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I match my sharpness during RAW conversion in Photopro to match the full size image on my screen, not the scaled version. This ends up being sharpness 1 out of 2. Sharpness 0 still looks more detailed than the scaled paused video next to my photo on the screen. My Digital SLR captures each pixel independently and does not add post processing. That is why it is considered very good for it's use in RAW mode. A camera sees the screen and it says what's this we need to correct this!!?? It still may look the way it should on the screen but the camera doesn't always know the difference. My camera uses a FOVEON X3 Direct Image Sensor (CMOS).

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You don't think it is over sharpened?

Not sure as I find it difficult to make out sharp versus not sharp on my modest DLP High Power combo setup. Sharpness isn't something very prevalent on my high gain screen. If someone tells me it is too sharp I will have to take their word for it. My other photos that are not screenshots with sharpness 1 do not look as sharp as that movie did. The DVD looked very similar with regards to sharpness.
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Not sure as I find it difficult to make out sharp versus not sharp on my modest DLP High Power combo setup. Sharpness isn't something very prevalent on my high gain screen. If someone tells me it is too sharp I will have to take their word for it. My other photos that are not screenshots with sharpness 1 do not look as sharp as that movie did. The DVD looked very similar with regards to sharpness.

Basic sharpness rule is to avoid edge ringing/whitening.
I do 100% crop and watch the edges once I start seeing the ring devoloping I stop and go back a bit. I can even see the ringing in your shot on his hair in back of his head. Unless the PJ's sharpness set too high.

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Basic sharpness rule is to avoid edge ringing/whitening.
I do 100% crop and watch the edges once I start seeing the ring devoloping I stop and go back a bit. I can even see the ringing in your shot on his hair in back of his head. Unless the PJ's sharpness set too high.

The ringing around his hair was a result of having to reduce contrast less than usual in order to keep his hair black. This brought out some ringing type of an effect when I applied highlight recovery but I thought I might have gone unnoticed. I was more worried about getting the brightness in the background as bright as possible which actually ended up crushing the highlights a bit. Since it looked like the background was loosing detail in the building anyways I ignored it. That was my second attempt at blu-ray screenshots so I'm still learning what works best however the ringing is probbobly a result of the automatic aperture setting in the camera. I will look out for this better in the future. I didn't think anyone would notice.
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Here are two screenshots of a Photo I took then converted to 16bit tif format using sharpness 1 for both the photo and screenshots. I cropped and resized them in photoshop but no post proccessing was done other than from the settings that had been told to be used by the camera. It is a different calibration but sharpness on the projector is still 3 out of 8. What am I doing wrong? The 2 chip visibility caused by the camera is normal.



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I am not a pp expert but believe the sharpening is best applied after resizing.
It looks so much better. No stick figure look. The second one is the 100% crop I believe.

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I have never seen nor heard of this movie with the exception of your screenshots a while back Art. Black Narcissus right? It looks just freaky enough that I think I will watch it!
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I have never seen nor heard of this movie with the exception of your screenshots a while back Art. Black Narcissus right? It looks just freaky enough that I think I will watch it!

Yes, an interesting movie but not a great one. So often I will watch a movie and enjoy it but would not recommend it to others. There are a few scenes with images that are astounding under any circumstances but even more so based on the film's 60 year age.

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I am not a pp expert but believe the sharpening is best applied after resizing.
It looks so much better. No stick figure look. The second one is the 100% crop I believe.

The second photo is an area I zoomed in at in the Windows image viewer of the same photo. The zoom is around the distance that I remember focusing for. The camera uses the same focal length as a film camera and if you have ever tried adding sharpness to a scanned and resized photo, you understand what that is like. I have not done much in photoshop with sharpening yet because it will erase my cameras data on the file. It does however give some slightly better looking results than the pp sharpening.
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Trying to go after some of the more complex shots to capture. I know this is going to be difficult when using an inexpensive PS camera, but I like trying to convey what I'm seeing on the screen.

Projector not warmed up fully, so there's some convergence issues.


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Had to fix a few things on the setup last night. My red static focus wire came loose on the focus coil, that plus the glue neck board lost a bit of gain. I actually noticed the blue problem in the previously posted shots. The static focus problem was also in the previous shots, but I only noticed it after dealing with the blue problem.

I'll try the gamma thing later when the remote arrives. For now I took a few more shots from Barraka to see how well things look after the few changes:

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Hi Mike, I can see in these last shots what you mean about the Moome and the white setting. Here you can tell you got all the subtle variations in the whites with out clipping them. Now once you use the Gamma for the low end it will look sweet!!! But I am not sure how Moomes Gamma affects the high end, hopefully it slopes off at 30-40 IRE. But the colors on these last shots are nice. Once the gamma adresses the shadow details I think you'll be done tweeking.

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Hey Mike

First let me say without a shadow of a doubt those pics blow mine and most other folks here away . Now for the critique... do you also see the slight blue push on the left 1/6 of the image, or is it just me.

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Now once you use the Gamma for the low end it will look sweet!!! But I am not sure how Moomes Gamma affects the high end, hopefully it slopes off at 30-40 IRE. But the colors on these last shots are nice. Once the gamma adresses the shadow details I think you'll be done tweeking.

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I'm sure I've mentioned it several times in this thread, that I'm not seeing the problem on the screen, only in these shots. So it must be the camera. And there's no adjustment that I know of in the camera to correct this.

I also notice in a picture you posted in another thread, where I'm seeing the same thing in your shot:


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Hey Mike

First let me say without a shadow of a doubt those pics blow mine and most other folks here away . Now for the critique... do you also see the slight blue push on the left 1/6 of the image, or is it just me.

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That blue push I'm not sure where it's coming from. I looked at the screen a little while ago and did not notice it.

I took a few more shots using a different camera. let's see if it's theree in these shots:

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