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Close would be a good word, though it's still different looking on the screen itself. But not bad for cheap Point and Shoot camera
If that is close to what you see on screen you have not set your brightness correct as you have so much black crush you loose all detail and this is not even a dark scene.

I actually guess it is not close to what you see on screen, but if it is you need to calibrate the basics your projector like brightness and contrast.
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Here we compare. Look what it says in the thread.
Use
http://postimg.org/ for showing your shots like they are, then I can download it full.
Or send it full image on mail, you have it.

We have your original photo here, so if someone want to see your original they can




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A casual viewer would think left SD right HD.
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A casual viewer would think left SD right HD.
Well, you're not a casual viewer, so I guess I can also make an assessment....I would say the one on the right looks flat and overly compressed, while the left one dough dimmer, has an natural HD look.


But anyway, I agree that my image is too dark. It was taking this morning and there's too much light in the room, so I'll fix that later this evening..

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We like what we like, have different opinions and preference so we let the pictures speak, and yes I think you need to retake some shots MP. But you see that yourselves. CRT have its unique charm, I think its best we let it be like that.


If we think logic, if you are used to CRT you don't know how HD shall look on it, because of the resolution problem caused by the lenses that only manages 50% MTF MAX then if you use the whole lens even in 720P the same. This you know. And normal on a 9" is about 20-30%MTF We talk 50-70% more MTF on digital Projectors today with higher Ansicontrast, high or higher ON/OFF contrast, and much brighter images. More correct colors, try saturation sweeps on your machine and send it up here.

@Per Jonny you calibrated a hole bunch of CRTs how was the result? Then up to HDTV D65. I remember my 808 managed well D65 with the colored cooler stuff. Red and green.


Not that a CRT cant manage the signal 1080P because it does fine also higher. But have big issues with the lenses, therefore you know the result. And pictures will never ever show your or mine projector, then how it is in on screen.


CRT is soft yes, and softens out the HD, but that is why you guys still love it, does it matter? . Artifacts is covered, grain covered, scan lines almost invisible if you don't do things correct, sharpness artifacts not visible and so on . On my CRT you could see scan lines in 1080P great 50 cm from screen. But I wanted my Barco as sharp as possible. some don't like it that sharp. "Also got smother in 72Hz"
Some like oversaturated colors, some like black crush. Some like the mom, and some like the grandma. Nothing is wrong!.


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Here we compare. Look what it says in the thread.
Use
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Or send it full image on mail, you have it.

We have your original photo here, so if someone want to see your original they can



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We have your original photo here, so if someone want to see your original they can
And if anyone want to see why I don't want you to touch my images, simply click on this and look closely at my image on the left... especially at her necklace and look at the ZAGGY lines that ARE NOT in my Original..

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And if anyone want to see why I don't want you to touch my images, simply click on this and look closely at my image on the left... especially at her necklace and look at the ZAGGY lines that ARE NOT in my Original..


That happens when you post small image "different picture size when zooming" , I know its not in you original photo, we ALL know CRT don't have pixels .
Its the zooming because of your small photo compared to a bigger photo.
Also to prove that I was right when I wrote this before, because some still don't understand this. Also with exposure time just some longer, things can burn out I the photo. objects burn out and color burn out. Not what you see on screen.
Also the picture of the jungle compartment. The CRT picture don't look that white I hope. That is because of exposure time on camera and settings.


But here we compare, so post some bigger shots. use Postimage then I can download your image full, and you wont complain anymore. Or get use to pixels on your CRT.

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Here ok, but cant zoom in at all. Then the pixels come back on your CRT MP
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Hopefully these will not end up further resized and added zaggies




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Hopefully these will not end up further resized and added zaggies

Hehe, this look more like how you see it I guess. And look fine.
Better than the others.
If you don't like added zaggies post bigger photos or stop.


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......If you don't like added zaggies post bigger photos or stop.....
No, you need to leave them alone, because I post them larger and you down-size them and that's what compromises them

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No, you need to leave them alone, because I post them larger and you down-size them and that's what compromises them
If you want your pictures to be left alone don't post them here, pick some other place to post.

Like I have said before Here we compare pictures.
Don't like it? You are free to leave any time you want. So far you have not added anything here, only to start discussion.
Last time I say this to you.
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Found a much better shot from a CRT also a Marquee MP mod. and the JVC X90
Also here a new photo from the x90


Picture 1 Marquee MP mod
Picture 2 JVC X90 without e-shift
Picture 3 Marquee MP mod his own.


Put like this to see differences.






picture share


This picture from this thread.





Compared with old picture of the x90.




image hosting over 5mb



image upload no compression



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Lol... you found shots from another modified Marquee, to compromise (down-rez) for your comparison project, but you don't want to use the one I posted yesterday.... hmmm.. I wonder why..


I'll continue to post in the other thread, while you continue to find lesser shots to post here.

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Lol... you found shots from another modified Marquee, to compromise (down-rez) for your comparison project, but you don't want to use the one I posted yesterday.... hmmm.. I wonder why..


I'll continue to post in the other thread, while you continue to find lesser shots to post here.
Look above,,,Yours is there.
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You destroyed my shot again... just right click on the image and look at the Image Info..

My original is: 1600X1200

The one you messed up is: 1,278px × 481..

Do you not understand what happens when you down-rez the vertical resolution by more than half?

It's one thing to want to do something like this, but at some point if you down understand what's going on technically, maybe your shouldn't be doing it. Especially if you're making someones else work worse than it's original state.

But even technically showing and proving that you have more than cut my vertical resolution in half, my shot still looks better. Though it has all the defects of being further dowe-rezed.


Do you understand what happens when you further down size an already resized image?

Maybe it would be fair to post the resolution with the shots. that way it will proved that you have not compromised a shot..

The X90 is not doing so well, Colors, sharpness and or detail..

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Here is my shot again. Just replace it in that same place where you have the down-rezzed shot



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One other thing I wanted to point out to you to notice in the shots. Look at the white in her teeth... are the teeth in both comparison shots white?



This one is free. After the hosting service resizes it, it should be just like the previous shot: 1600X1200


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Reopening this after some requests and rule suggestions from Kevin and DJ.

So, adhere to these please:

1. No Bickering.
2. Use an upload site that keeps Exif data intact to check no software processing being used. image.org for example.
3. Minimum size 2999x2000 res to make a comparison.
4. For comparing to see more side by side without a lot of black, remove top and bottom in picture. Because they will and have to be removed to get the pictures close for comparison.
5. The shots should be posted one on top of the other to avoid degrading them by either shrinking or scaling up. Both can break up the structure of the image after it' initial resizing.

Walking the fine line between jaw-dropping and a plain ol' yawn.

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Here a comparison
Also the original pictures are here.


CRT



Digital



Removed the comparison zoomed inn, that can be done with the original files without my help.














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Additional rule added. Not sure if the suggesting member wants credit, so I left that off.

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Walking the fine line between jaw-dropping and a plain ol' yawn.
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Here a comparison
Also the original pictures are here. 2 CRTs because so different
CRT1





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Click on the picture to get full size in 2 different windows, do side by side.

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All shots from Planet Earth Blu Ray (disk 3) - Shot resolution: 3648X2736 hosted to: 1600X1200 -- do only top and bottom and keep at 1600X1200 (copy only).





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Before posting read the new rules.


1. No Bickering.
2. Use an upload site that keeps Exif data intact to check no software processing being used. image.org for example.
3. Minimum size 2999x2000 res to make a comparison.
4. For comparing to see more side by side without a lot of black, remove top and bottom in picture. Because they will and have to be removed to get the pictures close for comparison.
5. The shots should be posted one on top of the other to avoid degrading them by either shrinking or scaling up. Both can break up the structure of the image after it' initial resizing.
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Here some good CRT vs digital shots
Picture 1 CRT Moded

Picture 2 Digital

Picture 3 CRT

Picture 4 Digital


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Why are some of the sides and top of the CRT pictures gone?

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Planet Earth Blu Ray (disk 3) - Shot resolution: 3648X2736 hosted to: 1600X1200 -- do only top and bottom and keep at 1600X1200 (copy only).



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^^Dj Dee has already reminded you of the RULES?
Images hosted @=>2999x2000 with Exif Data intact with boarders removed if a comparison is required (if Blu-Ray owned).


I have no objections just posting a few images in here if no comparisons required.
But it`s Dj Dee`s thread so he has the final say.
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^^Dj Dee has already reminded you of the RULES?
Images hosted @=>2999x2000 with Exif Data intact with boarders removed if a comparison is required (if Blu-Ray owned).


I have no objections just posting a few images in here if no comparisons required.
But it`s Dj Dee`s thread so he has the final say.
Here ya go, check out the resolution (http://exifdata.com/images/1460470913.75_DSCF2473.jpg)

Now, if I understand the rules the requirement is to use Files @ the minimum of 2999X2000 resolution. My shot is showing a file size of 3648X2736. So I'm above the minimum.

Also, it means that the rules are saying that you would have to use RAW files and not already resized files. That's the way the rules read to me, and it makes perfect sense because it deals with the original file in it's un-touched state.

Exif.com should be used to verify the resolution and to see if any processing is being done..

Best Rules possible for a screenshot thread..

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