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post #181 of 588 Old 02-15-2004, 07:00 PM
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so blue is a little off versus the xg, green the same, and red is perfect, better than the xg
Maybe tube wear has something to do with this?

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So see. If Steve's dog had accidentally eaten his PC, and instead they had to feed the G70 with Darin's PC, it would have been just the opposite. They would be re-calibrating the G70.
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WanMan, The HTPC was setup for the CRT.
The Momitsu was setup for the Digital.
I really don't see why they can't face off.
I know that if I was to use someone else's HTPC for my projector I would have to change the settings to suit my PJ, not theirs. That takes a fair amount of tweaking and viewing time. IMHO
EDIT: There's also the different screen and room to account for.
I know what was sources each projector were originally calibrated for. I also know that time is required, but it was harped on about the lack of PnP after an hour and the 11K wasn't ready yet. I am more than willing to give Darin & Co. the time needed to accommodate the HTPC. I also do not think there is a real problem with the 11K using the Momitsu v880, too.

Chris, there isn't a way to use the DVHS with teve's G70?
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To be a fair test the G70 needed to be tested to be sure it was right as well. It seems now that was on the agenda all along.

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I agree WanMan. The Z12 should use whatever allows it to be at it's best. This is not a RGB/DVI shoot out.

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But, wanman (and Phil), everybody complained in the first blog BECAUSE Darin was using the DVI DVD player. Because it couldn't also be used with the CRT.
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It's a "Digital" projector, not analog. :)
Give it what it was meant to use, DVI!

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Robert I don't see the problem. That's how you would use a Z12 in a normal HT environment. That's a true representation of it's normal performance.

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Robert I don't see the problem. That's how you would use a Z12 in a normal HT environment. That's a true representation of it's performance.
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Frankly, I don't either. But I repeat the reason Darin is not using it now is because he took so much flak for not using the same type source for both in the first blog. People said the old Faroudja wasn't up to it. And it was unfair to pit that against the DVI player. So using an HTPC with both was the compromise.
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I'll composite together the CIE diagrams for the Sharp and G70 later. We got all the measurements. I think the primaries are close enough that in terms of gamut the NEC XGLC, Sony G70 and Sharp XVZ-12000 are pretty much a draw.

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so is it over, who won? It can't really be a draw can it. Last time everyone at the shootout seemed to think the Sharp won.
Robert to say that "everyone complained" last time about sending DVI to the Sharp is a little exageration, don't you think. The vast majority didn't care what was fed to the DLP, we just wanted a better signal the CRT and today we got it. It's hard to tell from the thread so far but the better source to the G70 seems to have made a positive difference for the CRT right? Somebody please take a vote, If you had watch all 3 Lord of the Rings movies back to back which machine would you choose? :)

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Well I own a G70 and have no plans on switching any time soon (wouldn't have purchased 2 new tubes for it if I was). But being a CRT owner doesn't make me want to weight the test in favor of CRT. I'd like to know how the Z12 performs at it's best.

Frankly, tonight's test couldn't have made me any happier. My G70 should last me at least 5 or 6 years. When it's time for a new pj, I now (for the first time) feel confident that there will be superior digital pjs available, and at a very reasonable price.

I'm currently a very happy CRT owner, but I will have absolutely no problem pulling a Bob Wood in the future and jumping ship to digital.

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I'm now leadiing the crew through the scenes in Bring it On which are difficult to render. We're look at the G70. Yes, red on Steve's G70 are convincingly red. The scene wherein the station wagon pulls up to pick up Missy is a tough black level test. On a machine with elevated black level a filmy fog is seen as the station wagon parks. Also, the view of the characters talking as they drive looks great on the G70. Night time football cheer sequence shows great, velvety black levels behind the cheerleaders.

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I agree with you guys that one thing that's going to be key to these comparisons is that a DLP can accept DVI but a CRT cannot. It's not an insignificant thing.
It has a bearing on why my CRT doesn't get turned on but my DLP does.
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Going back to the Sharp via the HTPC. We debated HTPC vs the Momitsu because we have color dialed in for the Momitsu and not the HTPC, but people were interested in how the Sharp fared with DVI.

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Robert: It's hard to tell from the thread so far but the better source to the G70 seems to have made a positive difference for the CRT right?
Agreed.
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But, wanman (and Phil), everybody complained in the first blog BECAUSE Darin was using the DVI DVD player. Because it couldn't also be used with the CRT.
Bob, quit labeling that 'everyone' ...

I mentioned that it would be interesting to have both the projectors on hand been fed the same kind of signaling to rule out a problem from the source/processing/transport. While some may have stated their concern over Darin originally using just his momitsu v880 for DVI-D delivery, I can perfectly understand that if Darin doesn't have his HTPC then trying to configured a Steve-specific (G70) HTPC on the fly to a different projector may warrant a reconsideration for what source to use.

Homestly, I was more concerned over the source/processing/transport Guy originally used for his XG135LC than Darin's Happy Meal DVD player, hehe.
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It's a "Digital" projector, not analog. :)
Give it what it was meant to use, DVI!
Its being fed DVI-D from Steve's HTPC. Steve setup another resolution for the Sharp 11K, but they had a problem getting it to lock in at 85-Hz. instead it would only work at 60-Hz. I do not know if they resolved this issue.

Guy, glad to hear the primaries are all complete. Woohoo, let's get some commentary on the results of some viewing. Hope you guys weren't expecting to work in the morning.
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If you had watch all 3 Lord of the Rings movies back to back which machine would you choose?
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Careful what you ask for :), there's bunch's of lurking and mostly silent Digi guys hovering here.

This isn't a shoot-out anyway, it's an intelligent comparison with a few of our best having fun...
As for me, I've been pushing f5 since 2 O'clock and enjoying myself listening to all the funny stuff some have injected to rub the poor Sharp. :)
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Okay. It wasn't everybody. Maybe nobody. Hell I've forgotten. :)
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I think we've all learned one very important thing from all this.
Guy, dump the Faroudja. :D
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multi monitor setup problems again, frustrating trying to get the output to the sharp to be 60hz so it will display. I reiterate my "computers suck" post of earlier ;).
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newbie quote: "ohhh, it looks so pixelated"
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QQQ, can't you put a positive spin on this? We're going down in flames here. :D

HEAT's gonna be waking up any minute now.
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newbie quote: "ohhh, it looks so pixelated"
Who did he/she come with? I smell a CRT plant! ;)
EDIT: P.S. I can't see pixels on my NEC 240K from about 10 feet back (8 foot screen), what are you guys using? Binoculars!?
Or are you all walking right up to the screen?

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A good test scene is the opening chapter in Bourne Identity. Very deep shadows, but also some deep rich colors.
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I guess QQQ's left and gone back down to his showroom. I can see him now removing the DLP's and dragging the CRT's back in. Cussing all the while.
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One just needs to know where and what to look for. Heck, throw up any Disnet movie using the white on blue Disney logo and look around Tinkerbell. This was a very easy thing to see limitations.

Of course, we could always throw up a 1:1 resolution pattern and be done with it. :D
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A good test scene is the opening chapter in Bourne Identity. Very deep shadows, but also some deep rich colors.
Wait, QQQ. Don't take down those DLP's yet. There's still hope.

(I think anyway. Which projector are we looking at that has the deep shadows and deep colors. Lord, please tell me it's the DLP)
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EDIT: P.S. I can't see pixels on my NEC 240K from about 10 feet back (8 foot screen), what are you guys using? Binoculars!?
You might want to go to an eye doctor and get checked for cataracts...they're fixable - I think :)
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