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post #5641 of 5653 Old 12-29-2015, 03:51 PM
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of variables that affect screenshots for comparisons and therefore their actual value....what exactly do you feel is fantastic about those samples? Honest question here.
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To my eyes I like how the images look. I didn't see where he was engaging in a comparison. He was simply posting screenshots of the setup he used to have. Therefore I see no need to explain to you or anyone else why I find the shots pleasing.
So defensive now..what's the need to be so cranky and rude? But hey, if it makes you happy then good for you.
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You guys seriously - what is there left that CRT can do better than high end digitals - such as the 4K Sony's - except for motion resolution? What can a highly tuned 9" CRT do better than my Sony VPL-VW1100ES? Or a 2016 JVC?
I am using two highly tuned 9" CRTs (Madrigal MP-9) in a blend configuration on a 12 foot wide 2:40:1 screen. I have been very satisfied with this CRT setup. I have also owned high end JVC digitals. To me digital or CRT is a matter of preference and satisfaction to the user of the technology. Choose what suits you best in your home theater setup.
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What are you guys trying to show with these screenshots? Sorry - you just seem to be an odd little sub-culture here at AVS these days so I'm wondering what you CRT guys are up to.

"Don't forget that a significant contribution made by the use of high-end cabling is emotional. Knowing that you have the best available causes the listening and viewing to be that much more enjoyable. Observable improvements make it even better."

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What are you guys trying to show with these screenshots? Sorry - you just seem to be an odd little sub-culture here at AVS these days so I'm wondering what you CRT guys are up to.
May it be possible that you never had any CRT ?

If so you will never know what a CRT picture looks like in comparison to the present digitals.

It's 2016 and CRT is still here !
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If so you will never know what a CRT picture looks like in comparison to the present digitals.
... so we take pictures with our cameras that have extremely limited stops (dynamic range) as compared to any projector (digital or CRT) and then show it to you in lower resolution on your screen that isn't colour calibrated.

All this lets you see something that doesn't look at all like it really does in person.



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Except for the crispness and dynamic punch, Kal. We can see definite differences between schlocky and sizzling, on our monitors.

Did you get a chance to see the dynamic punch of ovrclkr's triple G90 stack? It was definitely a step up from any normal pic we see on this thread. Credit for this highly challenging calibration of 3 projectors/9 guns all aimed at the same screen - and coming off crisper than crisp, incredibly so - goes to intrepid calibrator Ken Whitcomb.

I am sure you could not resist Kal, because everything you said was true! Yer right. But give the devil his due, there are still SOME things we can actually savor in using our computer monitors -



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I will be in Everett WA on Saturday the 16th, coming up in about 10 days, restoring the picture on my very first HDTV, the year 2000 CRT triple-scanrate - last of its kind - 65" Panasonic now owned by Dave L in Everett. He moved it about 8', then moved it back, and somehow something went amiss and his convergence got messed up on all 3 scanrates. When I had dialed it in after the 11 hour truck drive up from East Bay here last year when he drove down here and bought it from me, its picture had been restored to stealth grade, age had not diminished it a whit. Absolutely stunning picture. He is also having me do his Kuro.

I would love to meet with other display owners there and in the Seattle area, esp. CRT owners of both projection and direct view. Please contact me if you'd like to get together. Esp. if I have done work on your Pioneer Elite's - or non-Elite's - PS board from far away and you are still enjoying your set to the max, years later. Or if you had me replace your convergence ICs along the way. Or if we ever did optics cleaning together over the phone.

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May it be possible that you never had any CRT ?

If so you will never know what a CRT picture looks like in comparison to the present digitals.

It's 2016 and CRT is still here !
I've never had a 9" - which is why I am curious. Years ago I had a Sony 1271 but that's obviously not in the same league as a 9"

The reason I ask is because for many years it was universally acknowledged that 9" CRT's were king of the image quality hill - despite digital slowly catching up.

But I thought it was the case that the last 3 years CRT's had finally been equaled in black level due to the development of JVC's LCOS panels and Sony's SXRD combined with high quality dynamic irises. And I thought CRT had been equaled or beaten in all other metrics (shadow detail, color accuracy, resolution) except motion resolution.

To be clear I'm not talking about mid-line digitals - just the latest/greatest JVC's and the 4K Sony's. I'll leave out 3-chip high end DLP from Sim2 and others because the black levels still leave a lot to be desired.

Is this not the case?

I was considering a G90 or G90 stack last year since I can finally afford them - but was advised against it by former owners who said even the G90 was finally dethroned by Sony's own 4K all-glass lens monster, the 1000ES/1100ES.

I would love to see a high end, finely tuned 9" CRT in action in person - and if anybody's in Southern California I'd bring my 1100ES along to do a shoot out if you like.

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You know these exponential functions where things increase a lot at start and a little at the end. With 9 inch top CRT and top digital the differences are simple much smaller there is no room for massive improvement. It becomes personal what you prefer the most.
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One of the things that caught my surprise after watching dark scenes with my modified Marquee with MP mods is that the blacklevel is so very natural following a natural gamma curve. I used to have posterization on all my digitals when I calibrated to get the best shadow detail. Now I have very much shadow detail I do not need more and no singel banding or posterization. Those things make me love CRT still. When searching the internet I read that there are some posterization problems with the VW1000 and I think yes of cause that is why they need 10 bit. We do not really need it with CRT. Also the HDR movement. With CRT we have white peaking. In a dark scene that drop of sweat on the mans face is very light and because I do not get the full white brightness the iris in my eyes stay open and I see a lot of punch. With my digitals there was more light but I was missing this white peaking and now I read that HDR is coming and I think we do not need it with CRT. And than more the 4k 8k or whatever. There was a huge difference between dvd and 1080p. There is only a very small difference between 4k and 1080p. On digitals it reduces the screendoor but again we do not have that on CRT

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I just finished another version of the mods. This final set is slightly different. There is NO peaking on the 02 VIM. None.

The video chain is totally direct coupled from the DAC to the CRT's, which allows only one pedestal (black reference) and that also comes from the DAC on the Moome card. It has near perfect linearity, and exceptional low end performance. I will be playing with it most likely through this month and maybe the next, and watching a many movies..

Now, there are some very noticeable problems that can easily be seen in the shots. My Control Module is defective... it may not show in the shots, but after warm-up the image takes on waving lines that terrible distorts the image. It also has a problem on the Moome card that causes too much green in the image, so with that, of course it's not calibrated. I just felt like posting a few shots..









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