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I keep seeing Marquee 8500
What's the best?
I'm gonna keep an eye out in the local classifieds
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I love my Marquee 8xxx, but it's not the "best". It uses 8" tubes. Typically, 9" projectors are considered the best.

I think you'll be looking for a VERY, VERY long time if you limit your search for the "BEST" CRT to your local classifieds! :)

Here's my standard good/better/best matrix:

PROJECTORS:
- GOOD: Electrohome ECP3000/3100/4000, Sony VPH-1031/1252/127x, Barco 800/801, Ampro ($500-$1500)
- BETTER: Electrohome Marquee 8000/8500, NEC PG or XG, Barco 808+, Sony 1292, Sony G70, Ampro 3600 ($1000-$5000)
- BEST: Sony G90, Marquee 9500LC ($5000-$15000+)

Input Sources
- NOT SO GOOD: composite VCR
- GOOD: s-video DVD from set top box (480i)
- BETTER: s-video doubled using cheap line doubler ($60-$120), DVD with HD DVI-I scaling ($199)
- BEST: HTPC, HD (720p or 1080i from cable box or $150-$400 HDTV PC card)
- BEYOND: $1000+ videophile components and scalers

Screen
- GOOD: existing wall, bright-white flat/matte paint
- BETTER: wall painted with DIY mix from Screens forum, ScreenGoo, or 4x8 sheet of parkland
- BEST: you can spend $200-$2000+ on commercial screens, see the Screens forum

Cables
- GOOD: S-video
- BETTER: VGA to 5BNC to hook up from HTPC's video card ($15-$150)
- BEST: you can spend lots on cables (if you want to)

Mounting
- GOOD: on a folding table in your basement
- BETTER: Coffee table hush box on your floor
- BEST: Ceiling mounted
- BEYOND: Ceiling mounted with hush box, external venting, finished and receded into the ceiling as much as possible with only the lenses peeking out; or rear projection from an equipment room with a elaborate stage and motorized curtains

HTPC
- GOOD: almost any PC (probably 1GHz+) and it's existing video card, and DVD drive ($29-$129) (total: free-$500)
- BETTER: 2GHz+ CPU, 256Mb+ RAM, ATI Radeon (or nvidia)
- BEST: 3GHz CPU (to play those HD WM9 movies), Radeon with Mike Parker Mods, HDTV card (I love my $159 FusionHDTV-II) for viewing and recording Over-the-Air HiDef TV (aka OTA, i.e. free broadcast).
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you are the bomb
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Which is better the Sony G90 or the Marquee 9500LC

What price should I purchase it for if I find under $5000?
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Sony Vidimagic.
Mike, that's just wrong.... LOL
Although...with a liquid coupled lense and a couple of tweaks....

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Originally posted by Kamel407
Which is better the Sony G90 or the Marquee 9500LC

You might as well ask: What tastes better? Apples or Oranges?

What price should I purchase it for if I find under $5000?

$5K is too cheap for either of these. Add about $8-10K and you have a more reasonable price IMHO.

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What price should I purchase it for if I find under $5000?
If you come across one for under $5000, you better pick it up in person.

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I'm keeping my eyes open for a $5000 Barco Cine 9 myself....

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>> What price should I purchase it for if I find under $5000?

As low as the seller is willing to sell it for. If you find G90's for <$5K, buy 2 for me :)

There is a lot more to shopping for CRTs than the digital projectors you're used to. The range of prices is widely variable (2x to 5x price ranges for the same model during the same week is common), the condition of the tubes and chassis, the intentional or non-intentional misleadings from the seller (Thurman is warning you that if a high-end projector deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is), and your configuration/setup of the projector (e.g, just because you buy a G90 and mount it to your ceiling doesn't mean that you're immediately going to be ready to outshoot a DLP).


>> What tastes better? Apples or Oranges?

Oranges. But if you get the right model apple in good condition, they're good too.
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Great, List Clarence.I think that portion should be stickied with some more CRT models added.This is going to my favorites folder :)

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I'd like to see other inputs for the Projector part....

PROJECTORS:

- NOT SO GOOD: (video grade units limited to 480i) Sony Vidimagic/VPH-722/1000/1020/1030/104x (<$300)

- GOOD: (5.5" - 7" tubes) Electrohome ECP3000/3100/4000, Sony VPH-1031/1252/127x, Barco 800/801, Ampro ($500-$1500)

- BETTER: (8" tubes) Electrohome Marquee 8000/8500, NEC PG-6000 (6PG), NEC PG-9000 (9PG) or XG75/85/110/135, Barco 808+, Sony 1292 (9"), Sony G70, Ampro 3600 ($1000-$5000)

- BEST: (9" tubes) Sony G90, Marquee 9500LC ($5000-$15000+)
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According to C R T C i n e m a, it's this projector, http://www.c r t c i n e m a.com/ref9.html (remove the spaces), based on an Electrohome 9500.
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Originally posted by marcorsyscom
I'd like to see other inputs for the Projector part....

PROJECTORS:

- NOT SO GOOD: (video grade units limited to 480i) Sony Vidimagic/VPH-722/1000/1020/1030/104x (<$300)

- GOOD: (5.5" - 7" tubes) Electrohome ECP3000/3100/4000, Sony VPH-1031/1252/127x, Barco 800/801, Ampro ($500-$1500)

- BETTER: (8" tubes) Electrohome Marquee 8000/8500, NEC PG-6000 (6PG), NEC PG-9000 (9PG) or XG75/85/110/135, Barco 808+, Sony 1292 (9"), Sony G70, Ampro 3600 ($1000-$5000)

- BEST: (9" tubes) Sony G90, Marquee 9500LC ($5000-$15000+)

So If I can find a Marquee 8xxx for $1000 or less or a Marquee 9xxx for $5000 or less then I am hafway there ( the other half being I find out all the used specs and send them to you for approval LOL )
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marco-
That's a great, consolidated list. Certainly will help me in building out my HT. Thanks!
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THE BEST PROJECTOR IN THE WORLD
THATS EASY . ( THE EBAY SUPER PROJECTOR)
USING A GENUINE 100 PERCENT PLASTIC 6X LENS
WITH A SCREEN SIZE UP TO 200 INCHES
NO TUBES OR LAMPS TO CHANGE
NEVER NEEDS TO BE CONVERGED
AND IF A PROBLEM EVER HAPPENS JUST GO TO
WALL MART AND BUY A NEW 13 INCH PROJECTION TUBE
TO REPLACE THE OLD ONE
AND YOUR READY TO GO FOR ANOTHER 10 YEARS

HOWEVER IF YOUR TO LAZY AND OR STUPID
LIKE I AM TO BUILD THIS ULTIMATE PROJECTION SYSTEM
YOU WILL JUST HAVE TO SETTLE FOR SECOND BEST AND
GO WITH ONE OF THE FOLLOWING PROJECTORS


BARCO CINE 9

SONY G90

SONY 1292

EHOME 9500LC

BARCO 1209

AMPRO 4600

NEC 10PG

XANATOS

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THE THREE EYED MONSTER IS KING
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does anyone on this forum actually own a Cine9? I never seen the ellusive beast.

Doesnt matter any ways I have my 6X lens! ahah envy me!!

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ENVY YOU I DO
BUT BEING TO LAZY TO BUILD A EBAY SUPER SYSTEM
MYSELF
I WANT A RUNCO DTV 1200 WITH IS THE SAME AS THE CINE 9
THREE TIMES I HAVE BEEN CLOSE
BUT THE DEAL FELL APART
THERE WAS A FORTH TIME HAMMERHEAD HAD ONE FOR SELL
AT A GOOD PRICE BUT SOME ONE ELSE BOUGHT IT BEFORE I COULD
I AM JUST GOING TO HAVE TO PUT THE MONEY ASIDE
AND WAIT FOR A DEAL AND STRIKE
IF I AM GOING TO GET ONE

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Whats your current CRT?

I'm currently looking for a Reference 8...their great and pretty cheap...A machine blessed by the gods....
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sony 1292 with a dvp 5000
the faroudja way to expensive for what it does
i would have been better off with a rock plus

you might as well go all the way and get a reference 9 you will never be happy if you dont

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Well I would but I cant afford it now,I'll be happy.. trut me..lol
I was happy with my Barco 600 and ECP4000 and even with an...l...l...LCD! yes I said it! lol My standards fluctuate from time to time, I'm happy with what I can afford.


well my Quadrupler just came here Via Fedex...I'm gonna go fix my Barco G801s now...wish me luck :)

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LUCK

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I would go with the Sony Vidimagic as well. It looks cute like a little digital PJ. (ABOUT THE SAME PICTURE QUALITY TOO...)

Some prefer to see life in the grey areas I prefer CRT!
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I split your "good" category into two by creating a new "reasonable" category. added a few PJ's as well.


PROJECTORS:

- NOT SO GOOD: (video grade units limited to 480i, ES focus) Sony Vidimagic/VPH-722/1000/1020/1030/104x, anything with analog convergence (<$300)

- REASONABLE: (5.5" - 7" tubes, data/graphics grade, ES focus) Electrohome ECP3000/3100/4000, Sony VPH-1031 ($500-$1000)

- GOOD: (7"-8" tubes, data/graphics grade, ES focus) Sony VPH-1252/127x, Barco 800/801, Ampro 2000 ($1000-$1500)

- BETTER: (8" tubes, data/graphics grade, EM focus) Electrohome Marquee 8000/8500, NEC PG-6000 (6PG), NEC PG-9000 (9PG) or XG75/85/110/135, Barco 808/808s/1208, Sony 1292 (9"), Sony G70, Ampro 3600 ($1500-$5000)

- BEST: (9" tubes, graphics grade, EM focus) Sony G90, Marquee 9500LC, Barco 1209 ($8000-$15000+)


There's still many missing, and a lot of it's IMHO!

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how about the VisiOn 0nE?


Oh yeah...how about Selecos..? are they crap? Ge imagers...410 (im thinkin about one...need opinions..lol)
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- BEST: (9" tubes, graphics grade, EM focus) Sony G90, Marquee 9500LC, Barco 1209 ($8000-$15000+)


There's still many missing, and a lot of it's IMHO!
- BEST ON A BUDGET: (9" tubes, graphics grade, EM focus) AmPro 4200, AmPro 4300, AmPro 4600

IMHO!
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>> Ge imagers...410 (im thinkin about one...need opinions..lol)

GE Imagers are same as NEC PGs (good)

Kal: I was tempted to add Barco 1209 earlier but I hear so little about it

EM focus is a good discriminator to separate good from better

I like the "REASONABLE" category because that captures the good $500-$750 starter units which will blow the socks off of a $1299 RPTV that you can buy at BB or CC.
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how about the VisiOn 0nE?
Vision one is simply a rebadged Marquee 9500LC (already on the list).

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Ohhhhh, jeez why cant companies make their own stuff! :( I thought Vidikron was a respectable company..lol
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OK, where would a 9" Ampro 4000 ES focus projectors be put on the list? Do the NEC pg's with ultra small 7" tubes really deserve to be where they are?

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