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Yeah, but they're a lot of fun!

We got off topic on a couple of other threads, so I though I'd merge them into this one for screenshots of fools like me going a bit beyond the typical 76"-96" screens.

I like to stand in the picture to help depict the scale of my 12'x8' screen (14' diagonal).

However, millsy did me one better (4m and now 5m wide!), so I'll post his shot first...

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This image was taken while I was trialling my 1292 running a 4m wide image (note, the measurement is not diagonal, I couldnt measure that as the top of the image is beyond my reach, and I hate pythagoras) .

The 1292 is now permanently fixed, the lights removed, and the image now 5m wide.
Here's the Aussie's 1292:
http://members.aol.com/marcorsyscom/millsy650.jpg

Wow!

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And here are a few of mine. (Marquee 8000, 172" diag, brightness & contrast at 40-40)

NFL games in HD from my FusionHDTV-II card...

1080i:
http://members.aol.com/marcorsyscom/hd-nfl1.jpg

720p:
http://members.aol.com/marcorsyscom/hd-nfl2.jpg

720p:
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Canon S45. 1 sec exposure on tripod. Auto-everything. No retouching. Only resized to 600 pixels.

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Clarence,
Little outa convergence there fella (first post). Got pincusion problems all the way 'round, green poking out on the upper right corner, blue on bottom left and a little bit excessive blue halo around object edges (focus) - I know, I'm picky. Other than that, I love it - go for the bigin' dude... :D

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Holy crap!

Clarence's second and third shots really drives it home for me. Life-sized sports games. Now I know why I was put on Earth :D
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Little outa convergence there fella (first post). Got pincusion problems all the way 'round, green poking out on the upper right corner, blue on bottom left and a little bit excessive blue halo around object edges (focus) - I know, I'm picky. Other than that, I love it - go for the bigin' dude... :D
I know, remember this was a very quick setup shot, to trial how it would look. Basically dragged the machine back, quicky tube alignment, quicky mechanical focus, and a 5min convergence job (didnt even bother with the corners). Just to get an idea how much brightness I would lose, or how hard I had to drive the tubes.
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Oops. Looks like the experts say we are only supposed to try 72"-96"...

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there's no accounting for people's taste. if that guy thinks that looks good, more power to him. screen shots are very misleading, however.

there are people who make pj's look good for a living.... u may be interested/surprised at their opinions (since we're trading links and all :D ):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=232996

Hi nO0B-

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u may be interested/surprised at their opinions
I didn't need confirmation from experts to know that my screen is too large to be tasteful,
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Some units would be able to look quite acceptable on screens as large as 96" wide"
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I personally, would not put a 7" or 8" CRT on a screen bigger than 72" wide
but now I feel like a rebel :)
It still makes me grin to watch it. But I love driving my Jeep through mud puddles too!

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haha, those screen shots are awsome!
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Clarence, Can I have the specs of your screen?
I thought Marquee 8000, 172" diag, brightness & contrast at 40-40 would produce much dimmer result than your screenshot. So I'm interested to know more about your magic screen. :)
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marcorsyscom / Clarence,

What Brand screen do you have?

How much Gain is the screen?
Cause the pictures look Awsome

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Whoaaa! Great size on those screens :-D
I?d like to have one that big too but unfortunately my walls in my living room are just too small :-( ;-)
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Can I have the specs of your screen
2 sheets of 4x12 drywall/sheetrock from Lowes. Cost ~$7, I think.

Partial gallon of Sherwin Williams Ultra White Matte Ceiling paint that my neighbor had on a basement shelf.

I'm moving in a few months, so I just wanted something quick and temporary. But it works very well. I have a can of Kilz in the garage that I've been meaning to try because people have reported good results.

In the new house I plan on sticking with the 12x8 screen, but I'll probably try Goo.

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I thought brightness & contrast at 40-40 would produce much dimmer result
So did I! For the first few weeks, I ran at 50/50, but then I found out the reset default is 30. Even at 40 I can watch it while surfing with 5 of the 6 basement lights on... I unscrew the lightbulb right in front of the screen. Of course we turn out all of the lights when we watch a movie.

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Those screens are really small! That's the problem with CRT -- you have to settle for tiny screens.

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Those screens are really small!
Hi Mike-

I'll be impressed (only because I'm tasteless) if you run a 1031 at 10'+!

Or do you have a secret LCD/DLP in a closet for drive-in night?

Surely some of you d!%!#@! guys with all those lumens run idiotic mega-screens like these?

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Hi Mike-

I'll be impressed (only because I'm tasteless) if you run a 1031 at 10'+!

Or do you have a secret LCD/DLP in a closet for drive-in night?

Surely some of you d!%!#@! guys with all those lumens run idiotic mega-screens like these?

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hey now..

idiotic mega-screen?? :confused:

what is wrong with Big. Bigger isn't better???

Do NOT let the magic smoke out because it is impossible to put the magic smoke back in!!!!
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That was a self-directed dig... I'm admittedly not a videophile and I get the impression that those with more discerning taste are offended that I am potentially sacrificing PQ for the sake of an image 4x larger than the socially accepted norm.

And worse, I continue to enjoy my mega-screen even after I've been notified of the accepted screen size.

I'm just surprised that there aren't more people out there who are either running 10'+ or at least chime in to say "I tried it, but I went down to 96" and really prefer the smaller size because of the better PQ and brightness"

I don't claim "bigger is better", I just claim "bigger is bigger and a lot of fun (for me)"

So it was just a tongue-in-cheek comment. Hope I didn't really offend anyone running a large screen like mine.

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I'll chime in. I'm running a 10' wide 2.35:1 aspect screen (currently just blackout cloth) and it looks AMAZING with my 10PG. Contrast / brightness at 60 / 50.

Scope RULES. :D
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Hi Mike-

I'll be impressed (only because I'm tasteless) if you run a 1031 at 10'+!

Or do you have a secret LCD/DLP in a closet for drive-in night?

...

-Clarence
Clarence,

I have a Fujinon Sansui Flux Capacitor Photon Dylithium projector. I run a quarter mile wide screen. I just haven't updated my pix yet.

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Mike-

How much is your electric bill for an average movie? Seems to me like the 1.21 gigawatts over the span of a few hours would be quite expensive!

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I have a Fujinon Sansui Flux Capacitor Photon Dylithium projector.
Yeah, I saw one of those on fleabay, but it's explicitly against our HOA rules.

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I run a quarter mile wide screen.
Proper seating distance would be Green Bay?
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How much is your electric bill for an average movie? Seems to me like the 1.21 gigawatts over the span of a few hours would be quite expensive!
He can only power it during lightning storms, then it's free.

OT: How many watts does a Marquee 8000 use? Is it cheaper for me to watch my Marquee than it is to just have the 6 basement lights on?

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It actually runs on plutonium. I was getting it mail-order from Lybia, but I hear that they're closing shop.

http://www.mikesshorts.com/pj.jpg

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The nice things about those is you don't have to ceiling-mount or floor-mount; it can just hover.

Hey, my OT thread is going OT.

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Keith, way to go! I am running a 10'wide 2.35 screen as well and love it. How do you have it configured? constant heigh, area?

Clarence, good point. I haven't seen ANYONE say they tried big and couldn't handle the HORRIBLE picture and had to go smaller.
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See, it's posts like these that make me think a CRT may be in my future after all... I'd give up a little PQ any day to have 4X the screen!

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4X the screen!
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Have all of you big screeners tested your equipment with a more human size screen ?(80-92")
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Clarence, good point. I haven't seen ANYONE say they tried big and couldn't handle the HORRIBLE picture and had to go smaller.
Sorry to have to break your trend, but I went small on two of my projectors.

To clarify one thing though- I don't think CRT projectors are capable of "horrible" pictures. :) Just poor pictures. Horrible is reserved for the d*gital folks. ;)

But yeah, I have my Zenith set up for a 73" diagonal (4:3) at school, and set my Sony 1042Q up for a 65" diagonal (16:9) while I'm fixing the Ampro here at home. Video grade projectors definitely shine on small screen sizes. :)

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Have all of you big screeners tested your equipment with a more human size screen ?(80-92")
Fair question...
Not with my Marquee. But I remounted my ECP3101 a few weeks ago and was impressed with it's brightness and color. It was closer to my screen, so it was "only" about 8' wide.

I don't question the fact that a smaller area yields a better picture.

But we have a 54" RPTV "big screen" upstairs. So 80" wasn't revolutionary enough to generate the type of excitement that my family, friends, and I have received everytime we watch our "theater" (I'm one of those cheesy idiots that have 14 theater seats [3 rows: 5,4,5] in front of the screen). No offense to others with theater seats.

But I hereby promise to try 96" with the Marquee before re-mounting it in our new house in a few months.

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In all seriousness, I run my 1031Q at 72" wide on a matte-white screen and I have a 1030Q setup for about 90" wide on drywall. Granted, the 90" wide setup doesn't have the punch of the 72" wide setup, but it's by no means dim in complete darkness -- the way you should be seriously watching movies anyway.

If you forget about my entry-level CRT projectors and consider a 1000+ peak lumen CRT projector, a CRT projector stack, or a setup with a curved, high-gain screen, the argument of having to settle for small screens with CRTs in a home theater environment is weakened even more.

Let's also not forget that perceived size is a function of BOTH image size AND viewing distance. With CRT, sitting close is not a problem, at least until you can see your shadow on the screen. :)

In my blacked-out room, in the dark, sitting at 2/3 throw distance, my 72" screen, driven by a 500 lumen, ancient Sony 1031Q which rolled off the assembly line in 1990, makes for a pretty thrilling movie experience in 2004. And with my new MP-1, it's going to be even better! WAHOO! Mike Parker is "da man!" :D

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It actually runs on plutonium. I was getting it mail-order from Lybia, but I hear that they're closing shop.

http://www.mikesshorts.com/pj.jpg
Love that PJ - could I set up a dealership, Mikey? :D

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Don't the 1030 and 1042 have significant 480i scan line limitations at larger sizes?

I'm not sure it's a fair extrapolation to assess what I'm enjoying at 1080i from a Marquee.

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