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post #5461 of 5489 Old 11-04-2013, 11:15 AM
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If that is anywhere close to what you're seeing, your gamma is too high. Shadow details are crushed and skin tones are shifted towards lower end of color intensity. What are you using as a source? If it's an HTPC, I can tell you how to fix that.
Despite that, I'd love to have the option to have a CRT projector in my place.

I understand what you're saying, but what the shots are showing is not what's on the screen. I usually just post them the way they come out the camera. I never tweak any of my shots, but when I really get into taking them. I usually do a better job at setting up the projector and also capturing the image with the best camera settings.

I don't make that big of a deal out of it, because it's all be reproduced using a $99.00 point and shoot camera.

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I am going to have to get some up of that on my lowly 1352, later this weekend, here are some for kicks with the DVDO VP50pro:
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What's up bitches?????????? Yea that's right!


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Nokia freaking out on my stack!!!!!!!!!

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Cliff I''m definitely bringing my Camera to take some screens.

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Why I still like CRT...


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If that is anywhere close to what you're seeing, your gamma is too high. Shadow details are crushed and skin tones are shifted towards lower end of color intensity.

I have not been on this thread for a while, so if this has been covered recently, please forgive the redundance.

Best way to show the shadow detail better is to raise gamma a bit, called giving the pic a "gamma bump". I first heard about this from Cliff, Thread Starter here, via his Moome device. There are screenshots somewhere here in this thread that show shots in 2.2 and the same shots in 2.4, and the 2.4's are definitely better - they show more shadow detail while leaving the blacks crisp inky black, just like they are without the gamma bump.

Brightness/black level does not do that.


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LOVE what that little 1251 can do!!!

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Killer! CRT is still the cat's meow for me.

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you achieved this PQ with one of those old crt projectors!? how? also wll that bd player make blu rays look better than my ps3
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you achieved this PQ with one of those old crt projectors!? how?
While the pictures look good there are limits to what a 1251 can do. The pictures look good because the poster knows how to take good photos (colours are good). What you can't see here is the softness/smearing that is going to happen with an older ES focused CRT projector because you're viewing an 800 pixel wide image of what was originally a 1920 pixel wide source . So it looks sharper than it does in real life. You're only seeing 40% of the image.

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That said, yes that's what this thread is all about - CRT and how delicious it is, how buying new is not always the best answer. Fixed pixel has to work awfully hard to match what a fully dialed in CRT projector has always been able to do, standing on its head.

I always cringe when I ask an integrator store what they do with old CRT projectors when they find them in a home they will be installing all new equipment in. They usually say, "Oh, we just tear them out and toss 'em."



Keeping those "old CRT projectors" up there and dialed in is where the true fidelity to the image is. And it would save the customer thousands and thousands of dinaro. But no, the integrators want to make that fresh new money on all new equipment. Why should they pass up a perfectly good opportunity to be "out with the old, in with the new" when it will line their pockets with thousands of extra dollars?



Show me a well taken care of HD grade CRT projector, turn me loose, and you won't want to buy new. Ever again.

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Wow im impressed
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Fixed pixel has to work awfully hard to match ...
IMHO the pixel fill factor and the resolution have been more than high enough for many years now on 'average' screen sizes that the fixed pixel nature of digitals is a moot point.

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Show me a well taken care of HD grade CRT projector, turn me loose, and you won't want to buy new. Ever again.
I guess I'm the odd man out on that one. I've seen many a high end CRT projector that is well set up and I prefer my JVC LCoS.

To each their own. Both have their pros and cons. There is no silver bullet.

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True enough.



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While the pictures look good there are limits to what a 1251 can do. The pictures look good because the poster knows how to take good photos (colours are good). What you can't see here is the softness/smearing that is going to happen with an older ES focused CRT projector because you're viewing an 800 pixel wide image of what was originally a 1920 pixel wide source . So it looks sharper than it does in real life. You're only seeing 40% of the image.

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Basically this... The images in my photos do look a lot better than they do in real life. Although the colors are pretty much spot on, the image is starting to get a bit soft. One of these days I'll "upgrade" to a digital, but that is still a ways off... Until then I'll be enjoying my black blacks and amazing colors.
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No offense meant to imprez25 of course! I ran a Barco 800 for many years and then later a Zenith 1200 (basically a Barco Cine 8 with LC tubes) for even longer and I was ecstatic with the image quality on both. Both let you forget that you're watching some DVD/Blu-ray source and let you get completely immersed in the image. Both were (IMHO) 10x better than the digitals available at the time. As long as people are happy watching what they have, nothing else matters.

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Kal- none taken at all.
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It should be noted that Kal is running a nice late model JVC pj. I just returned from Cedia and would have no problem switching my G90s for a RS4910. Will I do it? Probably not, as laser/led is just around the corner.

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My first crack at this CRT projector thing, Sony 1252.

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My first crack at this CRT projector thing, Sony 1252.

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