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post #1 of 240 Old 09-17-2007, 07:35 PM - Thread Starter
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First off I would like to thank you all for all of the great information over the past few months. This forum is truly a great resource and you guys are the greatest! Now to business....

I know the mods of choice on this forum seem to be MP mods. I ran cross this company named HiRez that also does mods. Can anyone tell me how they compare?

Also I have two Marquee 9500LC Ultras. One is from Christie Digital with a build out date of Nov 2000 and the other a rebadged Vidikron Vision One. The Vidikron does not have a date on it. The serial number on the Christie starts with a 33. The Vidikron has a 32. As I can't find the manufacture date on the Vidikron is it safe to assume the Christie is newer as the serial number starts with a 33?

final question: Looks like I am moving in the direction of not stacking projectors, but rather mod'ing one and selling the other. Did Vidikron do anything special to the projectors that would make me choose keeping it over the Chirstie? Other then the case? i also have had the Vidikron which was purchased new by me in about 2001. I know I only put about <500 hours use on the tubes (I spent 3 years in Okinawa Japan and the unit was in storage, I have since had it in a floor setup in my theater). Over the period it was in use (about 2 years) when not in use it was plugged in (in off mode).

The Christie had about 29,533 stby hours and CRT Usage hours of 3,876 on it. I replaced the tubes. Bought from CZeddie a couple years ago. The report from my projector tech was that it was a "very clean" machine.

Which would you keep? and why.

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Keep the vidokron since it was yours and you know it really only has 500 hours. Also if you know the tubes are new on the other swap them and sell the Christie to me ! ! lol I'd go with the MP mods I think High rezz has not really done much latley with CRT.But i would keep the other PJ just for a parts machine.

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I've got nothing against HiRez, but I've been trying to get some Marquee ceiling brackets from them for about 8 months now. I don't get return emails or calls, so either they don't have mounts or they are too busy to deal with me. Deal with Mike Parker on the mods, deal with someone you know and can trust.

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Did Vidikron do anything special to the projectors that would make me choose keeping it over the Chirstie? Other then the case?

Jim, my best advice to you is to stop talking about it and start doing it. Here is the original answer to your question above, from seven years ago when Tim and Chris Stephens both answered:

http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/s...threadid=65740



Oh yea, "JUST DO IT ALREADY!"


With that said....


HiRez makes a real nice LVPS mod but it's kind of expensive. See the review at the bottom of this page:
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazin...achapter60.htm

They do mod boards other than the VIM & VNB's also. Like the focus board, CLM, etc, etc. Here is the list:

http://www.hometheater1.com/modpage.htm

But while I would consider their general board mods... I would highly recommend Mike Parker's VIM and VNB mods over the Hi-Rez mods, which are now several years old in design. While Mike's mods are cutting edge, constantly evolving and his current stuff is pretty darn awesome right now.

MP Mods are the way to go, regardless of price. Get yourself some MP Mods, a suitable set of lens for a larger screen (GT-17 or HD10F's) and then pay someone to properly set up your projector with a couple of true high-def sources and then DON'T LOOK BACK!!!!


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Ask Phil Smith over at the C site about HiRez. It seems, he did not have good luck with them.

Go with Curt's comment: Deal with Mike Parker.

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Wallace, Hi-Rez has been a company in good standing for several years. I don't think one advertised incident (which they took care of) is enough to warrant avoiding them.

Btw, I would keep whichever projector has the fewest hours. Probably the Vidikron. And 500 hours on the tubes is "just broken in" and ripe for a professional calibration.

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Wallace I thought you had me confused with someone else. I had to think long and hard to remember that. It's hell getting old!

Yes I did have a problem that they eventually resolved. My main problem was the same as Curt's: I couldn't get them to answer my e-mail. And they were VERY slow to ship.

I bought a DC board for a G70 from them off of ebay. They didn't ship it until 3 weeks later. It didn't work (mistakes happen so I was ok with that) and they wouldn't respond to my e-mails (I was NOT ok with that). They finally contacted me (I think the thread on Curt's forum probably had something to do with that), told me to ship it back and they would refund my money in full, which they did. Over about a 2 month period I got maybe 2 e-mails total from them on a problem order. That's not good!

While I don't think they're dishonest, I strongly do NOT recommend them.

PS: Keep in mind that when you're dealing with custom products, mods and sellers, you're usually dealing with one guy working alone in his garage. For whatever reason, these people tend to be on the flaky side. So whoever you decide to go with, keep your expectations for service VERY low and you won't be disappointed.

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CZ...boy can't even remember back 7 years ago..great find. I have been on the fence about this mods vs stack vs blending hard core since I got back from Japan at the end of 2006. 2000 was when I got my Vidikron and I had forgotten that I posted about mods that far back. As they say at NIKE I should just "go for it".

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Oh yea...now that I am ready to get one of these beasts off the ground can anyone recommend where I can pick up a mount? The above post from Curt about HiRez not getting back to him about that has me spooked...

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I have a pulley mount that i will eventually use for my stack(if i can do the side bye side on my 12 foot screen ) , I was thinking of measuring up evrything and having my friend who does metal fab make a few more to sell , not sure how much it would be. what would people be willing to pay? The one i have up now is the best thing to have especially if you are a tweeker and are always bringing down your projector for repairs and mods . Here is what it looks like:



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having my friend who does metal fab

Boy, that is one talented dog!

This ceiling mount looks very much like my Barco CP-100 ceiling mount. It's a neat solution.
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Have the complete mod set from HI-Rez and was extremely happy with their on-time service and the mods. Their workmanship is superb, their fan mod is ultra-quiet and the colors are now spot-on. Would highly recommend them despite the comments of others here. They are the official repair site for Vidikron and several of the other projector companies.

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Bill, and your job title at Hi-Rez is?

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Have the complete mod set from HI-Rez and was extremely happy with their on-time service and the mods. Their workmanship is superb, their fan mod is ultra-quiet and the colors are now spot-on. Would highly recommend them despite the comments of others here. They are the official repair site for Vidikron and several of the other projector companies.

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Bill, were you there about two years ago on a Sunday when they were showing off their modded 9500 Ultra. About 20 of us were there. It snowed out that afternoon. I was the guy who complained about driving all the way there to look at a mis-converged projector. At the time I thought I was in the market for Marquee but after that Sunday I decided to keep my 4600HD. I still have my 4600HD and would not trade it for Marquee.

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Bill, and your job title at Hi-Rez is?

I believe Bill is the author of the article I listed above, and has done extensive online reviewing or magazine work. I don't remember for sure the details?

Here is the link again (see the last review at the bottom of the page)

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazin...achapter60.htm

Just because some of these companies no longer get the high volume sales or work from us end-users, and therefore don't devote 100% attention to us any longer, doesn't mean they aren't highly regarded by most. Now I wouldn't buy anything from them if I were in a hurry to get the items. But I would not hesitate to put some trust in them to get the job done.

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Oh yea...now that I am ready to get one of these beasts off the ground can anyone recommend where I can pick up a mount? The above post from Curt about HiRez not getting back to him about that has me spooked...

the last ceiling mount I installed with a customers machine came from Tim Martin at E-tech. give him a ring but be shure to ask whether he's stocking the 2" tall or 4" brackets at this time, i've gotten both kinds and prefer the low pro one for Colorado basements.
http://www.etechvideo.com/contact.htm

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Well I powered up the Vidikron tonight. Only have a total of 327 hours on the CRTs and 0 In standby! Yea! Although I have had it for about 7 years now, its still like new! only used from 2000 to 2002 sparingly for a movie about every other weekend or so, then it went into storage while the wife and I were in Japan from late 2002-2005. Has been sitting on the floor in my theater room collecting dust ever since we got back (I do have the other 9500 set up). I bought it new literally weeks before the old Vidikron went out of business. Although I was not told about it, I think it was part of a fire sale as I got it for much less then they used to ask for it.

Talked to Tim today. Likely will be sending off to him for the fan & power supply mod and either the V2 or micron mods from MP. He would also be doing a general check up as I had the unit in storage for 3 years.

I plan to save a complete fresh set of CRTs for backup/replacement in the I hope far, far future. I picked up 2 greens and 3 blue lens/crts and a red all new, no rebuilds from a auction a couple years back also..so I have plenty of spares. Likely I will sell the rest...so watch for them in the sales threads.
Likely will be selling the other 9500LC Ultra also but we will see, I considering keeping it as a parts machine/backup if needed.

I have a couple more questions.
1. Should I stick with the HDFusion or jump to a Moome HDMI card?
2. Also what VP are you guys using. I always liked Faroudja, but now may go for an HQV or Genium solution. Which is the best? for both 9inch CRT & D-ILA digital. Remember it will need to feed both the Vidikron and my RS-1 at the same time.

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Jim, go with the Moome HDMI card if you can find one! I'm sure the Fusion will work fine until you get the Moome though.
Faroudja is outdated and overpriced in today's world.

If you got those spare tubes from the Utah auction, then they are solid tubes but you will want to use the focus coils from your Vidikron if you ever swap the tubes out. The Utah tubes have older focus coils that do not offer as small a spot size as the newer Thompsons do.

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Likely will be selling the other 9500LC Ultra also but we will see, I considering keeping it as a parts machine/backup if needed.

there's absolutley no reason to stash away and entire 9500 just because you "might" need a module someday 10 years down the road. The 9500 shares all the same parts and power supplies as the 8500 so there's literally dozens of parts for sale on any given day. Also, if a module does develop a problem it's best to have it serviced by Curt or Tim and have all the relevant tech bullets performed at the same time to insure you have the most up to date card in the machine at that time.


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I have a couple more questions.
1. Should I stick with the HDFusion or jump to a Moome HDMI card?
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The new Moome HDMI card has no rival in todays market. The card is custom built with a Gamma curve specially designed for CRT displays. No matter which scaler you get or how much you spend nothing will look better than this $429. input device.

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Also what VP are you guys using. I always liked Faroudja, but now may go for an HQV or Genium solution. Which is the best? for both 9inch CRT & D-ILA digital. Remember it will need to feed both the Vidikron and my RS-1 at the same time.

Go with the lumagen. it has 11 pt gamma and color corection. most think it has the best scaling algorythms in the industry.

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You might want to auditon the Crystalio 2 by Pixel Magic

I had a VP50 and a Calibre HD - sold them both after I got my C2. I didn't even get the C2 for myself, I was going to resell it - but after getting curious and firing it up.. well, I was sold.

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No offense Jim, just plug the damn thing in and get a picture running. You seem to be equivalent to poring over aftermarket mods and tweaks to a Shelby Cobra when you could already be driving it, THEN worry about the mods that can all be done while the unit is on the ceiling.

I appreciate that you're reading and asking intelligent questions, trust me that's a lot better than diving in and turning every internal knob you can find, but sheesh, plug the damn thing in already!


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I have 2 Marquee ceiling mounts that are gathering dust in my closet. One is exactly like the black pulley mount that Athanasios posted an imge of earlier in this thread. The other is gray in color, and has a hand operated winch, used to move the projector up and down. If anyone is interested, PM me.

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The new Moome HDMI card has no rival in todays market. The card is custom built with a Gamma curve specially designed for CRT displays. No matter which scaler you get or how much you spend nothing will look better than this $429. input device.


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try it for yourself Gino, run an HD-DVD signal directly to the card and then the same signal through your favorite scaler and transcode it with whatever device you like. The moome card is going to be superior.

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Dragan, please don't be offended -I hold you in high esteem.
However, the best scalers that have HDMI inputs already do the digital conversion + transcoding (with the correct sampling space/depth) and output to analog RGBHV (this is the shortest video chain with regard to D/A processing).

Alot of people use this config: HDMI signal from source --> VP ---> Moome/HDFury -> Projector. I believe the D/A conversion that high end VPs use utilise a superior chip(set) than the Moome/HDFury. (I'm not poo-pooing the Moome or the HDFury, for their price they are brilliant and excel if you don't have a VP)

In my case, (with a HDMI source) I use a HDFury after my VP as it feeds my Barco's Port 3 (which I prefer). Strictly speaking, if I had a modded/better Port 5 would feed that the RGBHV output from my VP for the 'best image'

Bear in mind that the best scalers have excellent gamma control which is far superior to the Moome gamma control (which is LowIRE only) - EG, My Crystalio 2 has low IRE, high IRE, S-curve, custom master or custom on each R,G, or B. That's a lot more control than the Moome.

If you output HDMI from your source --> Moome (or HDFury) --> PJ you don't get any of the benefits of image processing. When talking about hi-end processing like VXP or HQV, this is the type of processing you definately want. Thes forms of processing makes SD very HD like and HD even better.

Furthermore, a really good VP will deinterlace much better than most sources do by themselves . VP Manufacturers always advise you to input an interlaced feed into your VP (1080i) which your VP will deinterlace into a progressive image that is much better than if pre-deinterlaced by the source.

If you don't have a good scaler though - the shortest video path with the least amount of processing is source --> moome/hdfury --> projector. Yes this can be a great image but have no illusions - a (high quality) VP will improve the PQ to another level.

As for HDCP stripping - any device which outputs an analog signal is stripping HDCP, even if the device is HDCP compliant. There is no provision for HDCP using an analog signal transport.

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However, the best scalers that have HDMI inputs already do the digital conversion + transcoding (with the correct sampling space/depth) and output to analog RGBHV (this is the shortest video chain with regard to D/A processing).

?? They will only output analog if the signal doesn't have HDCP, which pretty much all HDMI signals do...

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Alot of people use this config: HDMI signal from source --> VP ---> Moome/HDFury -> Projector. I believe the D/A conversion that high end VPs use utilise a superior chip(set) than the Moome/HDFury. (I'm not poo-pooing the Moome or the HDFury, for their price they are brilliant and excel if you don't have a VP)

In my case, (with a HDMI source) I use a HDFury after my VP as it feeds my Barco's Port 3 (which I prefer). Strictly speaking, if I had a modded/better Port 5 would feed that the RGBHV output from my VP for the 'best image'

Neither of these video chains make any sense...You're saying to put the Moome/HDFury *after* the VP, but then touting the advantage of the VP's D/A converter? Obviously the VP is outputting digital to the Moome/HDFury
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?? They will only output analog if the signal doesn't have HDCP, which pretty much all HDMI signals do...


Neither of these video chains make any sense...You're saying to put the Moome/HDFury *after* the VP, but then touting the advantage of the VP's D/A converter? Obviously the VP is outputting digital to the Moome/HDFury

When I was playing around with HDMI->C2->RGBHV->PJ there no sources were utlising ICT, so it worked. IIRC I was using my HTPC with a DVI Genie which is doing strange things. I was surprised myself, but I think the C2 ignores certain things that its meant to do.

Right now, I'm using my HDFury -> Port 3 of my 1209 as Port 3 of the 1209 is much better than Port 5 - (also, I don't have cable for RGBHV->port 3!!) This is a perculiarity of the Barco 1209 and if I was using any other PJ I would be following my own advice

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I think player to moome will provide the cleanest picture at 1080i, but the scaler should provide the better picture at 1080P due to superior de-interlacing, motion compensation, etc.

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I believe the D/A conversion that high end VPs use utilise a superior chip(set) than the Moome/HDFury. (I'm not poo-pooing the Moome or the HDFury, for their price they are brilliant and excel if you don't have a VP)

This is assuming that the D/A conversion is a difficult task. My understanding--which is admittedly very limited (to say the least)--is it's not.

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