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mp20748's Avatar mp20748 04:09 PM 11-07-2007
last night I went after few from Kong's night scenes. My camera did not do too well capturing all the light, but I was amazed at the level of detail it captured from the screen. And it also did well showing the night light in those dark scenes:











overclkr's Avatar overclkr 04:15 PM 11-07-2007
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last night I went after few from Kong's night scenes. My camera did not do too well capturing all the light, but I was amazed at the level of detail it captured from the screen. And it also did well showing the night light in those dark scenes:


Very nice big dog!

Looking foward to hanging this weekend!

Cliffy
overclkr's Avatar overclkr 08:07 PM 11-07-2007
Panasonic AE2000 10ft Wide 1080P SMX:


































Cliffy
dropzone7's Avatar dropzone7 08:42 PM 11-07-2007
I did not know you had gone digital Cliff! Are you just testing?
overclkr's Avatar overclkr 09:26 PM 11-07-2007
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I did not know you had gone digital Cliff! Are you just testing?


LOL, yes. Casey brought his new toy over tonight for us to check out.

One of the things I LOVE about HDMI. Just plug it in and go.

BTW, for the price, that PJ is AWESOME.

Cliffy
Clarence's Avatar Clarence 09:34 PM 11-07-2007
Those PotC/Depp pics from Casey's d!%!#@| look great. Excellent skin tones, nice shadow detail in his dreads.

Cliff and I are always interested in seeing d!%!#@|$ get better and better (and cheaper) every 6 months... hopefully in a few years they'll finally become "good enough"
PeriSoft's Avatar PeriSoft 09:58 PM 11-07-2007
Playing around with the temporary setup running a 1271 tonight. HTPC, some with rather too much sharpening, some about right, and 'yo yo girl cop' was no post at all, just regular bilinear scaling. Mainly I played with the color and gamma first; the 1271 is NOT set up optically at all and the convergence is rough at best. Obviously not going to look so hot compared to all the highdef shots being bandied about, but I can still try to make the colors right, damnit!

So, here we go. First, the ubiquitous Fifth Element. Not superbit, by the way. Haven't grabbed a copy yet. I did wave a superbit DVD at my wife the other day (there were like 3 superbit DVDs at some thrift place for five bucks a piece, but none of them remotely interesting to me) saying, "This is what they look like! Superbit! Bruce Willis! Superbit! Bruce Willis!"

Anyway.





Yo Yo Girl Cop. Don't ask. Don't get the movie if you expect all of it to look like these shots. It's just... yeah. It's Japanese.





Grand Prix. Spread across two DVDs; *GORGEOUS* cinematography, probably the best looking DVD I've seen to date. I didn't get the best scenes 'cos Zoom Player likes to die a lot with FFDShow now; not sure why.







There ya go. Remember, don't look at the focus. FWIW, 1271q, 1184x666, 60" 16:9, 65 contrast (not sure of brightness, turned it up until I could see it hurt the black level and then backed it off).
NautikaL's Avatar NautikaL 11:04 PM 11-07-2007
Wow those shots are really good for a digital . How are the blacks in person?
Gino AUS's Avatar Gino AUS 11:51 PM 11-07-2007
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Wow those shots are really good for a digital . How are the blacks in person?

I agree. Are the blacks really as black as they look in those shots Cliff?
v1rtu0s1ty's Avatar v1rtu0s1ty 01:44 AM 11-08-2007
Here is an update folks. I finished my 10'x54" blockout cloth temporary screen. Placed the screen at the breakfast area so I can test it. I was worried that it will be so blurry and that the picture quality will be unacceptable. I was wrong, it was still ok. After doing the 120"x54" screen, I learned that 54" is short and that my 1272 can still go beyond. So, I will be rebuilding my screen again once I order a Wilsonart DW. New dimension will be 120"x67".

Anyways, here is it again but @ 10 feet wide fed by linux at 1920x1080, 72hz interlaced mode. The projector's lens is 13 ft from screen.

Jennifer and Me, just did few convergence since I was so excited. Source frame is 1920x1080, 1.78


King Kong, 2.4


Ratatouille 1080p trailer, 2.4








Bee Movie, 1.78 but I cut it


Resident Evil, 2.4


Aeon Flux, 2.4


Heroes - cheerleader from last episode, 1.78

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owl1's Avatar owl1 05:19 AM 11-08-2007
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I did not know you had gone digital Cliff! Are you just testing?

How the hell can you guys tell digital so easily???? What are the tells that give it away?
Clarence's Avatar Clarence 05:33 AM 11-08-2007
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How the hell can you guys tell digital so easily???? What are the tells that give it away?

The biggest tell was when Cliff posted the model of the digital projector he was using:
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Panasonic AE2000


overclkr's Avatar overclkr 05:45 AM 11-08-2007
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I agree. Are the blacks really as black as they look in those shots Cliff?

Obviously, the blacks are not as good as CRT, but they are acceptable to me given all of the other things the Panny does so well.

Great colors out of the box, and my guess was about 8 foot lamberts on my 10ft wide screen which is unheard of for a 165 watt bulb. Pretty damn impressive.

It is SHARP but not false sharp. No screendoor from 4ft.

The Panny will be probably down to about 2200 NEW in about 6 months. That is a steal.

Cliffy
overclkr's Avatar overclkr 05:47 AM 11-08-2007
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The biggest tell was when Cliff posted the model of the digital projector he was using:

How is the stay going so far big dog?????

Cliffy
Clarence's Avatar Clarence 06:09 AM 11-08-2007
Going good! I'm ready for the weekend! I'll give you a call tonight.
mark haflich's Avatar mark haflich 06:34 AM 11-08-2007
On a digital, the blacks always get better as you increase the size of the screen. The blacks unlike a CRT are not essentially 0, there is a finite black ref level usually something less than .05 or so, much lower for the RS1. If you increase the size of the screen, the amount of black err light leaking doesn't change, it just gets spread out over a larger area making the gray blacks, blacker in reference level. With a CRT the blacks are alawys good regardless of the screen size. Put that new Panny on a smaller screen and the blacks won't be as good. Still OK though depending on how you weightthe blacks against everything else. Cliffy, on your screen what did you prefer? The RS1 or the Panny? Blacker or brighter? Ah to get the best of both worlds. A CRT stack with gamma or a CRT blend.
dropzone7's Avatar dropzone7 06:35 AM 11-08-2007
You are right Cliff, for the price of that Panny it would be hard to complain much! It looks really nice in those shots.
v1rtu0s1ty's Avatar v1rtu0s1ty 07:19 AM 11-08-2007
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You are right Cliff, for the price of that Panny it would be hard to complain much! It looks really nice in those shots.

Honestly, I'm totally impressed too by the performance of that Panny he mentioned.

Cliff, other than the black, what else did you notice?

Awesome shots!
overclkr's Avatar overclkr 07:09 PM 11-08-2007
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I agree. Are the blacks really as black as they look in those shots Cliff?

They are ok, but not CRT.

But like I always say when it comes to the latest digitals, there are things the Panny does that are better than CRT.

For the price though, that projector is awesome.

Cliffy
overclkr's Avatar overclkr 07:11 PM 11-08-2007
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Honestly, I'm totally impressed too by the performance of that Panny he mentioned.

Cliff, other than the black, what else did you notice?

Awesome shots!

Thanks.

It's very sharp but not too sharp. Very much like LCOS with the "smooth screen" option. No screen door from 4ft.

For a 165 watt bulb, it cranks light extremely well. Good colors out of the box. Lot's of lens shift.

Oh, and it's cheap for a 1080P digital.

Cliffy
mark haflich's Avatar mark haflich 12:13 AM 11-09-2007
Have a great weekend Cliffy. Give my love to the family, both yours and the CRTers in attendance
v1rtu0s1ty's Avatar v1rtu0s1ty 12:40 AM 11-09-2007
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Thanks.

It's very sharp but not too sharp. Very much like LCOS with the "smooth screen" option. No screen door from 4ft.

For a 165 watt bulb, it cranks light extremely well. Good colors out of the box. Lot's of lens shift.

Oh, and it's cheap for a 1080P digital.

Cliffy

By the way, I'm not familiar with this, what is lens shift?

Thanks!
Don_Kellogg's Avatar Don_Kellogg 12:52 AM 11-09-2007
Thats pretty amazing given the price. Can't wait for the RS75 or what ever it is by the time I replace mine. How loud is it? I know no where near your stack but..
mp20748's Avatar mp20748 01:50 AM 11-09-2007
Don, can you post some shots from your RS1 here?
mark haflich's Avatar mark haflich 08:24 AM 11-09-2007
Lens shift allows you within the lens shift limits to move the picture thrown by the projector up or down and sometimes side to side in order to center the image on the screen. This gives flexibility in the vertical placement of the projector in relation to the center of the screen and if the projector is not mounted at the horizontal center and horizontal lens shift is available,to move the image a few inches in either direction. The system s mechanical meaning the image is thrown by the whole chip or chips rather than say a keystone adjustment which sacrifices some of the chips surface area.
overclkr's Avatar overclkr 09:28 AM 11-09-2007
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Don, can you post some shots from your RS1 here?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post11497266


overclkr's Avatar overclkr 09:29 AM 11-09-2007
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Thats pretty amazing given the price. Can't wait for the RS75 or what ever it is by the time I replace mine. How loud is it? I know no where near your stack but..

I don't know. The stack was on the whole time.

Cliffy
mark haflich's Avatar mark haflich 03:13 PM 11-09-2007
Unlike a CRT where the already so low black level really doesn't noticeably change with screen size, showing a digital on a screen as large as Cliffy's as say compared to a 110" or 123"D 1.78, the black ref levels will decrease improving the blacks. The concept is the digital leaks and what it leaks is spread out over a larger area.

I guess I have become the black sheep of the CRT family.
Art Sonneborn's Avatar Art Sonneborn 04:54 PM 11-09-2007
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I guess I have become the black sheep of the CRT family.

Since I'm the only one who doesn't have you on his ignore list I'll have to answer that ,yes you are.

Art
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