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There's a 1209s and a 1208s on ebay now (see item 5840196615 and 5840204627) that feature HDMI/DVI-HDCP boards that actually replace the port 3 board ...

Anyone know what they're using to do this? Did they stick a Moome universal board in a slot or something?

Moome doesn't make boards for Barco's (yet), so I was suprised to see this.

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There's a "Barco HDMI card" on a french AV site, but it looks like a daughter-board. I'll try to google it up again...

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gettin closer... it was at cinetson
http://www.cinetson.org/phpBB2/viewt...17d07366da2e1d

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I asked the seller about these a couple of days ago...no news yet so I have not posted......

One does look better installed than the other....

Maybe ask for for internal pictures....

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Get a load of the cable here:
http://www.cinetson.org/phpBB2/viewt...asc&&start=270

I think the module I'd seen has DVI in and Port 3 out.

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Yep, that's what it looks like:
http://www.cinetson.org/phpBB2/viewt...asc&&start=255

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I don't really want to bug the guy since I'm not interested in buying (and the need for HDMI is a good 6-12 months away anyway). Was more curiosity then anything else.

I know that Moome's working on a Barco unit, not to mention he has a universal (external) one as well...

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Yep... looks like it plugs into Port 3 and the COMMS 800 port. Clever, but probably not the cleanest signal path.
The pics I was referring to were the BG-DVI1 and BG-DVI2.

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Either way it's good to see that there's more the one solution in the works. By the time I'm interested in this (a good year or so away - after the HD-DVD/blueray dust settles), it should be fairly easy to pick on solution and go with it.

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The guy on ebay wants $600 for the parts with instructions with them or $950 if you send in your port 3 card and convergence tray.

I'm waiting to see what Moome comes up with.

Wish I knew how to read French.

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Here's a directory with some extra info:
http://static.nikita.cx/hthifi/JohnH...rojet_sil907b/
Including:
French user manual for the Barco 808 external module: http://static.nikita.cx/hthifi/JohnH...ice_BG-DVI.pdf
Schematics: http://static.nikita.cx/hthifi/JohnH..._converter.pdf
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Hi Kal,

I'm the designer of this BG-DVI module for Barco. This was made after the Sony (IFB-DVI version).

Just FYI, the schematic link you gave is the external prototype version made one year ago for testing purpose and was not produced since this design is not HDCP approved (external box).

The BG-DVI is powered through COMM.PORT 30V DC and the RGBHV output is feed to PORT3 with less than 20mm long analog paths. The module itself is hooked to the COMM and PORT3 plugs and screwed to them. Then the module become as a part of the projector. The french language manual shows some pics of the module installation on a 808.

It's size is very small and analog signal quality is very good (1080P). The main chip used is the same chip as moome's cards (HDCP, 10 bits VDACs and 165MHz video BW).

I've build more than 40 BG-DVI modules (including cabinet, all by hands :eek: ) for french people that own Barco 1208/800/801/808 Pjs. They love this tiny toy :)

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John,

So is the price quoted above ($600) the going rate for this unit?
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So is the price quoted above ($600) the going rate for this unit?
Surely not !

I sold these BG-DVI modules for 200 Euros including shippment fee :o

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Surely not !

I sold these BG-DVI modules for 200 Euros including shippment fee :o
I may have to undo my Port 3 mods and give this a whirl... Care to quote us prices inclusive of shipping to the US?

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Hi jtnfoley,

The price was including shipping for France and other countries too (including US). But be carefull, i'm close to finish the current batch of "production" (see : http://www.cinetson.org/phpBB2/viewt...8779&start=375 just one spare BG-DVI (#22))

Maybe I'll redo another batch of these Barco toys after Sony IFB-DVI new batch scheduled to take place in january (see http://www.cinetson.org/phpBB2/viewt...4030&start=828)

Just warn you that these Barco and Sony toys are only produced in small quantities since chips are difficult to get and these are made by my own hands ;) (takes one week to build 5 :eek: )

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Hi John! Thanks for writing in on this thread! Nice to see someone doing this hard work with their own hands and not overpricing the results! Very nice indeed. This is what happens when HT enthusiates get involved in making products. If a major company was building these they'd build them for 1/2 the price but probably charge x2 as much!

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P.S. Nice HT as well! Bravo! Félicitations!
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Yeah kal, I'm only HT enthusiate guy for years that share his skill (digital electronic) with other people that are like me. I'm not doing these toys to make money because the selled price is not covering the handwork time :o
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P.S. Nice HT as well! Bravo! Félicitations!
Yes, thanks for the "félicitations". Your's very nice too.
I'm quite proud of it since I made all the room by myself. New PJ is coming : it's a Sony G90 with new tubes :eek: ... I was waiting for this PJ for years and in awaiting, I've been using the G70 (got another for spare too :D )

And for sure, these PJ are all equiped with IFB-DVI (HDCP) card in their extension slots :p

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Would these work with a BD1209s?
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Sony G90 with new tubes :eek: ... I was waiting for this PJ for years and in awaiting, I've been using the G70 (got another for spare too :D )
Wow! New tubes even! You won't be disappointed, that's for sure! I find it amazing how many enthusiasts are starting to pick up G90's these days. They used to only be available to the very rich... (I'm hoping to eventually have a Barco Cine9/909 myself! Someday!).

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Don't know Baggy ...

If the 1209 have a COMM. PORT and a PORT3 plugs separated with either 38 or 40mm, then yes.

Assuming that PORT3 plug is analog RGBHV input and not EGA TTL input (old ...)

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The BG-DVI is powered through COMM.PORT 30V DC and the RGBHV output is feed to PORT3 with less than 20mm long analog paths. The module itself is hooked to the COMM and PORT3 plugs and screwed to them. Then the module become as a part of the projector. The french language manual shows some pics of the module installation on a 808.
This is an interesting design in that it is essentially an external box, just bolted to the PJ. The only think I don't like is now the signal is traveling through electronics that it would not need to go through if the card was an actually Port 3 replacement, thus the signal could be potentially cleaner than actually going through the port 3 card.

The other interesting thing would be to be able to hook it up to port 5 because port 5 on later model Barcos like the Cine series have better electronics than port 3 which retains the older design. So, whereas port 3 is better on older Barcos, port 5 is better on newer Barcos.

However, I must say, this is excellent work and quite a fair price. Do you have any intention of attempting to do an HDMI version that would support 10 and 12 bit?

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Don't know Baggy ...

If the 1209 have a COMM. PORT and a PORT3 plugs separated with either 38 or 40mm, then yes.

Assuming that PORT3 plug is analog RGBHV input and not EGA TTL input (old ...)

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Yes and yes. If it worked with a 1208, it will work with a 1209s--no problem.

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port 5 is better on newer Barcos.
Hello Dave,

If Port5 have +30V PS output close to its plug, then why not. In fact, the 30V (say 8 to 30V) PS is needed by the converter to power it the same time the BArco is fire up. There is however another option to use +5V delivered by the DVI or HDMI link but could cause issues with long run cables ...
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However, I must say, this is excellent work and quite a fair price. Do you have any intention of attempting to do an HDMI version that would support 10 and 12 bit?Dave
Thanks. But please consider that HDMI is the same as DVI-D for video purpose. You can link an HDMI output player to the BG-DVI module using the proper cable :p

Another point about this module is that anybody can upgrade his Barco : no need to open the PJ and swap PCBs ;) ...

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The other interesting thing would be to be able to hook it up to port 5 because port 5 on later model Barcos like the Cine series have better electronics than port 3 which retains the older design. So, whereas port 3 is better on older Barcos, port 5 is better on newer Barcos.
Agreed! (Dave and I both have newer Zenith 1200's which are essentially Cine 8 Onyx clones).

The nice thing like you mentioned in a later post Dave is that yes, it's pretty much just an external box. There's no reason why you couldn't supply the thing the needed power (either internally or externally) and use a short external cable to go to port 5.

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Yes and yes. If it worked with a 1208, it will work with a 1209s--no problem.

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Sounds like it might work then?
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There's no reason why you couldn't supply the thing the needed power (either internally or externally) and use a short external cable to go to port 5.
True Kal,
However this implementation (external cable) is forbiden by HDCP standard :(
You can say that this BG-DVI is almost external but it's not really exact since the module must be screwed to the back of the PJ to work. Then no access to analog RGB, then HDCP hardware compliant ;)
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Sounds like it might work then?
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