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Now that we're doing comparisons again, let's make this Saturday night a comparison night. I'll have my lowly 8500 dialed in and color calibrated by then. I'm even going to remove the frankenyokes and put the stock yokes back in it.

So later today, I'll be looking forward to comparing more screenshots..

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This kicking it at 1080P on my lowly 8500..

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lol, lol, lol...

It took me a minute; I'm slow.

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You guys with your fancy g90's and modded 8500's, you got nothing on my 1080i 1251q on a 102" BOC screen.

I was watching Casino this evening and I thought I'd take some pictures.

BTW these were taken with stock "program" settings from a 2 year old panasonic fz5 that was resting on my knee and are the first screen shots I've ever taken.




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Question for MP,

is that a single 8500? and what size, gain and type screen are you using? Also what mods are in the machine?

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Question for MP,

is that a single 8500? and what size, gain and type screen are you using? Also what mods are in the machine?

thx,
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Yes, it's a single 8500 (air coupled) firing on a 80" wide electric draper screen (that's all I know about it, it's about 15 years old).

It's using modified 03 VIM's.

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In your opionion is a single 9500LC Ultra, new tubes, mod'ed or not able to fill a 104inch wide screen? If so I am after the black level and resolution/sharp focus and having two projectors might not meet my end purpose..

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In your opionion is a single 9500LC Ultra, new tubes, mod'ed or not able to fill a 104inch wide screen?

Not sure, but you'll only be 8" over what has been a near standard size (96") screen for a good 9" projector. There's a lot of things to be considered here, and for the best answer on something like this, it's always best to see a similar setup in person. This is not something you'll want an opinion on.


[QUOTE}If so I am after the black level and resolution/sharp focus and having two projectors might not meet my end purpose..[/quote]

You can get there with two projectors, but you'll only need two projectors for larger sized screen only.

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Jim this is on a 12 foot screen (daLite 1.2 gain) From an unmoded Marquee 8000, your 9 inch will definitley do that screen.

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Sweet shot. I had a 8000 once.

Loved the Acon. Cool.

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Mike, this is my new favourite:

( B ) ( G ) ( R ) BlendZilla DownUnder ( R ) ( G ) ( B ) - Tubes of Fury
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I'm finding myself looking at landscaping and other things of nature at times, so I've been capturing some of that as well:

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Tonight I will be doing the final tweak on the 8500. That's when I'll get back to the focus, and will also do a better color calibration using a colorimeter this time.

Caspian was right. I now see where I need to move the camera back some. I'll try that as well.

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Here's a few more.

I went after several darker images, and will post a few now. more later!









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Mike... those are incredible!

I haven't fired up the blend in a while as I'm between upgrades, makes me really miss CRT.

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Oh yeah baby. It's about time!!!!!!!!

I am beyond impressed my friend. AWESOME!

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Oh yeah baby. It's about time!!!!!!!!

I am beyond impressed my friend. AWESOME!

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Mike, what's your room setup? Your shots show no light spill or haloing compared to my XG.
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Mike, what's your room setup? Your shots show no light spill or haloing compared to my XG.

There is some light in the room, but it's more reflective light that's coming off the walls. A little comes from the entrance to the room, there I have no door or way to close the room off. So they were taking at night, when no one is on the upper level with lights on.

I painted the room, but used the wrong paint, when I was trying to paint the room without going straight flat paint. The paint that I used has too much of a sheen to it for this use.

Anyway, you're right there in Rockville. When you have time to come out, let me know and I'll let you see that lowly 8500 in action. But until you can get by, here's a few things that's going on with those images:

First, they are very good 1080P native transfers. And with that, the 8500 is 100% resolving that native 1080P source. When that happens properly, the image has more density. Or putting it the way someone else has said it. The image is "heavy" and that makes it even less likely to be effected by stray light.

I've said this several times and was debated every time, and that is that a really good 1080P source can be sharper than 1080I or the lower non native 1080P sources, but that depends on some things that I'm doing with the video chain.

Also, fully resolved 1080p would also be more colorful, and would produce a broader range of colors to include bringing out the very difficult various ranges of brown and good flesh tones.
the colors are there in such brilliance!!

Come on out one day and see that lowly 8500 in action. we're going to WOW Ya!

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Thanks for the offer, Mike. Once I get done with all these college applications (I'm a senior in H.S) and adjustments to my theater room (read below), I'll take you up on that!

I'm actually going to replace my screen with Wilsonart per Clarence's recommendations and see if that helps (having other issues with the torus as well). Does it make sense that the torus is more susceptible to light spill due to the higher gain?

And that jist about the density of 1080p makes a lot of sense... don't know who could debate that with those screenshots you have!

Hopefully I shall have some screenshots to add in a month once I get things calibrated .
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I really like the detail in these screenshots. They look almost as good as the actual movies on my unmodified Ampro 3600. Really guys, how can I (without a 1080p capable PJ) tell from these low resolution shots are any better than my normal 720p movies? Would they look better with a 1080p pj?

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I really like the detail in these screenshots. They look almost as good as the actual movies on my unmodified Ampro 3600. Really guys, how can I (without a 1080p capable PJ) tell from these low resolution shots are any better than my normal 720p movies?

Easy, get a camera and do the same. Post your images here, and you'll see what it takes to get that same detail in the screenshots.

The shots are not low resolution. they are actually very high resolution shots. Those same high resolution shots are then "resized" to fit your monitor. In that process you'll not going to loose much, because you'll not projecting that resized image on a large screen.

When taking the screenshots, we're really capturing what were projecting on a large screen and trying to reproduce that. So get out your camera and fire away. Then you're see what's going on here. But before you start, let me inform you how difficult it's going to be to recreate what you see on the screen at 1080I into a solid screenshot. It'll be much better with 720P, but you won't get the same detail that you'll see with 1080I.

For instance, post a screenshot of some of the similar images shown here that has a lot of good background detail. And see what happens to that detail when it's in the screenshot form.

No special camera skills are required, nor is a special camera required. Almost any of the later digital cameras should do well. Place the camera to the screen on a tri-pod. Set everything to AUTO. Turn off the flash, and then fire away.

BTW, the screenshots are not a tell all. They just allow us to reveal some interesting things from the camera lens. In some of those images that we capture, at times we're able to show some really neat and difficult to capture things that we saw on the screen. The better the projected image, the better it is to reproduce what we saw. And trust me, we're seeing much better in person.


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Would they look better with a 1080p pj?

1080P is better. But it's not easy to do on CRT. And doing 1080P in screenshots is the real challenge, because it's very difficult to recreate whatever sharpness and detail you're seeing on the screen.

This thread is a fun thread. It's not really saying which projector is producing the best image. We can't do that with screenshots. We can only show some things to the trained eye, that would be otherwise difficult to capture with a camera.

Now if you really want to see something blow away that Ampro. Come check out either my 8500 or Cliff's stack. I'm firing on a small screen, so that makes things much easier, but wait till you see the image that Cliff puts on a larger screen..

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Would they look better with a 1080p pj?

Below is an easy one for you If you have the 5th Element.

Capture this same scene at either 1080I or 720P. And pay close attention to the things in the background between their two heads. There's a woman there also...


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Here's another. Post this, and I'll show you what to compare.


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Now, we'll show some screenshots posted on this same thread from a Ruby. And we'll also post two from my 8500 after I finished the setup. Both are 1080P. Two are from my 8500 and the other two are from DVD MAN's Ruby. It's indicated that the Ruby has had a 12 hour calibration.

My 8500 is finished setup, but with only an Optical Comparator color balance.


My 8500 @ 1080P


DVD MAN's Ruby @ 1080P



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My 8500 @ 1080P


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MP, Thanks for the explanation. I use my PJ as my monitor at home on a 84" screen. That is why I was trying to understand what I should be looking for in these photos. I can see that taking an accurate photo of the detail in a high-rez scene is difficult and can show major flaws with a sub-par setup. I just could not see how my lowly Ampro could do justice to a scene from your super-8500 or the excellent 9" PJs. I can only imagine that the original displayed images were awesome.

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Below is an easy one for you If you have the 5th Element.

Capture this same scene at either 1080I or 720P. And pay close attention to the things in the background between their two heads. There's a woman there also...

MP 8500 @ 1080P:

G90:


I like that dark, scruffy Bruce Willis shot above... I'll have to try to find that scene.
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