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this title is to stir up bickering between 8" LC CRT owners(lets keep it in fun), is there anything better than a NEC LC ? how could there be, I have learned this over the past 3 months, no other PJ will allow you to obtain 100% perfect geometery and convergence(none at I have owned at least) the NEC is a tough bitch but once cracked gives rewards it's abilities in every deptartment are top notch and the color reproduction, oh my!

here is my NEC 1352LC after 3 months worth of tweaking and setup, grabs are all untouched, and from HD sources, here is a link to my gear and setup:

http://home.bigsandybb.com/gmurrell/...r/screens.html








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I have about 2000 absolutely trouble-free hours on my XG1352LC and agree it is one awesome and flexible piece of equipment. Electronically, its seems to accept any imaginable signal fequency and format (exc digital) and provides almost overwhelming control over setup. Built like a tank too. The internals are beautifully laid out and practically mil-spec in appearance. Just have plenty of help hanging it.

I am interested in the details of how you are feeding each of your sources (RBG, HDMI, etc) and the various scan rates you are running it. Are you processing HD signals or just passing them?

You mention a hush box. I did a very detailed post back in 2001 about some easy and safe mods to quiet the XG135 if anyone is interested. They do have too much fan whine out of the box to use uncovered in the viewing space IMHO. It involves reducing the drive voltage on several of the fans. Very easy to do. I measured sound levels and various internal temperatures before and after. This PJ is designed to handle very high graphics scan rates (2500x2000) and probably had the extra cooling for these extremes frequencies. I hope I can find my file if someone is interested, as I don't see how to access this period of archives.
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Yo, Gary. Shouldn't a king wear a 1920x1080P crown?



1920x1080P @ 60hz



1920x1080p @ 72hz



I'll get back later with more... And this 8" still needs tweaking..

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Mike, what is your screen size? Are you getting any scan line overlap at 1080p?
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It's all G70 here.

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Yo, Gary. Shouldn't a king wear a 1920x1080P crown?




I'll get back later with more... And this 8" still needs tweaking..

yes it should, but Mike my XG wears a modified crown , the 2.40:1 portion of 1920x1080p, or 1920x800p , it is really amazing what you have down with the Marquees BTW
I have never owned one myself, any Ehome for that matter

if I was using 16:9 I would want a 1080p capable display for sure, but with my love of 2.40:1 I got by this way pretty darn good

Dan my video signal is 100% digital until it hits the PJ of course, I use the DVDO VP50 for deinterlacing of 1080i/480i sources, no scaling of 2.40:1 1080i movies

the sources are Toshiba and Samsung HD/BR players along with a Yamaha CX1 with SDI mod, both HD players via HDMI into the VP50, the CX1 via SDI, my output resolution is 1920x800p from the VP50 for my 2.40:1 screen

everything but 2.40:1 HD movies are scaled, be it 1.85:1 HD movies, all aspect ratios of DVD etc.

I am too lazy for multiple setups, things look so good anyway no point and my main viewing is 2.40:1 HD movies which it is optimized for, but with the scaler and display profiles I could have every aspect ratio(from every source) optimized instead of everything scaled to 1920x800p(1.85:1 HD movies are currently like 1440x800 for example), the DVDO VP50 handles all aspect conversion like bars on the side of 1.85:1 movies for example

finally the scaler goes out via HDMI to the DVI input on the Moome card which is just a amazing piece of gear, I am one picky SOB and it pleases me, I have gamma adjustments on the DVDO VP50 also, my blacks are black and shadow detail is perfect, I am trying to get Moome to release a NEC XG 10-bit HDMI card

screen is 83" width and 34.5 height, I sit 1.4x back

my 1352LC is stock save a complete fan overhaul and a video coax mod I did which improved things alot in the video noise area

I am actually happy with my current setup, which is good because that is hard for me to be

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Gary, I know these photo's don't even do justice but look good nevertheless.
You did a good job with D65. It is written all over them. I hate blue cast.
What digcam did you get?

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I've never seen geometry that good on an NEC...nice job Gary!

But, I don't think your D65 is quite right...what did you use to set grayscale?

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I've never seen geometry that good on an NEC...nice job Gary!

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Agree. I need to spend sometime with geometry on mine.
D65 is as good as your computer monitor. It looks very close and have done an excellent job if done by eyeing it.

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Ben has never seen a terry or Ken W. setup haha...

Good job Gary I loved my NEC 1352LC VR, dam good Projector, almost forgot how good it looks. Having a G90 tends to skew you memory on other PJ's

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Gary,
That eye shot is almost ...spooky.

You did a good job Gary!
Lets see 90 days at 8 hrs would be 720 hrs spent on set up. How would you like to pay that bill Now you still need to do the calibration

Can you edit which pictures were SDI vrs H DVD and BR. There is a big difference in the jump scene on Mikes but hes using a HTPC I believe but shows what different results will be. Mike are you in format and set to D65 on that shot?

Either way a good example of what a 8" can do with enough time spent but we all know Garys 'perfectness' and Mikes abilities with purity. I do like the Cinemascope impact when used in a dark room. Doug
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Mike, what is your screen size? Are you getting any scan line overlap at 1080p?

I saw Mike's setup last month... definitely not a typical M8500. Extensive mods, new tubes, and NEC lenses.

No overlap at 1080P@72... nice crisp, fully-resolved on-off single-pixel H&V lines. IIRC, Mike's screen is about 84" wide.

His 8500 probably looks better than most of the 9500's out there.
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Ummm . . this will probably go over like a lead balloon, but here goes . . .

Is it REALLY necessary to post 39 inline screen shots to demonstrate the PQ of a particular system?

Every time I want to look at the newest post in this thread, I have to reload ALL 39 screen shots. I'm on cable broadband @6MBps download, but it still takes time. I can't imagine what it takes guys on 1.5MBps DSL, or heaven forbid dialup.

Perhaps a couple of inline pics and then links to one of the picture hosting sites for the rest?

My 2 cents

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Mike are you in format and set to D65 on that shot?
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Yes, but I still have some finer work to do on the projector. And the color balance has not been setup at all, it's just a basic eyeball setup until I get around to finishing the setup. So you would not want to see what the geometry looks like..

Very very good job Gary. I thought I would never see you content with any projector, because it was very rare to see you post a thread on your CRT and not see that 'mad' emoticon.

That must be one heck of an NEC to bring that level of joy out of you, and I must also say that it also brings a smile to my face.. .. and to see the images and work that you've put into it, and to make it shine like that (Kudos). That's the kind of stuff that makes this CRT hobby special..

So let them keep boasting about their super 9" projectors, and Ruby's Pearls and the rest of the pixel things. But let the record also show that our lowly (8") CRT projectors are holding there own also..

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Mike P : do you run an E-home LC??
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Mike P : do you run an E-home LC??

I have a 9500LC, but this particular Marquee 8500 is NON LC. It has NEC HD-145 color filtered air coupled lenses on it.

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This is an XG fanboy thread. Objectivity is checked at the door before entering. Let's not rain on their parade. When we have a G70 fanboy parade, maybe they'll return the favor.

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This is an XG fanboy thread. Objectivity is checked at the door before entering. Let's not rain on their parade. When we have a G70 fanboy parade, maybe they'll return the favor.

Good point, I'll edit my last post.

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looks to me as though you are crushing blacks and whites, i am viewing on a calibrated crt monitor....maybe it's your camera?

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Mark I tried and tried to get the closest I could, I had to go this far back to even get the damn thing to start to focus up, I am as close as I could get and wish it was closer

I made some improvement, I spent another 4 or 5 hours today, I got it much better but it wasn't anything stock

I played with flapping settings, and then proceded to use the screws as adjustments also, I ended up with one crazy setup, one of the 4 screws isn't in anymore and another is nearly screwed out, but what I did was acomplish some improvement, to a point where it may be tolerable, much better than before, I noticed one thing that puzzled me, the outer lens adjustment was 98% in one direction on the green, nearly as far as it would go(the direction that makes the center worst no less), the Red and Blue where only around 3/4 of the way on the outer lens, wouldn't you know it, after my jerry rigged flapping, the outer lens on the green arrived at nearly the same place as the Red/Blue, that can't be a coincidence with the improved problem

optical Focusing is a bitch, those that take it 100% serious get serious results, those that don't, get lackluster images

my fingers are raw and blistered but the result was worth it, much better indeed

Mark between me and my brother we probably watch 3 to 4 movies per day, I am home alot because I do school online and it is my main interest, so my viewing times are massive, I have put 2400 hours on this PJ in 4 months

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these shots were taken after your "jerry-rigged" green lens flapping procedure with missing screws, etc.??
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I wish my grid looked like that.

And yes on dialup it takes a l-o-n-g time to view this thread.

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looks to me as though you are crushing blacks and whites, i am viewing on a calibrated crt monitor....maybe it's your camera?

I see plenty of shadow detail on my monitor. You forgot to turn the light off
Seriously they look good. Which frame is crushing white?
The only thing I don't like about these photos are the geometry. It makes me very uneasy .

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Damn nice setup Gary!

Ever since I got my first CRT projector (PG9200) I fell in love with the NEC's. Beautiful colors and flesh tones with lots of punch.

Here is a couple of screenshots of my XG750 which I am using now with a 100" diagonal 16:9 screen.

I just took this shot on the weekend testing my new moome HDMI ISS input card with gamma and my Panasonic S77 set to upscale DVD to 1080i. I can't take any HD DVD screenshots because I don't have a scaler like you to combine the fields.





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AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!

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That must be one heck of an NEC to bring that level of joy out of you

Mike,

Absolute best 8" projector I have ever laid my eyes on!!!!!

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Thanks Gary
I now know I did OK with my setup of my 1352. Not quite as good as yours for sharpness but very close IMO. I feel my color balance is as good (perhaps even better) and so is my geometry. I'm horrible with screen shots and just can't seem to get one to turn out or I'd post.

Now i gotta work on the focus just a little.

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Mike,

Absolute best 8" projector I have ever laid my eyes on!!!!!

Cliffy

I believe you

Not to stir up anything but look at the last photo Gary posted.
The watch on the lower left, the handles and compare that to the one Mike has posted. The difference is fascinating imo.

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