000 is crazy. I'd pay about a tenth, $500, at most for a perfect condition 9+ tubes G70. Curt doesn't charge that even for a 909.

No description other than that lifted from Curt's site!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-VPH-G70...item4851929fce
5000 is not crazy if some one are willing to pay that for it, and difficult to get your hands on. And that sets the prize. But Isn't that's cheep for a 909.

A 909/Cine9 is a fantastic machine but prized way to high even if they were dam expensive many years ago. Compared to prizes on great new digitalis.
But if you are a enthusiast you pay it

I think almost all of the companies have thrown away CRT, so more and more rare to get a 909.
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5000 is not crazy if some one are willing to pay that for it, and difficult to get your hands on. And that sets the prize. But Isn't that's cheep for a 909.

A 909/Cine9 is a fantastic machine but prized way to high even if they were dam expensive many years ago. Compared to prizes on great new digitalis.
But if you are a enthusiast you pay it

I think almost all of the companies have thrown away CRT, so more and more rare to get a 909.
I think we crossed lines in translation.

That auction is $5,000 for a G70, click the link.

You think $5,000 for a G70 isn't crazy?

My point was Curt doesn't charge $5,000 for a G70 , so guys like that ebay dude are deluded and don't realize a 909 goes most likely for less. A G70 is no where the league of a 909.

The brand new msrp was $18,000 for a G70, but that was 17 years ago.

Curt is currently selling a G70 with all new tubes and guaranteed to work for $3,100. Even if you kept a G70 in the box and never broke the seal, it won't be guaranteed to work.

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I think we crossed lines in translation.

That auction is $5,000 for a G70, click the link.

You think $5,000 for a G70 isn't crazy?

My point was Curt doesn't charge $5,000 for a G70 , so guys like that ebay dude are deluded and don't realize a 909 goes most likely for less. A G70 is no where the league of a 909.

The brand new msrp was $18,000 for a G70, but that was 17 years ago.

Curt is currently selling a G70 with all new tubes and guaranteed to work for $3,100. Even if you kept a G70 in the box and never broke the seal, it won't be guaranteed to work.
I talked about 909.
5000 for a G70 is beyond logic.
Also to pay more than 1000-3000 for 909 is far from value for the money. But they cost because difficult to get.

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I talked about 909.
5000 for a G70 is beyond logic.
Also to pay more than 1000-3000 for 909 is far from value for the money. But they cost because difficult to get.
Here's something beyond hilarious, a $9,000 1292.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-VPH-129...item4851928be6
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What do you think about the price tag for a Sony VW 1100 ?

Imaging what it's worth in 2-3 years.

It's like with everything new.....

9 inch CRT
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Deb,
You have linked to two FH video auctions. He has had high prices on his NIB CRTs for years. Get over it.


Wow, you live in SoCal. I bet there have been dozens of 9" CRTs going for next to nothing over the last couple of years.

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You have linked to two FH video auctions. He has had high prices on his NIB CRTs for years. Get over it.


Wow, you live in SoCal. I bet there have been dozens of 9" CRTs going for next to nothing over the last couple of years.
Wish I had been in on them.

I'm willing to be like Sir Mixalot and will take your ex girlfriends (10 PG, 1292, G70, 1209s) while you(rappers') trade up for Cosmo cover girls.

If he's been doing those for years that makes it even funnier!
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What do you think about the price tag for a Sony VW 1100 ?

Imaging what it's worth in 2-3 years.

It's like with everything new.....
I do not care the price on my 1000 went up 8000 dollar when I got the upgrade. And I do not think I have it in 2 years.
A 909 on ebay yesterday was not sold for 4500 dollar.
The price is to high because you can get much more for the money for much less money.
A god price for a 909 would be 1000 dollar. I would not pay a cent more today. But that is me. You like what you like and that's it. I do not protect my vw1100 in any way, im shore that its gonna be the biggest loss of money I ever spent or maybe not. Depending if somethings get better for a lower price. And hope that thing get better. Not any use to protect crt time does that without you.
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Wish I had been in on them.

I'm willing to be like Sir Mixalot and will take your ex girlfriends (10 PG, 1292, G70, 1209s) while you(rappers') trade up for Cosmo cover girls.

If he's been doing those for years that makes it even funnier!
I already have two G90s and two G70s. I know of several forum members either here or on Curts in SoCal who have sold off nice pjs for good prices.

As for FH, I am not going to rehash it. Suffice it to say he isn't hurting for money.

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Well 1000$ would be a real bargain for a 909. If it's in nice condition i would say it's a no-brainer to buy it of the street immediately.

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A 3 page thread all because you guys are entertaining the DJ troll? Kinda funny really.
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A 3 page thread all because you guys are entertaining the DJ troll? Kinda funny really.
What am I trolling with Mr Curt? Please tell me here.
Do I have to be a CRT fan to post here?
Can't i answer a question if someone wonder something, or does it just have to be CRT friendly?
Like I say you pick what you want,and you work with what you want.
Call me Mr troller I do not care. I do not troll I just say what I think and see and try to help if someone wonders. Have been in the crt game for a long time and now i am in another game and that game is not your playground. But when someone tries to be Benny Hill they have to stand the joke back without crying.
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Well 1000$ would be a real bargain for a 909. If it's in nice condition i would say it's a no-brainer to buy it of the street immediately.
Yes you would not me. I mean it for ME not wort it. And also others.
My opinion only my opinion.
But again you pick what you want in your cinema. I do in mine.
To discuss what is the best depend what you see and what you like.
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