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Ladies and Gentlemen;

Last spring, on about May 8th, I posted the following:

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Mike has already spilled the beans, so I will amplify a little. I feel badly that we were not completely done with installation and setup before the Meet started. That had been the original intent. I would like to make it up to everyone who came, by offering to host another East Coast BlendZilla Meet, in like October, say the 20th/21st. Picture in your mind's eye driving down the driveway with the 20 Norwegian maples in full bloom, a dazzling display of every hue imaginable from red to orange to yellow, on the way to a fully optimized twin Electrohome Extreme BlendZilla setup, projecting (from source to screen) only 1080P/72 native, via either HD DVD or Bluray. Mike standing on the side, beaming at his babies. Ken already having finished his work, able to sit there and simply enjoy the result. Clarence challenging the rig with the nastiest, most difficult to correctly process clips he can find, and the rig properly responding with ease. Mark challenging everything. Cliffy challenging everyone (and playing his favorite scene from Crank). Don's cooking hanging in the cool crisp autumn air.

The Mars orbiter aeronomy mission proposal I have been working on for more than 2 years is due to NASA on October 19. The 20th seems like a good day to start a party................

Mike Parker/John Barnes/William Kosmann/Don Wallace/Bill Belcher Productions would like to officially announce the

East Coast BlendZilla Meet, Part Deaux.

The Meet will be on October 20th, Saturday, from about 1:00 PM until Cliffy and Clarence go to bed. Featured will be a 12 foot wide version of the image that Mike puts out on his lowly lowly 8" Marquee AC. Don has agreed to again provide barbeque (the details of which are his choice) and I will supply Dominion Pale Ale on tap to wash it down. Please post in this thread if you would like to come. The first 15 attendees are:

Mike Parker and Patrice
John Barnes and SO
Don Wallace and his wife whose name I forgot
Bill Belcher and Teresa
William Kosmann and Cheryl
Cliffy
Ashley the dog (who is not Cliffy's date)
Clarence
Arli (Bomrat), to keep Cliffy attended
Sokoloff

I will not limit attendance, as I have plenty of room for cars and visitors.

William

PS: I have been paying attention, Cliffy.

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The Meet will be on October 20th, Saturday, from about 1:00 PM until Cliffy and Clarence go to bed.

Please post in this thread if you would like to come.

Cliff and I always manage to stay up shootin' the chit and watching movies until the sun comes up (literally).

Count me in!
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Hehe

William, Mike.....time to remind the side stack guys what they are missing out on......

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Sweet! I got a credit in the production! TERESA and I will be there to enjoy and mingle. Let us know what you need.
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Wish I could make this one.

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Well i guess i need to go out to this one too.... Can't leave cliffy unattended for long

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Cliff and I always manage to stay up shootin' the chit and watching movies until the sun comes up (literally).

Count me in!

Yep, I've already written off the fact that when I come out, the entire weekend will be filled with very little sleep.

I cant complain though, as spending time with some of my best friends is worth every bit.

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Hehe

William, Mike.....time to remind the side stack guys what they are missing out on......

Hmmmmm......

Boy how easy we forget.

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Ladies and Gentlemen;

Last spring, on about May 8th, I posted the following:



Mike Parker/John Barnes/William Kosmann/Don Wallace/Bill Belcher Productions would like to officially announce the

East Coast BlendZilla Meet, Part Deaux.

The Meet will be on October 20th, Saturday, from about 1:00 PM until Cliffy and Clarence go to bed. Featured will be a 12 foot wide version of the image that Mike puts out on his lowly lowly 8" Marquee AC. Don has agreed to again provide barbeque (the details of which are his choice) and I will supply Dominion Pale Ale on tap to wash it down. Please post in this thread if you would like to come. The first 13 attendees are:

Mike Parker and Patrice
John Barnes and SO
Don Wallace and his wife whose name I forgot
Bill Belcher and Teresa
William Kosmann and Cheryl
Cliffy
Ashley the dog (who is not Cliffy's date)
Clarence

I will not limit attendance, as I have plenty of room for cars and visitors.

William

PS: I have been paying attention, Cliffy.

William,

AWESOME!!! I can't wait big dog. This is going to be an event to remember forever.

Please try to set aside some time for me to do some screenshots for your thread that weekend ok? Maybe Friday night?

I am STOKED that you guys are going the stand alone source components vs. HTPC. Simply awesome. What are you planning on using for a scaler? How exactly is your video chain going to be setup?

I know, questions, questions. It's just that I know what the potential is for the DVX and I'm just dying to find out what exactly you guys are planning on doing.

I have no doubt at all what so ever that your setup will be top notch and I cant wait!!!!

Oh yeah, BBQ from the master, lots of booze, and great conversation. That TOPS the list for me. Being with friends!

The one thing that does suck big time though is that little hottie Jess and her kick ass husband not being able to come. Bummer......

Here is to one of the best threads to ever exist on the CRT forum in AVS.

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Some pics from the last meet:



Gino rocking out on setup:





A moment to be cast in stone forever in AVS:

Ken, Terry, and Mike Parker in the same room.



Me being a big mouth instead of standing aside and letting the experts do what they do best:



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The source of our vitamins for the weekend:



The master that makes our vitamins:



Me being a BIG MOUTH once again and as well I truly think that it is MY FAULT that the weekend turned out the way it did last time. I can be a real dumb ass sometimes:



This is going to be a blast! I cant wait.
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I missed the first one, but am going to try to make this one. No chance in hell that I'll get Kris to tag along, so just me.
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Yo Big Dog;

You are always totally welcome at the Kosmann casa.

You had nothing to do with the problems surrounding the first Meet. It was one of those times where everything that absolutely could have gone wrong, did go wrong.

I will totally make time for you Friday, Saturday, and Sunday to take all the screen shots you desire. In fact, I would be most honored if you would assent to be the official Meet photographer/historical chronologer.

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Yo Big Dog;

You are always totally welcome at the Kosmann casa.

You had nothing to do with the problems surrounding the first Meet. It was one of those times where everything that absolutely could have gone wrong, did go wrong.

I willl totally make time for you Friday, Saturday, and Sunday to take all the screen shots you desire. In fact, I would be most honored if you would assent to be the official Meet photographer/historical chronologer.

The Host

Gladly.

I'm honored.

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A Short List of the Improvements to the Blend Rig since the spring Meet:

new blue CRT installed in right projector
left projector received upgraded:

vertical convergence board
control module
horizontal convergence module
focus module

both projectors received MP modded contrast boards
2 Blue Jeans HDMI to DVI cables installed in the ceiling
2 Moome HDMI HD VIM input boards purchased
1 HD Fury purchased, then modded by MP
Sony 301 Blu-ray Player purchased
Pioneer BDC-2202 Blu-ray drive purchased
HTPC upgraded with:

MP modded MSI 7800 GTX video card
3.2 GHz Intel Dual Core CPU (up from 2.66 GHz.)
HD DVD/Blu-ray compatible version of PowerDVD

reversed blue & red CRTs on the left projector, so CRTs match my signature
purchased two 50-2035-03 VIMs
MP is converting the VIMs into special specials
MP is converting all 6 neckboards into special specials
took both projectors down, then re-installed them on the ceiling
digitally equalized the room using the Lexicon MC12 digital EQ
JBJR upgraded the Xbox 360:

fixed the bad heatsink problem
installed the latest firmware

Work left to do:

We are currently at the point where the projectors are settling in.

Next, MP will totally dial in the projectors. This will be the first Mike Parker set up blend in a Home Theater, in the world. Then we can run a series of experiments to determine what really does look best.

For example, we will be able to see whether RGBHV or DVI from the BlendZilla to the Marquees looks better. I suspect, but soon will be able to prove, that digital video from the HTPC, thru the Moome DVI/DVI repeater, thru the BlendZilla to the Moome HD VIM input cards will be the best video chain into the projectors. This minimizes the digital to analog video transitions to one: the one that occurs in the Moome HD VIMs.

1080P @ 72 Hz. will be the best source resolution and refresh rate. Currently, only an HTPC can do this. We will be able to test individual sources versus the HTPC, if Mark H. lends us a Radiance scalar to play with.

We also plan to play with the 3 DVX-8022 blendable output resolutions available: 1280 x 1024, 1440 by 1050, and 1600 x 1200 (per projector), to see which looks best on the Marquees. The first 2 resolutions can refresh to 72 Hz. 1600 x 1200 only goes up to 60 Hz.

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Oh baby!! Can't wait!!!

I am looking for the WOW factor!!

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Oh baby!! Can't wait!!!

I am looking for the WOW factor!!

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Dude, I can care less about the meet. I just want the SMOKER!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding about the first part.

So tell me, how well are you going to be able to handle me not letting you get any sleep that weekend??????

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Hey Don;

Cliffy couldn't care less about the Meet, he wants the Meat!!!!!

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No doubt that the excellent BBQ is a huge selling point.

William,
Do you intend to stay Video Processor-less (other than the 8022) for the long haul?

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Guys... I'd LOVE to be there.

Are you getting frankenyoke mods for the projectors?

One thing I am also finding is that you need very good magnetic alignment on the edges (which are the center of the image) so that color uniformity issues are mitigated. The frankenyokes help getting circled dots at the edges (I never have been able to get circle dots in the edges using the stock Thompsons, just crazy triangles, with get somewhat distorted by astig so at least aspect ratio is OK).

I also recommend you try the latest builds of Media Player Classic using the Haali video renderer. I allows for true 0-255 level output (RGB levels unclipped) and it is not buggy as some VMR9 implementations.

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Dear Mark;

I intend to stay video processorless at least until a scalar capable of outputting 1080P @ 72 Hz. makes an appearance. Although I am always willing to be persuaded otherwise, which is why I would like to test a Radiance scalar (even at 1080P @ 60 Hz.) just to see. In keeping with the principle that simpler is better (and its first cousin "minimize thy A to D and D to A transitions"), one would think one would end up with the best video on the screen if one provided digital video from the source, through the HDCP stripper, through the DVX-8022, and into the Marquees. Thus, the only transition would be in the Moome HD VIMs, from digital to analog. The proof is in the seeing. But you can't even see these kinds of differences unless you have a high bandwidth video chain and have absolutely nailed the set up of the Marquees. We are about to complete this essential foundation, then move on to the second order experiments.

Mark, any possibility you might make it up to the Meet? It would be worth your while to come see what we have created. You might also want to talk Terry and Galen into coming up and checking out what us Maryland, Pennsylvania, and Virginia boys have been up to.

Dear Andres;

You have a special invitation to come to the East Coast BlendZilla Meet, Part Deaux, and stay at my house. I will even arrange to have someone come pick you up from the Washington Dulles airport. Thus, your only cost is airfare. Your wife is welcome to come also. October in Virginia is unbelievably gorgeous.

I am in the market for frankenyokes for the Marquees. I doubt that this will be completed before the October Meet. We have noticed some triangularity in the red CRT dots. MP is going to replace the 4 pole magnets with 6 pole magnets, on those CRTs that exhibit triangular dots, in order to eliminate the triangularity.

I will try the latest version of Media Player, although I am using PowerDVD Ultra, with very little problem.

William

PS: Wouldn't it be something if we could arrange a little around-the-world tour in 2008, going from BlendZilla to BlendZilla (and maybe throwing in a stack or two or some non DVX-8022 blends)? Something to strive towards.

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PS: Wouldn't it be something if we could arrange a little around-the-world tour in 2008, going from BlendZilla to BlendZilla (and maybe throwing in a stack or two or some non DVX-8022 blends)? Something to strive towards.

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I was very tempted to come back to the US for this one and Art's, but I need to be smarter with my vacation time.

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William,

Possible I could make it. The only thing scaring me is Haflich's driving.
Wish MP would pop on & tell us more about what makes his "blend" version of his mods distinctively different from his others.

I know he does not like to do this particular mod, but I think the market is just about tapped at this point.

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Possible I could make it. The only thing scaring me is Haflich's driving

It's bad, but If you ever get stupid enough to ever ride with him again. make sure you ask him to not try and light that cigar while he drives. That's s bit too much multi-tasking.

It'll freak you out to sit there and watch him struggle to light that cigar while at the same time press the clutch and change from 2nd to 3rd gear going 65 MPH on a winding country road..

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I will say that Haflich looks like he was born with that cigar though.

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Wish MP would pop on & tell us more about what makes his "blend" version of his mods distinctively different from his others.

I know he does not like to do this particular mod, but I think the market is just about tapped at this point.

When doing two sets of boards for blending, that would be 6 neck boards and two VIMs that I would have to carefully match up.

One of the things I don't always mention is what's involved in taking the boards to a higher bandwidth rating than what they were designed for. In doing that, some of the neck boards that I get in are not good candidates for that level of improvement. So I'll have to either go through each one and swap out components until I can make use of them. Sometimes I've had to replace a board or two. I've even had some boards come to me that were defective, and I'm sure it was known. But rather than bring up an issue, I put them on the bench for repairs. And this is where things become very time consuming. because it's one thing to repair a board, and it's a whole nother story when tweaking a defective board for higher bandwidth.

At times it's very frustrating. I've had three boards in that last month that required about 15 hours of my time to get right. And that's one of the reasons why we've suspended things until I can get some help. I hope to at least get the initial work done by someone else. I know i'll still need to repair some boards first.

So, with a blend set, I'll want to make sure I've carefully match the boards, or at least make sure that each board is well tested to make sure it will be up to the task.

I got this thing down now... no question the boards I've been doing for the past 3 months are top flight. And very well re-worked.

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It's bad, but If you ever get stupid enough to ever ride with him again. make sure you ask him to not try and light that cigar while he drives. That's s bit too much multi-tasking.

It'll freak you out to sit there and watch him struggle to light that cigar while at the same time press the clutch and change from 2nd to 3rd gear going 65 MPH on a winding country road..

LOL. That's too damn funny. I actually think I'm going to have to experience that some time.

Ask Clarence the next time that you see him about the time Ken passed them on the way to William's place.

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I will say that Haflich looks like he was born with that cigar though.

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So tell me big dog, are you watching????? Are you liking?????

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When doing two sets of boards for blending, that would be 6 neck boards and two VIMs that I would have to carefully match up.

One of the things I don't always mention is what's involved in taking the boards to a higher bandwidth rating than what they were designed for. In doing that, some of the neck boards that I get in are not good candidates for that level of improvement. So I'll have to either go through each one and swap out components until I can make use of them. Sometimes I've had to replace a board or two. I've even had some boards come to me that were defective, and I'm sure it was known. But rather than bring up an issue, I put them on the bench for repairs. And this is where things become very time consuming. because it's one thing to repair a board, and it's a whole nother story when tweaking a defective board for higher bandwidth.

At times it's very frustrating. I've had three boards in that last month that required about 15 hours of my time to get right. And that's one of the reasons why we've suspended things until I can get some help. I hope to at least get the initial work done by someone else. I know i'll still need to repair some boards first.

So, with a blend set, I'll want to make sure I've carefully match the boards, or at least make sure that each board is well tested to make sure it will be up to the task.

I got this thing down now... no question the boards I've been doing for the past 3 months are top flight. And very well re-worked.

I'm at the Apex of High Performance... me bad..



Cant wait to see it.

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We will try & do you proud here in Dallas. I think I am 3-4 weeks away from install.

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