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Anyone moving on from CRT in 2017? Anyone still interested in the hobby?

I figured with a new year - some of you - or your wife's - will move on from the old CRT projector.
I had a NEC XG-75 years ago and the thing was an awesome beast. A series of circumstances happened and I ended up with a digital... a few years later... another digital.

At this very moment, there are a handful of people out there thinking "I need to move on from this thing. It's loud/hot/unsightly/___". There are also a handful of people out there thinking "I never did experience a 9" CRT, I'd buy one cheap if I found it" or "If someone would just sell me a 7" or 8" working CRT for like $100, man that would be worth it to try out projection."

Let's have a meeting of the minds. Identify yourself where you stand and we can all connect with each other.

Me personally? I have a great digital setup, and no real reason to change it. If someone was really motivated to get rid of their 9" CRT I'd consider buying it to toy with.

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Well, in the last 4 months I've sold 12 9" sets. Three Barco 909/Runco DTV 1200s in the last 2 weeks alone. So yeah, it's dead to most people, heck, almost everyone, but all three people that bought the BArcos hate that digital look.. as do I.

Ironically, I went to use my digital that's mounted between my two stacked BArco 909s the other day, and it had died while in standby mode for the last year. I wanted to use it to align the BArcos for perfect geometry, and it had died. This weekend I put up another digital, and do a full alignment. I use my stack an average of 2 hours a night, while the digital failed. Definitely ironic.

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I unloaded all of my CRTs last month. My direct view is going soon.

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I think it's really interesting how the 9" sets have maintained their price. 2-3 years ago people were selling Sony G70's for $500-750. Now they are basically free. Meanwhile, a G90 is still $2,000+
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I sold my two G90s for considerably less than that. After the political winds changed, I wanted to become more mobile so I let them go for probably less than I could have gotten on ebay. It is what it is.

I still like the image of a CRT and probably would have kept the G90s, but I don't think I am giving up a lot with a JVC. It should also be noted that as good as CRT is for on/off cr it can't touch an OLED.

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Having just had a professional calibration and implementing 1080/72 on my G90 I've no desire to move back to digital anytime soon. If circumstances change I may reconsider but I'm very satisfied with the image, warts and all.
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If the G90's were working i personally would never sell them.
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I will buy a CRT soon...

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I figured with a new year - some of you - or your wife's - will move on from the old CRT projector.
I had a NEC XG-75 years ago and the thing was an awesome beast. A series of circumstances happened and I ended up with a digital... a few years later... another digital.

At this very moment, there are a handful of people out there thinking "I need to move on from this thing. It's loud/hot/unsightly/___". There are also a handful of people out there thinking "I never did experience a 9" CRT, I'd buy one cheap if I found it" or "If someone would just sell me a 7" or 8" working CRT for like $100, man that would be worth it to try out projection."

Let's have a meeting of the minds. Identify yourself where you stand and we can all connect with each other.

Me personally? I have a great digital setup, and no real reason to change it. If someone was really motivated to get rid of their 9" CRT I'd consider buying it to toy with.

Hi, my name is Kevin and I'm new to the forum.
I will soon buy a used CRT projector for 40 Euros from a media company in germany...
The projector itself was reduced in price on ebay a couple of times an dnow costs only 40 bucks (additional 60 for shipping though ).
The projector is a RM-V4000VE used for multimed walls and that sort of stuff... It sais to have 600 lines max but i certainly will squeeze more out of it... And if not, still good enough for me.

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Interesting thread, and timely.


I rose through the ranks in the CRT army; starting with a 7" Electrohome ECP3100. Then an ECP4500. Then a Marquee 8500. Finally, a Marquee 9500LC. After which I added all the bells and whistles; MP mods, Tim's power supply mods, brand new tubes, etc.


Then I got divorced, took down the theater, moved, and the projector has been idle for 10 years or so, wrapped up in the garage. I just now finally got a room in the new house that, although pretty small, I can call a theater and have the opportunity to put what I want in there for a display device. My plan was to always put up the 9500LC and jump in but I don't think it's going to happen this time.


One reason is the (new) wife, and, my mom that now lives with us. CRTs take a little bit of fussing around with and I don't want them to have to worry about it (or mess up my baby). Another reason is pure WAF; she doesn't like it. Third is that for a long time it was my hobby and I spent a lot of time at it. I enjoyed it for sure, but now I have other hobbies and don't have the time to go back.


So to answer the OP, I am motivated to part with my 9"er and go digital.


What's the digital projector of choice these days?


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It depends on your budget. The JVC RS400, RS500, RS420 or RS520 would more than satisfy you depending on your budget.
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Thanks Ericglo, I did a little reading and it would seem that both Sony's SXRD and JVC's D-ILA are both based on LCoS technology. I'm assuming then that LCoS is better than DLP or LCD? (I worry about the motion blur with DLP).


A quick check of those JVC models for price puts them at the top of the range but doable I'll figure out what the model differences are (I assume they are all 1920x1080p and the difference is lumen output and maybe contrast ratio?)


It's a small room that I'll be outfitting - 15' x 11'. However, it's big enough that even a 75" TV isn't quite going to cut it based on where I want the seating. I could live with a 75" TV, but, based on cost, I'd be getting an LCD TV. For direct view, I like plasma (I have two) but unfortunately that technology is gone (or at least nobody is building them any more). OLED in the larger screen sizes is out of the question. So I'm left with wanting a good quality, larger screen at a reasonable cost which puts me into projector-land.


Thanks for giving me the starting point to look into this stuff.


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email or call Mike Garrett. They have some good prices on the JVCs right now. If you can swing it, then I would go for the 500 or 520.

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Put simply, I have more than one CRT projector and also an RS45. I have no motivation at all to switch over entirely to digital,
there is no WAF in my life, I have the room to store what is not currently hung, and I enjoy working on CRT projectors as a hobbby of its own.
Plus I have "adequate" spares. Probably for life.

The CRT image remains, to me, a bit more involving than what I've seen yet out of any digital but I will say that the difference becomes less and less with every new generation of digitals. In truth I find the RS45's picture to be quite acceptable with no real reservations. But I still think that the CRT image has something to it which is more compelling. That's a personal evaluation, I do not represent it as a fact or demand that you see it the same way.

I expect to stick with CRT for much the same reason that I like reel to reel tapes and vinyl records and still use both. CD may be technically superior but sometimes there's more to it than just being technically superior.
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Today a CRT is for the enthusiasts only. And yes a cool hobby .
And have to say that you are easy to read CMJ, then your intention on every forum. Good luck

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And have to say that you are easy to read CMJ, then your intention on every forum. Good luck
Well that is YOUR opinion

What is a home theater without good sound??
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Well that is YOUR opinion


What do you think its 2017 not the 1996

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+1, that is indeed simply an opinion. I expect it's an opinion shared by most people.

Digital has many advantages and yes it is 2017, so that does impact on many.

But for my limited width space, I am not about to kid myself that a digital is the ultimate projector.
Something like a mint Barco 909 at $2500 is.

But your enthusiast comment really resonates with me. The really hard core guys are seldom using any
mainstream gear these days.
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What do you think its 2017 not the 1996
2017 and it is still your opinion

What is a home theater without good sound??
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2017 and it is still your opinion

Yes its my opinion in 2017. Did you not understand that?

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+1, that is indeed simply an opinion. I expect it's an opinion shared by most people.

Digital has many advantages and yes it is 2017, so that does impact on many.

But for my limited width space, I am not about to kid myself that a digital is the ultimate projector.
Something like a mint Barco 909 at $2500 is.

But your enthusiast comment really resonates with me. The really hard core guys are seldom using any
mainstream gear these days.
Indeed this is simply an opinion to, yours.

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Yes its my opinion in 2017. Did you not understand that?
That was exactly what I said. This is your opinion. And in 2017 of course.
Lol.............

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That was exactly what I said. This is your opinion. And in 2017 of course.
Lol.............
Nice then we are on the same page. Now back to topic.


I will say people are moving on from CRT in 2017.

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Indeed this is simply an opinion to, yours.
Actually that isn't an opinion, it is a fact.
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Actually that isn't an opinion, it is a fact.


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I think it's really interesting how the 9" sets have maintained their price. 2-3 years ago people were selling Sony G70's for $500-750. Now they are basically free. Meanwhile, a G90 is still $2,000+


Today 500 dollars for perfect condition Cine9/G90/909 then also the latest models, is a fair price today.
And these kind of CRTs are not for todays big home theatres.. Just ask Joe Kane he said around 84 inch on 9" and I have to agree. Better to buy a O-led


Just here on E-Bay a 909 made in 2007 asks for $1,750.00 this text is now written in the ad He will never get this ever ?
And this is in one of the most populated areas in the western world..
We are down to our bottom line price.
The is no longer a make best offer offer.


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If you mean nerd as having been involved in a dual 9" crt blending system, and driving 6 hours to see a dual G90 stack, on a 12' wide
punched AT screen looks like, then I guess that is certainly is a fair statement.

If one can find a couple of 909's at $500 then why not a stack, and light up a 12' wide screen?

And if you can point me to a local late model 909 at $500, I'll buy it.

I know exactly what Joe Kane's opinions are, as I've actually taken in several of his seminars. Joe also isn't a fan of
AT screens either. And I don't exactly buy into Joe's Koolaid that a 9" crt is limited to a 84" screen.
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"I never did experience a 9" CRT, I'd buy one cheap if I found it" or "If someone would just sell me a 7" or 8" working CRT for like $100, man that would be worth it to try out projection."

Let's have a meeting of the minds. Identify yourself where you stand and we can all connect with each other.
At one time I considered upgrading to a 9 inch CRT, not any more. I'll just enjoy my CRT for as long as it will hold out. Bought it used 14 years ago and its still going strong. So it might be a while before I switch to digital. I'm just not one to clamor for the next new shinny thing.

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If you mean nerd as having been involved in a dual 9" crt blending system, and driving 6 hours to see a dual G90 stack, on a 12' wide
punched AT screen looks like, then I guess that is certainly is a fair statement.

If one can find a couple of 909's at $500 then why not a stack, and light up a 12' wide screen?

And if you can point me to a local late model 909 at $500, I'll buy it.

I know exactly what Joe Kane's opinions are, as I've actually taken in several of his seminars. Joe also isn't a fan of
AT screens either. And I don't exactly buy into Joe's Koolaid that a 9" crt is limited to a 84" screen.


Within the last 2 years for me a G90 perfect condition about 500-600 dollar. 909 perfect concision 250 dollar.
But the good 9" don't grow on trees. And I know people that buy for much more than that.
Stupid to pay more my opinion, you have to give it away for free in some years. But for shore if some pay more that is totally up to them, not my money.


About Joe's statement, after watching many CRTs. I will personally say 90-100" MAX. This because of resolution, performance, punch and more.
But a stack must be fun if you have the time and room for it.

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I'd be more concerned with the video chain of those setups, then resolution.

Punch isn't an issue if you go with a very dark, light controlled room. I have yet to see any digital projector
do total justice to the lighting ball scene in Terminator. Nothing even remotely close to along the lines of Art's dual
G90 stack did.

Why do you have to give away a projector for free, in the future? You could simply run it and get your value out of it.


And a digital projector is going to have a steep depreciation curve...


Of course people pay more for a projector gone through by someone like Curt Palme. There is value in that.
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Put simply, I have more than one CRT projector and also an RS45. I have no motivation at all to switch over entirely to digital,
there is no WAF in my life, I have the room to store what is not currently hung, and I enjoy working on CRT projectors as a hobbby of its own.
Plus I have "adequate" spares. Probably for life.
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About Joe's statement, after watching many CRTs. I will personally say 90-100" MAX. This because of resolution, performance, punch and more.
But a stack must be fun if you have the time and room for it.
You could do a Torus screen and go bigger. My biggest regret was not doing a high gain Torus screen with my G90. I calculated I would get somewhere around 20 ft/lmbs on a 120" wide scope screen.

Also size is all about how few ft/lmbs you can tolerate. There have been a lot of people that have been satisfied with single digit ft/lmbs. I am not one of them.

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I'd be more concerned with the video chain of those setups, then resolution.

Punch isn't an issue if you go with a very dark, light controlled room. I have yet to see any digital projector
do total justice to the lighting ball scene in Terminator. Nothing even remotely close to along the lines of Art's dual
G90 stack did.

Why do you have to give away a projector for free, in the future? You could simply run it and get your value out of it.


And a digital projector is going to have a steep depreciation curve...


Of course people pay more for a projector gone through by someone like Curt Palme. There is value in that.
You might want to ask Art what he thinks these days. He is running a Sony 5000 and seems to want more lumens.

While digitals have a depreciation curve, so did CRTs. I paid around $1300 for my Marantz two years ago with extra bulb. I got my JVC for a good price as well. AVscience is blowing out some new JVCs right now and to me it is amazing what you can get for a good price these days.

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