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I'm sorry to enter in your Blendzilla Meeting, where i would be, but with the only Tim's Marquee 9500 LC Ultra i've obteined these images.

At the first these are the images that came from Toshiba HD XE1 via HDMI to the Marquee.
King King HD- DVD....









.....and Training Day.



Then these are images that came from a simple DVD played by SDI output of my Denon DVDA11, processed by Teranex Mini in HD-SDI and converted in RGBHV signal by AJA HD10 C2.....
Profumo...










I put them under you qualified judgement.
I hope you like it.

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(I know I'll get flames for posting this about screenshots but just have to )

I think your images are very greenish.

It seems to me that at low IREs your PJ is very greenish. At high IREs the PJ is much better.

Are the images accurate (color wise) when you see them on the screen?
Do the dark images look so greenish? if yes, you need to calibrate your PJ.

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I'm sorry to enter in your Blendzilla Meeting, where i would be, but with the only Tim's Marquee 9500 LC Ultra i've obteined these images.

At the first these are the images that came from Toshiba HD XE1 via HDMI to the Marquee.
King King HD- DVD....


I put them under you qualified judgement.
I hope you like it.


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William,
I notice "food?" against my name. I am up for it!
Anything particular people are craving for?

By the way, my wife is a good cook, anybody likes Indian food?

(although, I havent asked her yet )

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Dear All;

It is time for the weekly East Coast BlendZilla Meet Attendance List maintenance.

Following is my best current guess as to who is coming:

William (the host), plus wife (Cheryl)
Mike Parker (with Video Chain magic, super VIMs, super neckboards, setup, lowly 8" Marquee)
Mysterious Analog Way VP
Clarence (with HD DVD, Bluray, DTheater, HTPC sources)
Gino and Jessica
NauticaL
Wallace123456 (Wallace) (with BBQ, Victory Beer(?), Beef Jerky, Margaritas(?))
Belcherwm (Bill) (helping Wallace with the Victory Beer)
Ecrabb
Emdawqz1 (John) (with Beef Chili, hot wings, mild wings, etc.)
Z-Photo
JBJR (John) (with 1080P video cables, setup)
Overclrckr (Cliff) (with Beef Jerky, BBQ(?))
Bomrat (Arli)
rajdude (with food (?))
Audiophil (with food (?))
Ken Whitcomb (with color calibration)
Bruce Can ?
Mark Conner
Mark Haflich
MadHatter ?

Bill Lackner (and Jackie)
CRT Ben (and Cheryl)
Edie Sears
Allen1994
Gary Murrell ?

beerbujt (Steve)

Curt Palme has been removed, and Steve (beerbujt) has been added.

I am about to post in the digital projector forum, in a kind and humane way, inviting anyone who would like to come and see CRT at the pinnacle of its current capability. I will also ask if anyone would like to bring a JVC RS1, for comparison purposes.

Mark H, we can start the Sunday Meet any time. Lets set an 11:00 AM start time now, and discuss it on Saturday at the Meet.

William


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(I know I'll get flames for posting this about screenshots but just have to )

I think your images are very greenish.

It seems to me that at low IREs your PJ is very greenish. At high IREs the PJ is much better.

Are the images accurate (color wise) when you see them on the screen?
Do the dark images look so greenish? if yes, you need to calibrate your PJ.

Sir,
in this thread you speak about two proj in stack with the help of Blendzilla.
The only reason of my post is to display images that came from one only proj to show the details of my system.
In this case i have a Nikon D50 that have only the ISO 200 minimum regulation.
After it doesn't register really the colour that i normally see. So the images appear as based on green colour.
Thanks for your judgement.

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Very crisp in detail, nice work!!!!!!

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Hello Tim,
i'm glad for your compliments.
Really i'm searching for more brightness. I'm working on the G2 blue level and on the blue drive to have a bright image vìbut in the same time a very black.
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In this case i have a Nikon D50 that have only the ISO 200 minimum regulation. After it doesn't register really the colour that i normally see. So the images appear as based on green colour.
Thanks for your judgement.

It's going be difficult to reproduce the exact colors, so we tend to look at the things that you did show well, and that's the detail.

However, when going after detail try and bring out background detail, because that is when you get into the performance of your system. Anything up close is always easy, mainly because foreground scenes require very little bandwidth to reproduce.

Since you have KONG. Take a look at the scenes I have in the images (chapter number showing), and post back those of similar scenes to capture background detail.

btw, what rate were your images taking at. The ones with the Terenex looks really good to not be HD.







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Thanks Mike!
I will practice your words.

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Thanks Mike!
I will practice your words.

It's not going to be easy, but stay with it and you should get better results. If you'll feel better not posting in this thread, you can post them over on the "screenshots" thread that I started on Curt's site.

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I'll post them again. I've removed one and added another, this one is from Chapter 32









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Sorry Mark, your negativity can't pull us down We already have this planned out. We will be using a Ultra high bandwidth MP moded Marquee switcher ! So, we will only need one of each, plenty of inputs to play with. Oh, and you know Mike he'll take care of any input source to get it right !




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Not to cast a negative, but speaking as one who has hosted a few of these and attended a few others, it will be next to impossible to experiment with the wide variety of sources, processors, and inputs planned for this meet. In order to correctly set up and calibrate things, everything must be in place. You can't willy nilly unplug and change things. Everything changes. You must set up each source, each input yada yada and then create a memorary and then one for each resolution. Just calibrating all this stuff would take days and Ken W's bill would be absolute black (out of sght). remember you will need two Moome casrds because there will be two projectors. Wanna set one up for the card and another for the box? Not me. I think you will quickly find out the need to simplify if one is trying to show what two projectors and a Blendzilla can do. My bet is that moome's stuff will not be ready in time and if it blows something, we may just end up slamming beers and getting lap dances.

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Hello

DVX source setup takes maybe five minutes each, eight in, another switcher just makes it harder.......

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I'll post them again. I've removed one and added another, this one is from Chapter 32

Oh my God Mike. Those look like horse crap.

Let me dig up a couple for you:











Oh hell yeah.

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Remember guys, the UTMOST attention at this point MUST be applied to the picture in the meet (total light control) AND the forum.

The fun begins. MUST MAKE SURE THAT KEN TAKES CARE OF THE SETUP!

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I love the "cat that ate the canary" grin on that guy standing next to Mr. Incredible!


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I love the "cat that ate the canary" grin on that guy standing next to Mr. Incredible!


Ken Whitcomb

Look damn hard at those pretty pictures you made big dog. Simply stunning!

What a great time we had.

Here we go again!!!!!

Make them phosphors look pretty!

Can the Marquee do it?????

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Crap, now must drop the screen shots!







Get on the bus guys!!!! Here we go!!!!!!

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DROP DA BOMB!

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Oh I am so ITCHING at this point to jump on the plane. Cant wait.

Mike, do your magic. Let's see you and Ken make pretty pictures big dog. it's a must.

BTW, those screen shots looked BETTER in PERSON!

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Oh my God Mike. Those look like horse crap.

Let me dig up a couple for you:

my my Cliff, you're trying to turn this into a which is best contest. For which that was not my intent here. but since you would like to do something comparable, post some that's showing detail in the backgrounds, because that's what those last ones were all about. And since it's also showing the chapter numbers, why not duplicate what I've posted..

No cartoons please. And you can't tell much with close ups, but while you're at it. Can you do another close up of Halle and John Travolta. You'll need to show those two with background detail. For some reason, you're not bringing out anything around their faces. And the rim around Travolta's glasses seems to be showing a bit of digital sharpening. But I'm sure that's not the case here. But if you look very closely at it, there are sharpening lines in some places in that image.

Here take this one for instance. Notice how you're able to see everything around the face, and compare the eyeglass rim as well:


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And while you're at it, let's see that SMPTE pattern. And let's see it at 1920x1080P @ 72hz.

I'm planning to show this at the meet. That's being done from an 8" AC Marquee..


And here's something from my shoot-out CD, that's also at 1920x1080P @ 72hz Here we're showing that the projector is not only maintaining sharpness through-out that image, it's also maintaining very deep blacks, for which is usually lost if not using a VERY high bandwidth video chain at 1080P / 72hz


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And I'm glad you also have an HTPC. Here's one of my desktop. It's at 1920x1440P @ 72hz


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Now, back to why I'm posting the screen-shots that I've been posting. I'm only showing bandwidth challenging images, which is very difficult to show the results in screen-shots. So that's why it's good to be able to also show what this looks like at the meet.

I gotta run. I have a Barco blend to tweak one of the projectors this morning. Hopefully when I get back, you'll have more screen-shots for me..

NO CARTOONS!

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Mike,
You gotta post some animated pics for comparison man !
Those cartoon pics (from Cliff) look mighty impressive to me!


And Cliff,
I gotta say this (and I am sure lots of people would be offended here and probably think I am mad! )
Why dont I see too much shadow detail in real world / movie shots (NOT cartoons) every time I see a G90? That is supposed to be the best PJ right?
I am NOT just talking about these screenshots...I am refering to my personal experiences about actually seeing pics projected by a G90.


I have seen two of the best setups and both times I did not see much shadow detail. For example, someones black jacket simply becomes a fat blob of really black area!

The best explanation I have heard is "because these guys prefer ultimate blacks" (and thus, end up sacrificing shadow detail)

(Flame suit on )

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guys you have to understand these are just pictures, they represent about 25% of what you see in person, if that

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Gary,
allow me to clarify my comment (if that is what you are refering to)
I was NOT talking about the screenshots...but to actually seeing pics on a G90.

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Gary, I think Rajdude Has seen this on live G90's not screen shots, but i agree about your screen shot statment. I cant get pics to look as good as my live set up and to get the right iso setting to represent the actual colors you see is a pain in the *ss !


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my my Cliff, you're trying to turn this into a which is best contest. For which that was not my intent here. but since you would like to do something comparable, post some that's showing detail in the backgrounds, because that's what those last ones were all about. And since it's also showing the chapter numbers, why not duplicate what I've posted..

No cartoons please. And you can't tell much with close ups, but while you're at it. Can you do another close up of Halle and John Travolta. You'll need to show those two with background detail. For some reason, you're not bringing out anything around their faces. And the rim around Travolta's glasses seems to be showing a bit of digital sharpening. But I'm sure that's not the case here. But if you look very closely at it, there are sharpening lines in some places in that image.

Here take this one for instance. Notice how you're able to see everything around the face, and compare the eyeglass rim as well:


Woo hoo!!!! I knew that would get you going!

Tick Tock, Tick Tock, cant wait for the meet!

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