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I'm contemplating upgrading to a 1292 and was curious as to which is a better projector. G70 or 1292??

Does the 1292 accept component input?

I'd hate to let go of my minty G70 if the 1292 won't meet my expectations......

Any comments on light output, resolution, service menu, etc., vs. the G70 would be awesome.......

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I can't give you the specifics other people can, but based on what I've heard I wouldn't recommend switching to a 1292 to you.

BTW: Do you use a hushbox? If not you might want to check on the sound from those also.

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Try pricing replacement tubes for both...that might sway you....my direction :D

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Cliff, you getting upgradeitis already???

If it were me i'd stick w/ the 70 til i could go 90.

I cried because i had no G90.... til i met a man who had only Digital.
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Isn't the 1292 really a marine hovercraft?
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I can't give you the specifics other people can, but based on what I've heard I wouldn't recommend switching to a 1292 to you.

BTW: Do you use a hushbox? If not you might want to check on the sound from those also.

--Darin
Tell me why big dog????

Will the 1292 resolve 1080P?? Is it as bright as a G70?

I tried feeding 1080P to my G70 today with the VP30 and it's not happening. It does it, but it's soft. Not good enough for me by a long shot.

I'm not really to bothered by the noise of the 1292 as my house is full of computers, and the price is much cheaper.

I'm telling you man, after seeing the G90 now numerous times, it's time to go 9" full bore.

I'm not even worried at the slightest about the whole HDCP thing. We will be seeing HD DVD/Blue Ray on CRT at full rez for no less than a year or two.

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Try pricing replacement tubes for both...that might sway you....my direction :D
Um, and you have what to offer me for cheap???? :D ;) :D ;)

I can care less about replacement tubes as I'll get THOUSANDS of hours from a good condition 9". I know that for a fact because Ken will be doing the setup!

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Cliff, you getting upgradeitis already???

If it were me i'd stick w/ the 70 til i could go 90.
Yeah??? I know. I'd love a G90, trust me, but the $$$$ really comes into play and I really dont think that a 9500LC is worth the same price as what G90's are going for right now so I refuse to pay that much for a 9500.

I'm thinking a 1209S, 4600 (ampro), or a 9500 would suit me fine. I'm just not willing to pay 6 grand for a Marquee when I can get a G90 for that if I'm patient.

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Isn't the 1292 really a marine hovercraft?
That son of a beoch can "hover" over me all it want's as long as I can get 1080P and decent light output! :)

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you think you can get a 90 for 6k?
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Cliff,
Your not giving up are you???

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you think you can get a 90 for 6k?
He almost did, two days ago! Ebay #5857499908...
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you think you can get a 90 for 6k?
Yep. If not now, eventually.......

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Cliff,
Your not giving up are you???
LOL. It's gotta be my way or the highway big dog!

In all seriousness, I sold the 10PG to a buddy close by and even though I do regret it, I will get my way one or the other! :D

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Cliffy,

Mike Parker has really been doing some incredible things with 1292 lately. He hasn't revealed all the info yet, but his recent modding has greatly increased the light output of the 1292. You should go and read the last couple of pages from this thread:

here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8&page=9&pp=30

It should leap frog the beast up Clarence's list a few spots. Mike hopes to be demo-ing it this weekend (?) when Pete stops in at his shop. I have a 1292 now with 900hrs on it and even with my poor setup skills, the picture is amazing. Graham Johnson should chime in here before too long about the 1292. If you're ever passing through St.Louis, you are more than welcome to come by. I'm sure you could improve on my set up!:) I will have Ken Whitcomb do a complete setup on it after I find out what Mike Parker finally settles on.

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I just checked out fleebay #5857499908 for the g90......she's kind of HOT!

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I just checked out fleebay #5857499908 for the g90......she's kind HOT!
She offered me a b****** if I would only pay 10K for it!!!! :D :D :D :D
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So why aren't you $10k out of pocket? :rolleyes:

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So why aren't you $10k out of pocket? :rolleyes:
Trust me Dan, no b****** is worth 3800 bucks!!!! Hell, even if I could "rump ranger" her for that price, I wouldn't pay it! (Insert the fact that the original statement was a joke and the Nice Big T**** Florida Blond never offered any o*** services in exchange for a G90 and cash!) :eek:

For some odd strange reason, my wife is the best thing that ever happened to me. :D :) :D :)

So people, back on topic. Is the 1292 better than the G70?????? :D

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Nice save....... :o

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Well, If you want 1080p dont look to the G70 to do it. You can buy a 1292 and get it now or wait for a 1209 or a G90.

Your choice, The 1292 fits the bill for me. My 1080p is lovely thanks very much !

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Is the real question, which way do I go about fully resolving 1080p ?

upgrade path:

G70 - 1292 - G90......OR G70 - G90?

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Tell me why big dog????
I've talked to Steve Smith about the 1292 vs the G70 before and I don't remember all the specifics other than the sound, but here is my logic. If you sell the G70 now you have basically given up what you paid Ken to set it up and I believe that if you get a 1292 you will still be thinking about the G90. And it sounds like the G90 isn't too far out of your grasp right now and will probably be there if you decide to be a little patient.

Now if the price of the 1292 and everything it will take to get it setup is low enough that it won't put off your chance to get a G90 then my opinion might change based on what the experts say about the G70 vs the 1292 and your not being concerned about the sound.
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I'm not even worried at the slightest about the whole HDCP thing. We will be seeing HD DVD/Blue Ray on CRT at full rez for no less than a year or two.
While people around here have found ways that look like they will work to get around HDCP, this issue in the rest of the market might help your chances of getting a good G90. If HD-DVD gets close to their schedule some of us should have HD-DVD players in April and then it will be interesting to see how people with high end units without HDCP in the rest of the market react. And we should have a good idea about which studios will use the ICT downscaling over component and which won't around then.

I'm also thinking that Sony probably wants to be the center of media in people's houses and if they put the same kind of capability for playing .ts files back in the PS3 as the XBOX360 has now then that could be a fairly cheap way to get 1080p output for some things without buying an external scaler. And that is besides the 1080p output that should be native for BluRay movies. Based on what I can find I expect the first PS3s in the US around November, but hopefully we'll get better info later in February.

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While people around here have found ways that look like they will work to get around HDCP, this issue in the rest of the market might help your chances of getting a good G90. If HD-DVD gets close to their schedule some of us should have HD-DVD players in April and then it will be interesting to see how people with high end units without HDCP in the rest of the market react. And we should have a good idea about which studios will use the ICT downscaling over component and which won't around then.
What is ICT downscaling? ICT = inverse cosine transform??

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What is ICT downscaling? ICT = inverse cosine transform??
It's the optional flag on HD-DVDs that forces downrez, typically to 540p...
http://www.animeondvd.com/blog/?cat=1
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While the other big issue (to me and folks here at least) of region coding still does not seem to be resolved, we’ve learned from Amir Majidimehr, Corporate Vice President, Windows Digital Media Division, who posts frequently on the AVS Forum site, that the ICT issue has been resolved:
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The whole ICT situation is now settled. It is part of the spec (sorry). If the flag is set, the resolution needs to be lowered. This part you knew I assume.

The new part is what I alluded to yesterday. Namely, having clear labeling on the disc if the ICT flag is set. This is now in. No, it won’t say the disc will self destruct if you play it . But you will be able to clearly identify discs with the flag set with standardized messaging to the consumer on the disc. So if you want to vote with your pocketbook, you can.

There is a provision for the flag not being set if the local governmental rules disallow it. So you may want to brush up on your foreign language skills until such time we have regulations like this in the US . Now, where did I put my Nihon-go book…
Amir later confirms that the downrezzed output over component would be 960×540 (or a quarter of 1080 resolution) which he says is 50% higher than DVD itself. This is actually a maximum as it can be set lower. Now, what’s interesting about this is that it is not a mandatory setting. The flag is entirely optional to the content holder. In previous comments to various media outlets in the past year, companies such as Disney, Fox and Sony have said they have no intention of utilizing a downconversion process like this unless it was a mandatory thing within the format. While the ability to do it is mandatory, the actual flag is only set by the content holders themselves. Warner Bros. has been the only company (to my knowledge in following all of this for the last two years) to request that ICT is present. They haven’t explicitly said they were going to use it but they wanted the capability there to do so.
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My only thoughts on this subject (have-ing seen the G70 and G90 in action.)

1)- If you can't be satisfied with a minty G70 .... Seek Help, Something is wrong with you.

2)- If you can get a G90... Then do it.

I was reading the Best Buy sales pages the other day and they had a little tutorial blurb on buying a HDTV which summed it up like "720p is good 1080p is best". But I personally think it's not that simple. I would much rather have the G70 then the 1292.

-B

ps I think the 1292 can do component input via a IFb12 but I don't think its designed for it the way a G70 or G90 is. Also, there are some new custom boards (Moome perhaps) that can do DVI but I can't remember if component is offered also.
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Cliff, what if a G70 looks at say 720p for example, then a 1292 looks at 1080p. I think people too much on resolution sometimes. I remember talking to Jim(owner of Lumagen) and he told me that the "best image"(his words) he has seen yet was displaying 720p and he has a 9500. Not sure how much weight that carries but my point is if a G70 can look better then a 1292 can while displaying 1080p then to me the choice is obvious.

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What is ICT downscaling? ICT = inverse cosine transform??
ICT = "Image Constraint Token"
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Tell me why big dog????

I'm telling you man, after seeing the G90 now numerous times, it's time to go 9" full bore.

Cliff
All I can say is wait and get the G90. You will not be satisfied with the 1292 and after taking down you G70, installing the 1292, you will still want a G90.
I like the newer design and setup fetures of the G70 alot more than the 1292. The spot size is also smaller on the G70.

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Cliff, what if a G70 looks at say 720p for example, then a 1292 looks at 1080p. I think people too much on resolution sometimes. I remember talking to Jim(owner of Lumagen) and he told me that the "best image"(his words) he has seen yet was displaying 720p and he has a 9500. Not sure how much weight that carries but my point is if a G70 can look better then a 1292 can while displaying 1080p then to me the choice is obvious.
Was that in context of trying to promote a Lumagen scaler that couldn't output 1080p? :eek:

720p has scanlines on 9". Cliff was amazed at crisp scanlines on my G90 at 1024p. 1080p really is the sweetspot for me.

Cliff, you're watching a beautiful setup with your G70... new tubes, professionally calibrated. All of your sources and all of your content is 1080i/720p, and 720p/1080i will be the huge majority of content for the next 3-5 years. Don't rush into 9" just to get bigger scanlines.
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